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What's the most you would give up for Ben Simmons?

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blazerkor said:
People in here act like they have every piece of information that has gone into this broken relationship between Simmons and the team. We don't know how hard Doc has been on him in games and in practice. We can assume that he's had to hear a lot of offensive shit out of Embiid's mouth. We know one of if not his main issue is that he feels he's being misused. The fact is we just don't know how good or bad it's been for Simmons.

We know that neither Doc or Embiid were supporting him at the end of the season and that can't do anything but damage. We know that for the second straight off season the team was trying to move him but didn't like the offers they were getting. We know that Simmons no longer wants to be there.
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We know he accepted a mega-extension from the 6ers. If he was unhappy - legit or not - he could have hit the FA market and played for whatever team he wanted. His supposed grievances must not have been that important to him.
 
blazerkor said:
People in here act like they have every piece of information that has gone into this broken relationship between Simmons and the team. We don't know how hard Doc has been on him in games and in practice. We can assume that he's had to hear a lot of offensive shit out of Embiid's mouth. We know one of if not his main issue is that he feels he's being misused. The fact is we just don't know how good or bad it's been for Simmons.

We know that neither Doc or Embiid were supporting him at the end of the season and that can't do anything but damage. We know that for the second straight off season the team was trying to move him but didn't like the offers they were getting. We know that Simmons no longer wants to be there.
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please don’t take this the wrong way, and anyone who “liked” this, to each their own, but this makes me cringe. This goes against everything I ever learned in competitive sports. Doc might be hard on him? Joel didn’t support him enough? What is this, a grade school beauty pageant? Docs been coaching forever. I’ve never heard about him being hard on a player and if he was too fucking bad this is professional basketball. This whole thing makes Simmons look like a gigantic baby. It’s legit embarrassing.
 
calvin natt said:
please don’t take this the wrong way, and anyone who “liked” this, to each their own, but this makes me cringe. This goes against everything I ever learned in competitive sports. Doc might be hard on him? Joel didn’t support him enough? What is this, a grade school beauty pageant? Docs been coaching forever. I’ve never heard about him being hard on a player and if he was too fucking bad this is professional basketball. This whole thing makes Simmons look like a gigantic baby. It’s legit embarrassing.
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it is embarrassing. The 76ers did nothing to be shat on like this by him. They haven’t traded him yet? So what? Doc said “I don’t know how to answer that” when asked if Simmons can play PG on a championship team? So what? Neither justifies his behavior. Guy is literally crying about being on a team that’s actually too good because it hurt his development. Like what? He’d rather be the main man on a shitty team than actually win. How is that not a huge red flag? Selfish ingrate child.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
We know he accepted a mega-extension from the 6ers. If he was unhappy - legit or not - he could have hit the FA market and played for whatever team he wanted. His supposed grievances must not have been that important to him.
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He signed that before Doc was the coach... that's really all that needs to be said. People in here are making huge assumptions. He could be a prima donna, I don't know but he just as easily could have legitimate complaints and just wants out and is being advised to play hardball. Just because he's doing that in this situation doesn't mean he ever will again... he hung with that franchise for five years, so it's not a pattern of behavior.
 
calvin natt said:
please don’t take this the wrong way, and anyone who “liked” this, to each their own, but this makes me cringe. This goes against everything I ever learned in competitive sports. Doc might be hard on him? Joel didn’t support him enough? What is this, a grade school beauty pageant? Docs been coaching forever. I’ve never heard about him being hard on a player and if he was too fucking bad this is professional basketball. This whole thing makes Simmons look like a gigantic baby. It’s legit embarrassing.
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I am so torn on this, I hate prima Donna’s and he sure comes across like one. That said talent wins and right now we are stuck in middle of the pack with no sign of making a jump. I’d probably still take chance and just pray that Dame and Billups can help this guy realize he’s pissing his career away.

simmons instantly does two things makes us better defensively but also makes incredible difference with passing and creating open looks for teammates. He has Jason Kidd and Nash affect in they make the game easier for their teammates and guys end up having career offensive years when they play with guys like him.
 
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calvin natt said:
please don’t take this the wrong way, and anyone who “liked” this, to each their own, but this makes me cringe. This goes against everything I ever learned in competitive sports. Doc might be hard on him? Joel didn’t support him enough? What is this, a grade school beauty pageant? Docs been coaching forever. I’ve never heard about him being hard on a player and if he was too fucking bad this is professional basketball. This whole thing makes Simmons look like a gigantic baby. It’s legit embarrassing.
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Doc has been known to be a difficult coach and this isn't grade school, Simmons is a grown man and if he's being singled out and not supported, he can demand a trade and if he wants to lose the money he can hold out. This is all his prerogative. Everything you know about sports is amateur and this is professional so it gets a little less team spirit and a little more business sometimes. If you're on the side of the league and the owners that they get to trade guys when they want but the players should have no control, then that's where our disagreement is. I think players should have and do have the tools to handle situations like this. Simmons could be handling this differently but he has one of the highest powered agents in the game advising him.

Just go ahead and keep passing absolute judgment on a person with very little information about his situation. That's always a really great way to develop an opinion.
 
blazerkor said:
Doc has been known to be a difficult coach and this isn't grade school, Simmons is a grown man and if he's being singled out and not supported, he can demand a trade and if he wants to lose the money he can hold out. This is all his prerogative. Everything you know about sports is amateur and this is professional so it gets a little less team spirit and a little more business sometimes. If you're on the side of the league and the owners that they get to trade guys when they want but the players should have no control, then that's where our disagreement is. I think players should have and do have the tools to handle situations like this. Simmons could be handling this differently but he has one of the highest powered agents in the game advising him.

Just go ahead and keep passing absolute judgment on a person with very little information about his situation. That's always a really great way to develop an opinion.
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No offense, but part of the problem with your POV is that you see this strictly in terms of player v management. You're forgetting who is always the big loser in these disputes: the fans.

In my book, Morey, Paul, and Simmons are all dirtbags and I am rooting for an outcome where they all wind up gargling raw sewage.
 
blazerkor said:
Doc has been known to be a difficult coach and this isn't grade school, Simmons is a grown man and if he's being singled out and not supported, he can demand a trade and if he wants to lose the money he can hold out. This is all his prerogative. Everything you know about sports is amateur and this is professional so it gets a little less team spirit and a little more business sometimes. If you're on the side of the league and the owners that they get to trade guys when they want but the players should have no control, then that's where our disagreement is. I think players should have and do have the tools to handle situations like this. Simmons could be handling this differently but he has one of the highest powered agents in the game advising him.

Just go ahead and keep passing absolute judgment on a person with very little information about his situation. That's always a really great way to develop an opinion.
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This is all so backwards I don’t know where to start. “This ain’t amateur it’s professional” - Yes. And he’s being a pro? Just fwiw I’ve worked in both college and pro basketball so no, my experience isn’t all amateur. There’s nothing wrong with that either but I tried to be respectful and you keep getting a little testy so carry on.
 
THE HCP said:
So let me get this straight. The Wizards are “good” and the Lakers “suck”. Ok…..
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You heard me correctly. The Westbrook trade was good for them. Dinwiddie/Beal is MUCH better than Westbrook/Beal. They also added KCP and Montrezl Harrell. Lots of other good young players ready to develop. Will see if Kuzma gives them anything. Wizards roster is MUCH better constructed than the Lakers.
 
tlongII said:
Kawhi was already a champion and a Finals MVP. Simmons ain’t Kawhi.
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The 2014 Spurs team was a "TEAM" team. Kawhi didn't carry that Spurs team. He won MVP because someone had to. He destroyed the Spurs locker room in 2017-18. Then he went to Raptors and carried them to a title. Simmons is not Kawhi but he can do things Kawhi can't and he is a much better player than anyone on our roster other than Dame. Make the deal.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
If he did it to one team, he will do it to the next team. If he blames everybody else for his problems then he won't suddenly start being responsible. This was his (last?) chance to prove he is an honest man. Either quit and give up the money, or put in an honest effort to earn it. He is just a spoiled, entitled little shit who want it both ways, doesn't care about anybody else, and apparently has zero conscience.
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Ummmm they have been openly shopping him for a year. So he's just saying "get on with it." I don't hold that against him. Why give any effort for a team that doesn't want to?
 
tlongII said:
KSF-Eric compared them.
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In my initial post, I wasn't comparing THEM. I was comparing people's feelings about them. People thought Kawhi was a head case and a lockerroom problem in 2018 just like they do now with Simmons. The only way to get a superstar traded to Portland is to pick up a flawed player when his value is low enough to obtain. That's what we have in Simmons right now.
 
Scalma said:
it is embarrassing. The 76ers did nothing to be shat on like this by him. They haven’t traded him yet? So what? Doc said “I don’t know how to answer that” when asked if Simmons can play PG on a championship team? So what? Neither justifies his behavior. Guy is literally crying about being on a team that’s actually too good because it hurt his development. Like what? He’d rather be the main man on a shitty team than actually win. How is that not a huge red flag? Selfish ingrate child.
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Yes, they did. They've openly shopped him for an entire year. They've left him in utter limbo for far too long.
 
Scalma said:
it is embarrassing. The 76ers did nothing to be shat on like this by him. They haven’t traded him yet? So what? Doc said “I don’t know how to answer that” when asked if Simmons can play PG on a championship team? So what? Neither justifies his behavior. Guy is literally crying about being on a team that’s actually too good because it hurt his development. Like what? He’d rather be the main man on a shitty team than actually win. How is that not a huge red flag? Selfish ingrate child.
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Simmons hasn't done anything to be called a selfish ingrate child. That's ridiculous.
 
blazerkor said:
He signed that before Doc was the coach... that's really all that needs to be said. People in here are making huge assumptions. He could be a prima donna, I don't know but he just as easily could have legitimate complaints and just wants out and is being advised to play hardball. Just because he's doing that in this situation doesn't mean he ever will again... he hung with that franchise for five years, so it's not a pattern of behavior.
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Which is WHY I BROUGHT UP KAWHI. Kawhi was just like this. He was holding out on his team all season long even though they had a roster to contend and his teammates were begging him to play through an injury they themselves had had. People were VERY critical of Kawhi back then.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I am so torn on this, I hate prima Donna’s and he sure comes across like one. That said talent wins and right now we are stuck in middle of the pack with no sign of making a jump. I’d probably still take chance and just pray that Dame and Billups can help this guy realize he’s pissing his career away.

simmons instantly does two things makes us better defensively but also makes incredible difference with passing and creating open looks for teammates. He has Jason Kidd and Nash affect in they make the game easier for their teammates and guys end up having career offensive years when they play with guys like him. Just sucks he’s such a douche bag,
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Simmons hasn't pissed his career away. He led his team to the East's best record last season and he hasn't even missed a game yet this season.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I am so torn on this, I hate prima Donna’s and he sure comes across like one. That said talent wins and right now we are stuck in middle of the pack with no sign of making a jump. I’d probably still take chance and just pray that Dame and Billups can help this guy realize he’s pissing his career away.

simmons instantly does two things makes us better defensively but also makes incredible difference with passing and creating open looks for teammates. He has Jason Kidd and Nash affect in they make the game easier for their teammates and guys end up having career offensive years when they play with guys like him. Just sucks he’s such a douche bag,
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So is it okay to call Kawhi a douche bag too? He behaved worse back in 2018. Good thing we didn't trade for him, right?
 
Got it. Call a man you don't know a "selfish ingrate child" and now call me dumb. I know how you operate now. Thanks.
 
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I don't think Morey will relent on getting a lot for Simmons. Blowing a Simmons trade (which means trading him for pennies on the dollar) means becoming irrelevant. Morey, I believe, would prefer to be fired than do a deal that he believes takes his team out of contention. And I sincerely doubt Morey is on the hot seat or will be soon.

I don't think Simmons will relent on his "hold in" any time soon, but I think eventually it'll become untenable financially.

I'd be really happy to get Simmons on the Blazers without having to give up Lillard (and I wouldn't deal Lillard for Simmons, obviously). I personally don't think Simmons is a bad guy, I think he's someone who feels that, at his toughest professional moment, was turned on by his franchise--instead of standing with him against irate fans, they basically fed the flames of fan hatred. I don't blame him for wanting nothing to do with the franchise after that, and I don't think that's unprofessional or childish. I think that's how relationships work--betray someone and they drop you.
 
Scalma said:
You know nothing about Kawhi.
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I know what we learned through the media from his teammates. And I didn't call him a douche bag. I was asking if Kawhi should be called a douche bag since he was acting similar to Simmons.
 
sheed30 said:
I agree, no doubt what Simmons is doing now is squarely on him, and he is acting like a spoilt baby.

But what I meant more so was, the Sixers let it get to this point, it didn’t need too so I think they deserve more blame. If I was Ben right now today, I would show up, be a pro and increase my trade value so he could get traded quicker.

But it didn’t need to get to this is my main point, the Sixers had their chance to trade him this off-season. The Sixers are where they are at today because they didn’t trade him this summer when they have every chance too. And its put the organization and Simmons in a even more awkward spot than it already was.
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Why would Simmons want the 6ers to get more value in a trade and his new team lose assets to win?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I know what we learned through the media from his teammates. And I didn't call him a douche bag. I was asking if Kawhi should be called a douche bag since he was acting similar to Simmons.
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But he really wasn’t, outside of asking for a trade. Everything was kept private. He didn’t openly disrespect his teammates (if anything his teammates, specifically Parker, disrespected him) he didn’t disrespect his coach, he didn’t get kicked out of practice. Oh, and he’s a top 5 player. We can pretend like everyone gets treated the same, but they don’t. He could get away with a lot more than Simmons if he wanted to.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Why would Simmons want the 6ers to get more value in a trade and his new team lose assets to win?
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It’s professional sports, he signed a contract, Simmons only cares about getting out at all cost right now. if the Sixers are going to insist on holding on to him for a better trade, he is better off playing and playing well so he gets out of there faster
 
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