Better Playmaker Roy or Carter?

[JfizzleBlazer]

It was brought up in the NBA General forum (you can click the link in my sig) under the thread CBS's top 50 player rankings that some people feel Vince Carter is a better playmaker than Brandon Roy. What do you guys think?

Personally I think Roy is the better playmaker, but I'd like to hear other inputs

 

[pegs]

Carter.

 

[THE HCP]

What does playmaker mean? If it means going 1 on 1 and shooting EVERY time, then maybe Vince is better. If it means breaking down the d and setting up other people to score then it's BRoy. I would rather have Brandon running my offense or having the O run through him then VC! Brandon makes other people better. Vince scores.

 

[Natebishop3]

Playmaker can mean so many things. It's too vague.

 

[pegs]

playmaker doesn't mean scorer. Chris Paul is a playmaker. Brandon Roy is a playmaker. Vince Carter is a scorer.

Because Vince can score...that means he can't be a playmaker, too?

Well then, there's not way Cleveland can get into the playoffs. They don't even have a playmaker, just a bunch of scorers (and not-scorers)!

Your logic doesn't add up.

 

[THE HCP]

Because Vince can score...that means he can't be a playmaker, too?

Well then, there's not way Cleveland can get into the playoffs. They don't even have a playmaker, just a bunch of scorers (and not-scorers)!

Your logic doesn't add up.

What are you talking about? Vince doesn't play for Cleveland!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Playmaker can mean so many things. It's too vague.

In my opinion it means setting up teammates and creating offense in a good way

 

[THE HCP]

In my opinion it means setting up teammates and creating offense in a good way

Then no ?, it's BRoy.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because Vince can score...that means he can't be a playmaker, too?

Well then, there's not way Cleveland can get into the playoffs. They don't even have a playmaker, just a bunch of scorers (and not-scorers)!

Your logic doesn't add up.

Cleveland has LeBron James. LeBron played point guard in his first season with the Cavs. Vince has always been a forward. He's always been a scorer. But like I said, I think playmaker is too vague of a discription. I don't think Vince is much of a playmaker.

 

[pegs]

Cleveland has LeBron James. LeBron played point guard in his first season with the Cavs. Vince has always been a forward. He's always been a scorer. But like I said, I think playmaker is too vague of a discription. I don't think Vince is much of a playmaker.

So? I don't even see how that makes sense. Lebron played alongside McInnis...McInnis is not a point guard?

Lebron has always averaged more than 20 ppg throughout his career. How is he not a freaking scorer?

And how is playmaker too vague? It means a player that makes plays! Not that hard to figure out.

 

[DennisRodman]

Vince Carter
New Jersey Nets
Position: G
Height: 6-6 Weight: 220
College: North Carolina
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 21.3
RPG 6.0
APG 5.1
SPG 1.2
BPG 0.4
FG% 0.456
FT% 0.816
3P% 0.359
MPG 38.9

Brandon Roy
Portland Trail Blazers
Position: G-F
Height: 6-6 Weight: 229
College: Washington
Player file | Team stats
2007-08 Statistics
PPG 19.1
RPG 4.7
APG 5.8
SPG 1.1
BPG 0.2
FG% 0.454
FT% 0.753
3P% 0.340
MPG 37.7

I'd say that Vince is the better scorer, and has just as good playmaking skills right now. (Roy's will continue to improve)

Roy is quicker, and has more energy, and is the slightly better distributer at this point.

 

[JCB]

Then no ?, it's BRoy.

It's a lot closer than you think. Vince is a tremendous passer and he rarely get the credit he deserves in that area of his game. He's great at setting up his teammates. People who don't watch Nets games (you maybe?) don't realize that and just base your opinion off his past negative history, stats, and reputation.

When Vince is playing to the best of his abilities, then he's the better "playmaker." When he's not, then it's Roy. It's definitely a closer call than people are making it out to be in this thread.

 

[Ed O]

Vince is able to create his own shot at a higher level but Roy handles the ball much better and, IMO, has more of a team-first attitude in terms of passing the ball.

I would vote that Roy is the better "playmaker".

Ed O.

 

[bodyman5001]

People always downgrade Vince because everyone thinks he should have been top five all time.

 

[THE HCP]

I love his game, I just think he's a gunner. He doesn't make his teammates better.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

I love his game, I just think he's a gunner. He doesn't make his teammates better.

Then you've obviously never watched him play :/

 

[cpawfan]

I love his game, I just think he's a gunner. He doesn't make his teammates better.

Josh Boone would have trouble scoring 2 points per game without Vince

 

[THE HCP]

I just think a player like Kidd makes his team better, not Vince. Don't get me wrong, I love VC, I just wouldn't use the term "playmaker" to describe him.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

Mikki Moore owes Vince a shitload of money.

 

[cpawfan]

I just think a player like Kidd makes his team better, not Vince. Don't get me wrong, I love VC, I just wouldn't use the term "playmaker" to describe him.

You are switching terms and they are two very different terms.

First you talk about making teammates better and now you are talking about making the team better. Since we are talking about playmaking, the focus should only be on making teammates better.

 

[THE HCP]

I don't consider him the type of player that makes his teammates better.

 

[cpawfan]

I don't consider him the type of player that makes his teammates better.

So you are the type that likes to avoid looking at recent facts. That is good to know.

 

[Minstrel]

If by "play-maker," we mean making plays for one's self or one's teammates, then Carter is the better play-maker. He's a superior individual scorer and a very good passer.

If we're solely talking about making play for one's teammates, I'd take Brandon Roy. Not by a huge margin, but while I think both have very good passing skills for non-point guards, I think Roy has superior court vision and decision-making skills.

I've been a fan of Vince Carter since he was a Tar Heel and been watching him his whole career, including with New Jersey. I think he's a very underrated player and a borderline Hall of Famer. But I think Roy is the slightly better creator for other people.

 

[Natebishop3]

So? I don't even see how that makes sense. Lebron played alongside McInnis...McInnis is not a point guard?

Lebron has always averaged more than 20 ppg throughout his career. How is he not a freaking scorer?

And how is playmaker too vague? It means a player that makes plays! Not that hard to figure out.

Are you intentionally trying to put words in my mouth?

Where in my post did I say a playmaker can't be a scorer as well? I said that, in my definition, playmaker does not mean scorer. Not "a playmaker can not be a scorer." So, to break it down Barney style for you so there's no misunderstanding, you are not a playmaker just because you can score. Clear?

My definition of a playmaker might be different than your definition, thus the reason why I said the term is vague. It can mean different things to different people. I would define a playmaker as someone who can set up his teammates. Chris Paul is a playmaker. Brandon Roy is a playmaker. LeBron James is a playmaker.

By that I mean, just because you can score doesn't make you a playmaker. That's my definition. A playmaker makes plays for his teammates. If Vince can do that, I apologize. You saw my original post in the 30 seconds that it was up before I changed it. I edited it because I realized the word playmaker can mean different things to different people.

 

[DennisRodman]

. A playmaker makes plays for his teammates. If Vince can do that, I apologize.

Vince can do that.

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

If by "play-maker," we mean making plays for one's self or one's teammates, then Carter is the better play-maker. He's a superior individual scorer and a very good passer.

If we're solely talking about making play for one's teammates, I'd take Brandon Roy. Not by a huge margin, but while I think both have very good passing skills for non-point guards, I think Roy has superior court vision and decision-making skills.

I've been a fan of Vince Carter since he was a Tar Heel and been watching him his whole career, including with New Jersey. I think he's a very underrated player and a borderline Hall of Famer. But I think Roy is the slightly better creator for other people.

Huh?

 

[DennisRodman]

Huh?

It makes sense.

He said if play-making means making plays for one's self or teammates. Ie. creating a shot for himself and scoring, as well as finding open shots for teammates. Then Carter.

However if playmaking meant, just finding teammates open shots, ie. not including creating a shot for oneself (scoring). Then Brandon Roy.

 

[maxiep]

Here's my problem with threads like these--they become semantic in nature rather than focusing on the attributes of the two players.

 

[DennisRodman]

Here's my problem with threads like these--they become semantic in nature rather than focusing on the attributes of the two players.

Are you an anti-semantite?

 

[#1_War_Poet_ForLife]

It makes sense.

He said if play-making means making plays for one's self or teammates. Ie. creating a shot for himself and scoring, as well as finding open shots for teammates. Then Carter.

However if playmaking meant, just finding teammates open shots, ie. not including creating a shot for oneself (scoring). Then Brandon Roy.

Oh, read it as a mutually exclusive choice. My bad.