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[SportsTicker]

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=248308&lid=headline&lpos=topStory_nba

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Wasn't Keyon a trade?

 

[Claud]

Wasn't Keyon a trade?

I think he was a free agent and signed with us... not sure though.

 

[YehYeh]

Frank is a capable and ensconced head coach who has survived the purge and has gained a lot of authority as a result now he must fit these disparate pieces together to make a push for a lower Playoff seed

At least he is very positive, which is nice. He has Brook starting from day one, an interesting idea.

 

[cpawfan]

Wasn't Keyon a trade?

Yes, S&T for a TE

 

[Master Shake]

TSN! Canada FTW!

 

[SportsTicker]

Wasn't Keyon a trade?

A trade in name only. Orlando signed him to a $3.3 million contract, then Nets sent a $3.3 million trade exception to Orlando along with a token amount of cash. The Nets got the TE from the Kidd trade, so essentially Dooling was the latest but not the last piece of the Kidd deal to fall into the Nets hands. They still have KVH's contract and the 2010 Mavs pick.

 

[Petey]

Since the Nets used part of the MLE on Najera, they had to have a TE to acquire Dooling. What they had left wasn't enough.

-Petey

 

[MisterMontross]

Chisolm likes Larry Frank

 

[SportsTicker]

Chisolm likes Larry Frank

He always has...and well he should.

 

[SportsTicker]

Since the Nets used part of the MLE on Najera, they had to have a TE to acquire Dooling. What they had left wasn't enough.

-Petey

Right now the Nets have about $1.75 million left from the MLE. Not only did they use it for the Najera contract, they also had to use $442,000 of it for CDR's contract...so reports Kerber.

That's not much, but it's $500,000 more than the highest vets minimum deal...and that could help if they want to sign someone who wants more than the vets minimum.

 

[MisterMontross]

Right now the Nets have about $1.75 million left from the MLE. Not only did they use it for the Najera contract, they also had to use $442,000 of it for CDR's contract...so reports Kerber.

That's not much, but it's $500,000 more than the highest vets minimum deal...and that could help if they want to sign someone who wants more than the vets minimum.

Any idea why Nets would have to use part of MLE to pay CDR?

 

[Petey]

Wasn't CDR paid the league min? If so that should have no impact on the MLE. Anything over the MLE and the total of that contract would count against the MLE.

-Petey

 

[MisterMontross]

Wasn't CDR paid the league min? If so that should have no impact on the MLE. Anything over the MLE and the total of that contract would count against the MLE.

-Petey

You mean anything over the 2nd round pay scale would count against the MLE

 

[Petey]

You mean anything over the 2nd round pay scale would count against the MLE

Isn't that the league min? From what I recall there is no true 2nd round pay scale (like the 1st).

-Petey

 

[MisterMontross]

Isn't that the league min? From what I recall there is no true 2nd round pay scale (like the 1st).

-Petey

I believe there is a pay scale for 2nd round picks, and from what I can tell, CDR is getting it.

I'll have to check with Uncle Larry Coon.

Mr. Coon didn't help, but checking the salary pages, it seems CDR will earn $442,114 this season, just like every other 2nd round pick, except for the Suns 2nd rounder, I believe.

Can't imagine why CDR's salary would come off thr Nets MLE.

 

[cpawfan]

You mean anything over the 2nd round pay scale would count against the MLE

There is no such thing as a second round pay scale. Teams have to use cap space or an exception (MLE, vet min, BAE) to sign them.

 

[cpawfan]

Right now the Nets have about $1.75 million left from the MLE. Not only did they use it for the Najera contract, they also had to use $442,000 of it for CDR's contract...so reports Kerber.

That's not much, but it's $500,000 more than the highest vets minimum deal...and that could help if they want to sign someone who wants more than the vets minimum.

Kerber is wrong. Vet min is its own exception.

 

[cpawfan]

I believe there is a pay scale for 2nd round picks, and from what I can tell, CDR is getting it.

I'll have to check with Uncle Larry Coon.

Mr. Coon didn't help, but checking the salary pages, it seems CDR will earn $442,114 this season, just like every other 2nd round pick, except for the Suns 2nd rounder, I believe.

Can't imagine why CDR's salary would come off thr Nets MLE.

Veteran Minimum for a player with 0 years experience

Coon can't help you find things that don't exist.

 

[MisterMontross]

Veteran Minimum for a player with 0 years experience

Coon can't help you find things that don't exist.

"Veteran Minimum"? CDR is not a veteran. He's a 2nd round draft pick rookie. I was surprised Mr. Coon didn't have the figure that 2nd round picks are bound by, unless a team has to offer more to encourage a player play for their team, as the Suns did.

Of course, there is always the possibility that I just missed the figure that Mr. Coon did provide.

Mr. Coon certainly spelled out the salary structure for 1st round picks, who are also not veterans.

Addendum: Sorry, Mr. Coon did address this in FAQ#11. Read and enjoy.

 

[cpawfan]

"Veteran Minimum"? CDR is not a veteran. He's a 2nd round draft pick rookie. I was surprised Mr. Coon didn't have the figure that 2nd round picks are bound by, unless a team has to offer more to encourage a player play for their team, as the Suns did.

Of course, there is always the possibility that I just missed the figure that Mr. Coon did provide.

Mr. Coon certainly spelled out the salary structure for 1st round picks, who are also not veterans.

Because there is no such thing as a second round pick salary scale or any contracts that they are bound to. 2nd round picks are free to sign a contract for any value up to the maximum that a team has cap space or an exception for.

The Veteran Minimum exception has dollar amounts for players of every level of NBA experience, from 0 years on up.

 

[MisterMontross]

Because there is no such thing as a second round pick salary scale or any contracts that they are bound to. 2nd round picks are free to sign a contract for any value up to the maximum that a team has cap space or an exception for.

The Veteran Minimum exception has dollar amounts for players of every level of NBA experience, from 0 years on up.

Please read the addendum to my post, and tell me if Nets had to reach into their MLE to sign CDR.

Also, realize that if a team signs an undrafted player, they can pay him the zero year minimum salary, but it would count as the one year minimum salary as far as luxury tax is concerned.

 

[Petey]

"Veteran Minimum"? CDR is not a veteran. He's a 2nd round draft pick rookie. I was surprised Mr. Coon didn't have the figure that 2nd round picks are bound by, unless a team has to offer more to encourage a player play for their team, as the Suns did.

Of course, there is always the possibility that I just missed the figure that Mr. Coon did provide.

Mr. Coon certainly spelled out the salary structure for 1st round picks, who are also not veterans.

Addendum: Sorry, Mr. Coon did address this in FAQ#11. Read and enjoy.

Right, that comes out of exceptions. But if CDR has a figure like others, that won't be part of the MLE.

-Petey

 

[MisterMontross]

Right, that comes out of exceptions. But if CDR has a figure like others, that won't be part of the MLE.

-Petey

Which brings me back to my original question, why would CDR's salary have to come out of Nets MLE, as NI stated Kerber reported?

 

[cpawfan]

Please read the addendum to my post, and tell me if Nets had to reach into their MLE to sign CDR.

Also, realize that if a team signs an undrafted player, they can pay him the zero year minimum salary, but it would count as the one year minimum salary as far as luxury tax is concerned.

Actually it would count at the 2 year amount for luxury tax calculations. Also, it doesn't matter if the player was drafted or not.

 

[cpawfan]

Which brings me back to my original question, why would CDR's salary have to come out of Nets MLE, as NI stated Kerber reported?

Which brings me back to my post were I said Kerber is wrong

 

[MisterMontross]

Which brings me back to my post were I said Kerber is wrong

It's nice when we agree, isn't it?

 

[MisterMontross]

Actually it would count at the 2 year amount for luxury tax calculations. Also, it doesn't matter if the player was drafted or not.

I assume you are mean a player with one years experience, and I mean a player entering his 2nd NBA season, which would be the same thing.

Also, are you suggesting that CDR will cost the Nets the salary of a player with one years NBA experience as they approach the luxury tax level?

 

[cpawfan]

I assume you are mean a player with one years experience, and I mean a player entering his 2nd NBA season, which would be the same thing.

No, I mean someone that has played in 2 NBA seasons like I said. Here is the quote from Coon's FAQ.

For players who signed as free agents (i.e., not draft picks), and make less than the two-year minimum salary, the minimum salary for a two-year veteran is used in place of their actual salary.

The year of vets min a player qualifies for is based upon the # of previous seasons played in. A player entering their 2nd NBA season would be at the 1 year Vet Min amount.

Also, are you suggesting that CDR will cost the Nets the salary of a player with one years NBA experience as they approach the luxury tax level?

No I'm not. I'm stating that if the Nets somehow ended up as a luxury tax payer (which they won't), his salary would count at $797,581.

The reason for the 2 year figure is that veterans on min deals that have more than 2 years experience the league reimburses teams for the difference between that amount and the 2 year amount.

 

[MisterMontross]

No, I mean someone that has played in 2 NBA seasons like I said. Here is the quote from Coon's FAQ.



The year of vets min a player qualifies for is based upon the # of previous seasons played in. A player entering their 2nd NBA season would be at the 1 year Vet Min amount.



No I'm not. I'm stating that if the Nets somehow ended up as a luxury tax payer (which they won't), his salary would count at $797,581.

The reason for the 2 year figure is that veterans on min deals that have more than 2 years experience the league reimburses teams for the difference between that amount and the 2 year amount.

You are correct about the two-year min salary. However, it would not apply to CDR as he is a draft pick, and it's his actual 1st year salary that will count towards the luxury tax, which the Nets will probably not cross for a few reasons, one of which is Ratner will not permit it.

Also, as to 2nd round picks being signed for the Vets' Min, you are incorrect. A Vets' Min contract can only be for a maximum of two years. 2nd round picks can be signed for 3 years (or maybe even longer. Of that I'm not sure), as CDR has.