bernie sanders

[julius]

So the argument is that they are driven out of their homes by rising property taxes? Most home owners want the value of their home to rise. And anyway, the rise and fall of real estate values have nothing to do with race. Some black people seem to have this idea that white people conspire to improve an area to drive out black people. It's so absurd.

And as another poster mentioned, the prior generation of civil rights activists wanted to end segregation, and now this generation seems to be complaining about integration. It's like they are afraid the ghetto is going away. We should all hope that ghettos go away and everyones communities improve. But unfortunatly, there will probably always be ghettos here. The same thing works in reverse, where communties age, and the poor move in and the wealthy move out. It's no conspiracy, it's just the way things roll. For people to get up and scream about it is just ridiculous.

If you live in a neighborhood where the majority of the people are in 150K houses, but people come in and buy out the neighbors, or buy you out (and gentrify your house), you are being priced out of that neighborhood.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Gentrification just doesn't happened to black neighborhoods.

Go drive down SE Division from SE 12th to 39th. Drive into the side streets. You have well established neighborhoods, some middle class, some lower class. The city changed the zoning so apartments and condos could be built, up to 30 unit buildings with zero parking because the city believes that these new residents don't own cars, they either commute by bus or bike. But the fact is they don't, they park in the side streets. Neighborhoods are inundated with cars and traffic. Then the city started the stupid bioswale project and eliminated even more street parking. Nice working class neighborhoods have been drastically changed. Sure, like you say, their value went up, they should be happy. But a lot of people live in those neighborhood are retired, home paid for. Their property taxes have shot up. They're neighborhood is much more crowded, with people, cars, traffic.

Packing more people into the inner city isn't always a great thing.

That is right where I grew up.

 

[barfo]

Gentrification just doesn't happened to black neighborhoods.

Go drive down SE Division from SE 12th to 39th. Drive into the side streets. You have well established neighborhoods, some middle class, some lower class. The city changed the zoning so apartments and condos could be built, up to 30 unit buildings with zero parking because the city believes that these new residents don't own cars, they either commute by bus or bike. But the fact is they don't, they park in the side streets. Neighborhoods are inundated with cars and traffic. Then the city started the stupid bioswale project and eliminated even more street parking. Nice working class neighborhoods have been drastically changed. Sure, like you say, their value went up, they should be happy. But a lot of people live in those neighborhood are retired, home paid for. Their property taxes have shot up. They're neighborhood is much more crowded, with people, cars, traffic.

Packing more people into the inner city isn't always a great thing.

What's the alternative? More suburbs? That isn't a great thing either.

What we need is the neutron bomb. Damn that Jimmy Carter!

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What's the alternative? More suburbs? That isn't a great thing either.

What we need is the neutron bomb. Damn that Jimmy Carter!

barfo

How about having the developer include parking with his apartment/condo? Might not be able to get 30 units in the same amount of space but it wouldn't have the same spillover into the neighborhoods.

 

[XuLouDon]

When gentrification happens, the people who are pushed out aren't home owners. They're renters. Their rent goes from affordable to unaffordable and they're forced away.

"Poor people reserves" already exist. They get compounded because of gentrification. Gentrification doesn't come to the ghetto as a first step. It goes to working class/lower income neighborhoods and forces a percentage of the people that live there down a rung so that they're corralled back into ghetto's and hoods. When enough development is built they usually buyout/bulldoze those too, which scatters people to another already over populated ghetto/hood.

...Anyway, I feel like Bernie is a Ron Paul for the left. He's old and has run out of fucks to give about trying to be what people expect from a politician and so people love him. Like Paul, he probably doesn't have a snowballs chance, but the people that love him really love him.

 

[kingslayer]

22,000 (plus at least 1k outside) showed up for Bernie's rally at Moda Center tonight, by far his biggest crowd thus far.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

This. Except Sanders is really old and nuts.

It's cool, so was Reagan.

 

[barfo]

22,000 (plus at least 1k outside) showed up for Bernie's rally at Moda Center tonight, by far his biggest crowd thus far.

The Decemberists must have been there.

barfo

 

[julius]

The Decemberists must have been there.

barfo

Hahah! I remember how people actually thought that was the case.

 

[santeesioux]

It's cool, so was Reagan.

That's true, did you see him in the new Wet Hot American Summer show on Netflix? Fucking crazy, fams.

 

[MickZagger]

Off topic, but how does having nice houses in your neighborhood hurt you? If it drives up the cost of your home, isn't that a good thing? I would much rather have nice development around my home than have a ghetto. I don't get the "gentrification" argument at all. I heard one group protesting a trader joes. Somehow that was "gentrification". Do you want to live in a place with jobs and nice buildings or a ghetto? We have no shortage of ghettos in this country.

You'd think it only matters if you're renting. If you own it just drives up the value of your house. Sounds like a nice investment.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You'd think it only matters if you're renting. If you own it just drives up the value of your house. Sounds like a nice investment.

Indeed. We bought a house around 40th and Salmon in late 2005 at the height of the bubble, but when we sold in 2013, we still made 80k profit, and the most work we did was replace the water heaters when we bought, and paint the walls when we left. That profit was 100% neighborhood reputation.

 

[MickZagger]

Gentrification just doesn't happened to black neighborhoods.

Go drive down SE Division from SE 12th to 39th. Drive into the side streets. You have well established neighborhoods, some middle class, some lower class. The city changed the zoning so apartments and condos could be built, up to 30 unit buildings with zero parking because the city believes that these new residents don't own cars, they either commute by bus or bike. But the fact is they don't, they park in the side streets. Neighborhoods are inundated with cars and traffic. Then the city started the stupid bioswale project and eliminated even more street parking. Nice working class neighborhoods have been drastically changed. Sure, like you say, their value went up, they should be happy. But a lot of people live in those neighborhood are retired, home paid for. Their property taxes have shot up. They're neighborhood is much more crowded, with people, cars, traffic.

Packing more people into the inner city isn't always a great thing.

Where are the lower class areas between 12th and 39th on Division? Maybe an older apartment building with some stoner kids scrounging up money for rent. Right next to it is the old Victorian with the new family that drives a Eurovan, does hot yoga and has a Labra-Doodle.

 

[MickZagger]

Indeed. We bought a house around 40th and Salmon in late 2005 at the height of the bubble, but when we sold in 2013, we still made 80k profit, and the most work we did was replace the water heaters when we bought, and paint the walls when we left. That profit was 100% neighborhood reputation.

That's a great investment. New school hippies would kill to live in that area. Salmon is a major bicycle thoroughfare.

 

[Eastoff]

We were just at the rally.

 

[MickZagger]

I'm actually a big Sanders fan. I streamed most of the rally on Youtube.

I just don't think he has the funding it takes to compete.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

That's a great investment. New school hippies would kill to live in that area. Salmon is a major bicycle thoroughfare.

You're telling me. Naked bike ride through there every night, and officially once a year!

Of course, one of the gay white Maoists in the neighborhood stole our cat and called the Humane Society on us because he thought we were abusive owners. So it's not all great.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

28,000 showed up to the rally at the Moda tonight.

 

[Sinobas]

You'd think it only matters if you're renting. If you own it just drives up the value of your house. Sounds like a nice investment.

Yes, it's good if you own, but bad if you rent. The price of housing will go up in high demand areas, and if you're not getting cost of living raises at your work, you might get priced out of your rental. But that has to do with economics, and it ties back into Bernie Sander's platform, of getting higher wages/benefits for the working class. They bitched about "gentrification" believing it was a racial issue.

 

[Denny Crane]

It's cool, so was Reagan.

Reagan was 4 years younger when elected. Call it 5

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Sanders has real followers. It's kinda exciting in a sense. People actually give a fuck. Weird.

And im totally convinced that the blm "protesters" at his rallys are plants, there really is no other rational explanation.

 

[MickZagger]

Yes, it's good if you own, but bad if you rent. The price of housing will go up in high demand areas, and if you're not getting cost of living raises at your work, you might get priced out of your rental. But that has to do with economics, and it ties back into Bernie Sander's platform, of getting higher wages/benefits for the working class. They bitched about "gentrification" believing it was a racial issue.

Doesn't everyone get the COLA raises? I thought it was law.

I don't think gentrification is a racial issue at all. My generation is graduating college and wanting to raise their family in the city instead of the suburbs. I live in a up and coming area that used to be one of the real trouble areas in Portland. I don't see any racial hostility. Go up to the Safeway right up the street and I feel like a minority still. For as many blacks that moved out to Gresham and outer SE, there's still plenty in North/Northeast Portland.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Reagan was 4 years younger when elected. Call it 5

So second-term Reagan? Which term was your favorite?

 

[Natebishop3]

I think the bureau of land management should leave Bernie alone!


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[Denny Crane]

So second-term Reagan? Which term was your favorite?

First.

In the carter years, my parents frequently told me to enjoy life while I could, that things were getting worse and worse and there wasn't much hope for change for the better anywhere in sight. Reagan completely changed that.

 

[barfo]

First.

In the carter years, my parents frequently told me to enjoy life while I could, that things were getting worse and worse and there wasn't much hope for change for the better anywhere in sight.

They were just trying to get you to kill yourself.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

They were just trying to get you to kill yourself.

barfo

No, it really was bleak.

As bleak as if Obama got his agenda passed instead of obstructed.

 

[MarAzul]

Gentrification just doesn't happened to black neighborhoods.

Go drive down SE Division from SE 12th to 39th. Drive into the side streets. You have well established neighborhoods, some middle class, some lower class. The city changed the zoning so apartments and condos could be built, up to 30 unit buildings with zero parking because the city believes that these new residents don't own cars, they either commute by bus or bike. But the fact is they don't, they park in the side streets. Neighborhoods are inundated with cars and traffic. Then the city started the stupid bioswale project and eliminated even more street parking. Nice working class neighborhoods have been drastically changed. Sure, like you say, their value went up, they should be happy. But a lot of people live in those neighborhood are retired, home paid for. Their property taxes have shot up. They're neighborhood is much more crowded, with people, cars, traffic.

Packing more people into the inner city isn't always a great thing.

Sounds like you are beginning to understand the downside of urban growth boundaries and the mission of progressive urban planners.

 

[MarAzul]

the gay white Maoists

uh, help me out here. Is that a triple slam?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Sounds like you are beginning to understand the downside of urban growth boundaries and the mission of progressive urban planners.

Urban growth boundaries get moved and expanded all the time. They're anything but inviolable. The simple fact is that there is no perfect solution. The counter-example of zero planning and zero regulation gives you sprawling shit-holes like Houston or Phoenix - hardly an improvement.