Bernie Sanders: Donald Trump Won Because People Are Tired of Political Correctness

[SlyPokerDog]

Sen. Bernie Sanders understands something that mainstream liberals do not: Donald Trump won the presidency in part because he channeled populist resentment toward political correctness into a winning issue.

During a fascinating and free-wheeling town hall-style event on Chris Hayes' show on MSNBC Monday night, Sanders was explicit: Trump's criticisms of political correctness spoke to the American people's legitimate fury toward a political class and media regime that is overly-scripted and beholden to the powerful.

"[Trump] said he will not be politically correct," said Sanders. "I think he said some outrageous and painful things, but I think people are tired of the same old politically correct rhetoric. I think some people believe he was speaking from his heart and willing to take on everybody."

http://reason.com/blog/2016/12/13/bernie-sanders-donald-trump-won-because

 

[riverman]

There's a great segment on Bill Maher's show with a panel talking about Hillary losing...his guest is a comedian going by the name Redneck Liberal...he really made some clear points about how Hillary's deplorables statement made rednecks from his home state come out in droves and vote just out of anger at her even though 10 years ago....they wouldn't have even bothered to vote...he shut up a couple of Hillary's campaign managers on the panel in quick fashion...they had no answer for him. He said no way Southern rednecks would vote for a New York real estate tycoon until they felt insulted by her. Slam dunk for Trump

 

[Sedatedfork]

There's a great segment on Bill Maher's show with a panel talking about Hillary losing...his guest is a comedian going by the name Redneck Liberal...he really made some clear points about how Hillary's deplorables statement made rednecks from his home state come out in droves and vote just out of anger at her even though 10 years ago....they wouldn't have even bothered to vote...he shut up a couple of Hillary's campaign managers on the panel in quick fashion...they had no answer for him. He said no way Southern rednecks would vote for a New York real estate tycoon until they felt insulted by her. Slam dunk for Trump

Interesting. That certainly was a problem for her. I also think the overconfidence of the Dems along with the Comey stuff probably had a large impact too. But, the election's over. She lost. It doesn't really matter why she lost (except I do think that the cybersecurity stuff does need to be looked at).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There's a great segment on Bill Maher's show with a panel talking about Hillary losing...his guest is a comedian going by the name Redneck Liberal...he really made some clear points about how Hillary's deplorables statement made rednecks from his home state come out in droves and vote just out of anger at her even though 10 years ago....they wouldn't have even bothered to vote...he shut up a couple of Hillary's campaign managers on the panel in quick fashion...they had no answer for him. He said no way Southern rednecks would vote for a New York real estate tycoon until they felt insulted by her. Slam dunk for Trump

That may be true, but the Southern Redneck vote wasn't what won Trump the election. Republicans always carry the states in which the preponderance of Southern Rednecks can be located. He (unexpectedly) Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan--states no republican had won since 1988. Those are the wins that put him over the top. There's a reason that those three states were the ones targeted for recounts; because conventional wisdom that he wasn't supposed to be able win them.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Those three states have an shitload of hicks. They came out to vote.

 

[riverman]

Trump enticed a lot of northern urban votes with his tax cut for big business...I think that was bigger than most factors in the former blue states..

 

[Rastapopoulos]

There's a great segment on Bill Maher's show with a panel talking about Hillary losing...his guest is a comedian going by the name Redneck Liberal...he really made some clear points about how Hillary's deplorables statement made rednecks from his home state come out in droves and vote just out of anger at her even though 10 years ago....they wouldn't have even bothered to vote...he shut up a couple of Hillary's campaign managers on the panel in quick fashion...they had no answer for him. He said no way Southern rednecks would vote for a New York real estate tycoon until they felt insulted by her. Slam dunk for Trump

I call bullshit on that.
1. Who the fuck gets upset about being called "deplorable"?
2. Of course it had NOTHING to do with the fact that she's a female candidate, oh no. It's because she called them "deplorable."
3. Makes a change from the "economic" narrative, I guess. So who's the butthurt ones?

(Of course, I'm not even going to bother pointing out that the full quote was that SOME of Trump's supporters, specifically the RACIST ones, were "deplorable." So if you think she's calling you deplorable, you've already self-identified as racist. So you're saying "sure I'm racist, but how DARE you call me deplorable!?")

 

[Rastapopoulos]

What does "political correctness" mean when BERNIE says it? When the deplorables say it it means "not racist", but I'm assuming that's not what he means.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I call bullshit on that.
1. Who the fuck gets upset about being called "deplorable"?
2. Of course it had NOTHING to do with the fact that she's a female candidate, oh no. It's because she called them "deplorable."
3. Makes a change from the "economic" narrative, I guess. So who's the butthurt ones?

(Of course, I'm not even going to bother pointing out that the full quote was that SOME of Trump's supporters, specifically the RACIST ones, were "deplorable." So if you think she's calling you deplorable, you've already self-identified as racist. So you're saying "sure I'm racist, but how DARE you call me deplorable!?")

Do you enjoy being called deplorable?

What makes you think it's because she's a female?

 

[riverman]

I call bullshit on that.

tell it to them dude....I didn't write the script...although he has a point that few folks talk about...I guessing you didn't watch the show

 

[riverman]

What does "political correctness" mean when BERNIE says it? When the deplorables say it it means "not racist", but I'm assuming that's not what he means.

In the show the woman representing Hillary mentioned this and the Redneck comic answered her...."I agree with you one hundred percent but do you want to be right or do you want to fucking win?"

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Those three states have an shitload of hicks. They came out to vote.

True dat. It's sort of a joke that large swathes of Michigan are "Michitucky". It wasn't just poor black people who got sucked up into Michigan by the Auto Industry. And was it James Carville who said of Pennsylvania that it was basically Pittsburgh, Philly and then Appalachia.

Wisconsin is kind of tragic. That state is the blueprint for a Republican hit job. It used to be pretty much Minnesota, but it's turning rapidly into Indiana. (Milwaukee, I believe, is still the only US city of any size ever to have a Socialist mayor.)

A couple of days before the election I was driving around the Michigan countryside, enjoying the fall colors, still believing in the inevitability of a Hillary victory. But I couldn't help but notice that the ONLY yard signs I was seeing were Trump ones. Not that there were huge numbers of them, just that they were the ONLY ones.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

In the show the woman representing Hillary mentioned this and the Redneck comic answered her...."I agree with you one hundred percent but do you want to be right or do you want to fucking win?"

That still doesn't tell me what Bernie means.

And is this redneck guy saying "hey Democrats, cater to a minority of racist white guys by throwing POC, women and gays under the bus" Then you can win and show your true colors, the way Trump is doing now? I think that's a pretty risky strategy. Basically betray YOUR base in the hope of chipping away at THEIRS.

Trump really won by a strategy of depressing the Democratic vote. Part of that was the populism message (but JESUS you have to be stupid to buy that coming from him. I mean "shouldn't be allowed to drive" stupid) but most of it was the fake news and the phony scandals. Nate Silver's latest line is that Comey alone was probably enough to swing the election.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

An interesting (i.e., horribly toxic) result of this whole thing is that a wedge has been driven between poor whites and educated whites (who overwhelmingly reject Trump, natch) For example, I'm seeing a lot of the latter saying "well, you poor whites are about to lose your health insurance, and birth control, and safe abortions, and basically FUCK YOU, I no longer care, you brought this upon yourself."

Things are going to get a lot uglier before any healing is going to start. And in the interim, Trump and the plutocrats are going to have free rein to plunder.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

"I think he said some outrageous and painful things, but I think people are tired of the same old politically correct rhetoric. I think some people believe he was speaking from his heart and willing to take on everybody."

Okay, now Bernie has officially joined the shitlist. I was for him over Clinton, but only because he was a feel good story. If I gave it 2 seconds of thought, I knew that he would make a pretty shitty president. (Besides which, the oppo research on him that the Trump people could use was pretty devastating. People say Bernie should've used Clinton's emails and "went easy" on her. Oh yeah? Well Clinton never brought up that whole "Bernie wrote a story where a woman was raped and liked it" angle, did she? And of course, that's just the TRUE stuff, which of course Trump wouldn't've been limited to.)

But this is dangerous horseshit. I'm prepared to give him some benefit of the doubt over choice of words, and yes, people are "tired of the same political climate" (and elect Trump, which is like being tired of mosquitoes so jumping in a pool of acid) blah blah. But "painful things" makes it sound a lot like "painful truths" - things people need to hear. But people don't need to hear that all Muslims should be banned from the US, temporarily or not, or that illegal immigrants are murderers and rapists, when they're more law abiding than the general population (yes, yes, apart from the immigration law, obviously). Bernie's pretty close to being a willing stooge here.

"Some people believe" Yeah, the same people that believe in Pizzagate. Y'know: stupid fuckwits.

 

[magnifier661]

Now Michigan is a bunch of rednecks. SAD

 

[riverman]

That still doesn't tell me what Bernie means.

And is this redneck guy saying "hey Democrats, cater to a minority of racist white guys by throwing POC, women and gays under the bus" Then you can win and show your true colors, the way Trump is doing now? I think that's a pretty risky strategy. Basically betray YOUR base in the hope of chipping away at THEIRS.

Trump really won by a strategy of depressing the Democratic vote. Part of that was the populism message (but JESUS you have to be stupid to buy that coming from him. I mean "shouldn't be allowed to drive" stupid) but most of it was the fake news and the phony scandals. Nate Silver's latest line is that Comey alone was probably enough to swing the election.

watch the segment Rasta....he's not who you think...he's truly a liberal that one of his points is...so are many of them...and you go on calling them racists...these are not the rednecks he's talking about but I think you've got a slightly stereotypical view of rural culture..he's a bright guy..just used common sense to debunk some media spin that he felt ignored a lot of people outside the "cool" urbanites

 

[riverman]

Now Michigan is a bunch of rednecks. SAD

and it's all YOUR fault!!!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Okay, that's more like it Bernie:

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/wat...-for-the-wrong-person-in-less-than-2-minutes/

 

[riverman]

Things are going to get a lot uglier before any healing is going to start

I'm not buying into negative affirmations...I think this election will end up solving things that have nothing to do with Trump or his cabinet choices. Wake up call for the intellectual community and those of ways and means who've been in a Starbucks coma for a long time

 

[Rastapopoulos]

watch the segment Rasta....he's not who you think...he's truly a liberal that one of his points is...so are many of them...and you go on calling them racists...these are not the rednecks he's talking about but I think you've got a slightly stereotypical view of rural culture..he's a bright guy..just used common sense to debunk some media spin that he felt ignored a lot of people outside the "cool" urbanites

I know who he is, I've seen some of his video. I'm not calling HIM a racist.

"Cool urbanites." See, I fucking lived in Arkansas for 3 years. I know Arkansans. I have a good friend who lives in a place that is not part of a place called Hattieville, they regard them as city slickers. And he and his wife are in their 60s and have lived there pretty much their whole lives, except when he was in Vietnam. And he would call Trump voters racist fuckwits. If he was a lot less polite than he is.

 

[riverman]

I grew up in rural Iowa...John Deere tractor caps, chewing tobacco, farmers....we didn't talk about politics or religion...they talk about the weather and animal husbandry...I relate to his point...I was never a racist although they exist there, they are actually independent minded folk for the most part..

 

[VanillaGorilla]

SlyPokerDog needs to shut the hell up. He is ridiculous.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Now Michigan is a bunch of rednecks. SAD

Dude, you (and a couple others) having acquired an absolute addiction to the pejorative "butt hurt" for all those who disagree with you (and for whom you disagree with) is what is TRULY sad (though it's always easier to insult than debate). But nice try at a higher moral ground that doesn't even exist. FAIL! Wading through this forum makes me really wonder who the "elitists" really are.........

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I grew up in rural Iowa...John Deere tractor caps, chewing tobacco, farmers....we didn't talk about politics or religion...they talk about the weather and animal husbandry...I relate to his point...I was never a racist although they exist there, they are actually independent minded folk for the most part..

So then they wouldn't've voted for an autocrat.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Is this politically correct? I can't tell, as I think the term is meaningless:

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Oh and this one just REEKS of elitism:

 

[riverman]

So then they wouldn't've voted for an autocrat.

They wouldn't tell you if they did or didn't....my point.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The thing that pisses me off about this whole narrative is that we're being told that it's the fault of the coastal elites that we didn't consider the sensitive feelings of working class white men, and we're asked to forget that the guy they voted for is enthusiastically supported by LITERAL NEO-NAZIS (whom he, in turn, repeatedly re-tweeted), and HIRED one as his campaign manager, and intentionally used the language of the Ku Klux Klan, while mocking disabled people, gloated about repeated sexual assault, called for a religion-based purge, got his baying followers to chant "build the wall" et. al., and after he got elected, fucking kids in school started mocking their brown classmates "because Trump". And all we hear is "you're twisting his words! He's not racist! How dare you!" "Keep calling us racist and see what happens!" Somehow calling other people racist is now supposed to be worse than actually being it. (Except, of course they're not. They just enthusiastically endorse racist policies.)

The #1 predictive factor for being a Trump supporter was being authoritarian. We are heading into dark times. And the people gloating are like a water polo team who won by shitting in the pool and are laughing at the other team for being disgusted, while they continue to swim in a pool full of shit.

But that's just one man's opinion. No doubt given the amazing influence of elitists like me I just created 3 more Trump voters, they're so outraged at my dismissive and insulting ways.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

They wouldn't tell you if they did or didn't....my point.

My ex-Vietnam buddy used to tell us about the quaint small towns that were between the town we lived (Morillton) and the town we worked in (Conway). One of those small towns was the "black" town. The other one was the "white" town. In the white town there lived a guy who EVERYBODY KNEW had beaten a black man to death. But he was the sheriff, so there was nothing anybody could do. Oh, and in our town there was a public pool that now EVERYBODY could use. Because they de-segregated it! In the 1970s.

I don't miss Arkansas.