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Mediocre Man said:
Curious to know why Detroit would do that? Good trade for Portland though
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Sadly, they wouldn't. Although there is this...

And (he said, warming to his task), if I had to pitch it to Joe D, I would point out that
(a) this is addition by subtraction, because clearly Rip wants out and is poisoning the locker room
(b) Roy can play alongside either Stuckey or Ben Gordon perfectly well, whereas Rip can't really coexist with Ben Gordon, and in fact, needs a better PG than Stuckey to be effective.
(c) Villenueva is just a tease, and never really fit the Pistons' image, but would be perfect on the Suns (he's like mid-career Uncle Cliffy)
(d) together Rip and CV are owed 6 years. Together Roy and Joel are owed 6 years. Call it quits!
(e) Joel is perfect to restore the Bad Boys image.
 
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How quickly (me included) forget how Roy came back in game 4 of the playoffs last year and hit a key 3 pointer in the 4th quarter to help us even the series against the Suns.
Roy deserves more respect from us fans. He's given us all alot to cheer about the last few years.
BUT... we have been fun to watch the last 4 games!!!
 
BeerBoy said:
How quickly (me included) forget how Roy came back in game 4 of the playoffs last year and hit a key 3 pointer in the 4th quarter to help us even the series against the Suns.
Roy deserves more respect from us fans. He's given us all alot to cheer about the last few years.
BUT... we have been fun to watch the last 4 games!!!
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Clyde Drexler deserves a lot of respect from us fans. But he doesn't deserve to start for the blazers in 2011.

barfo
 
We would've been better off in that series if Roy had not come back.

Also, we finally blew out a team. We lose leads to crappy teams with Roy in the game.
 
OK, we've had two more games (on the road), lost one, won one. But by halftime of the Jazz game (even though I thought we would end up losing), I decided definitely I want to keep watching this kind of basketball. I never want to watch another Roy ISO. He will need to adapt to the team; the team should not have to adapt to him. And somebody on the Blazers needs to break the news to him (gently) now so he can get used to the idea and start thinking about how he will adapt.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
OK, we've had two more games (on the road), lost one, won one. But by halftime of the Jazz game (even though I thought we would end up losing), I decided definitely I want to keep watching this kind of basketball. I never want to watch another Roy ISO. He will need to adapt to the team; the team should not have to adapt to him. And somebody on the Blazers needs to break the news to him (gently) now so he can get used to the idea and start thinking about how he will adapt.
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Couldn't agree more. I am more and more sold with Roy Off The Bench. Ever since Roy went down, Lamarcus has been dominant; Nico, Rudy and Wes have all started cutting and hitting threes; Patty and Andre have become a solid PG rotation; and we have become a running team with smart passing. Roy could be that clutch shooter off the bench that can create offense.
 
Slow down the anti-Roy campaign. We've won a fuck of a lot of games with Roy ISO ball. The Heat won a championship in 2006 with Wade ISO ball. When you have a player that is that good and surrounded by the right players, it works. So first, give him his due. Now secondly, yes, his knees are deteriorating, but in the one game without Andre Miller this season, Roy played GREAT (and we won). He does not have the right backcourt mate for him right now. I think one of the reasons he is currently sitting out is that he and the team are waiting for our new PG (possibly Jameer Nelson). I just want to remind you all, that we've blown out teams WITH Roy in the past. We won in Utah WITH Roy. The last time we won in Denver, it was WITH Roy. Give him a chance to play with the new PG before you call his career over.
 
KingSpeed said:
Slow down the anti-Roy campaign. We've won a fuck of a lot of games with Roy ISO ball. The Heat won a championship in 2006 with Wade ISO ball. When you have a player that is that good and surrounded by the right players, it works. So first, give him his due. Now secondly, yes, his knees are deteriorating, but in the one game without Andre Miller this season, Roy played GREAT (and we won). He does not have the right backcourt mate for him right now. I think one of the reasons he is currently sitting out is that he and the team are waiting for our new PG (possibly Jameer Nelson). I just want to remind you all, that we've blown out teams WITH Roy in the past. We won in Utah WITH Roy. The last time we won in Denver, it was WITH Roy. Give him a chance to play with the new PG before you call his career over.
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I want you to know that I lost all respect for your posts after reading this. You just said one of the reasons he is sitting out is to wait for a new PG. Really?

Any way you look at this post it is utter nonsense. If you think he is really doing that and you don't care about that, you have no work ethic. I have a wicked cold and WANTED TO CALL IN SICK SOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD today but I NEVER call in sick unless I am in the hospital. I can't sleep because I can't breathe for shit right now. One in the morning.

Or, you are insane and reading into things that aren't there to convince yourself that a guy with no meniscus in either knee is going to magically be cured and run like he used to.

It is starting to become a little sad that even posts made in Roy's defense are turning into Wizard of Oz style dreams.


Roy should come off of the bench but the problem is with the clutch shooting people want. That will likely go away as his confidence erodes. He doesn't have great form, he just used to be cool in situations that made other players shiver like Uncle Cliffy in his first 10 playoffs. Bad knees don't help your shot either.
 
bodyman5001 said:
I want you to know that I lost all respect for your posts after reading this. You just said one of the reasons he is sitting out is to wait for a new PG. Really?
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Roy talking after it was announced that he would not be playing sounded like this. Instead of mentioning the doctors, he only talked about his conversation with Nate and Cho and that was what they decided as a group.

There is possibility for Roy's knees to physically feel better dispite very little meniscus being there. I would not bank our future on it though and our team will be better once Roy accepts this.
 
I'm not making stuff up. It has already been reported that Roy's camp believes his struggles have more to do with "the personnel" than it does with his knees. This has been reported and Roy himself has more than hinted at this several times this season. He ended up having to apologize for his remarks and then suddenly, stopped playing. What's he waiting for? His knees won't get better with a few weeks off. He's waiting for the new "personnel." Bookmark this post, buddy,
 
KingSpeed said:
Slow down the anti-Roy campaign. We've won a fuck of a lot of games with Roy ISO ball. The Heat won a championship in 2006 with Wade ISO ball. When you have a player that is that good and surrounded by the right players, it works. So first, give him his due. Now secondly, yes, his knees are deteriorating, but in the one game without Andre Miller this season, Roy played GREAT (and we won). He does not have the right backcourt mate for him right now. I think one of the reasons he is currently sitting out is that he and the team are waiting for our new PG (possibly Jameer Nelson). I just want to remind you all, that we've blown out teams WITH Roy in the past. We won in Utah WITH Roy. The last time we won in Denver, it was WITH Roy. Give him a chance to play with the new PG before you call his career over.
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How many playoff series did we win like that?

Roy, as good as he was, has never been as good as Wade.

That, plus you just mentioned the finals that almost made me quit watching the NBA due to the officiating being so one sided it seemed like the fix was in.
Roy would never, ever get as many calls as Wade did in the last 4 games of that finals series.


In short, even if Roy was perfectly healthy the team would have to change it's style of play to be a real contender.

Unless you find winning 50+ games and a first round exit in the playoffs good enough.
Then it would have been just fine.


Roy's injury is only speeding up what was already going to have to take place.
 
KingSpeed said:
Slow down the anti-Roy campaign.
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I, for one, (and I suspect most other posters) are not in the least "anti-Roy". I just stated that I like watching the Blazers play more now than when Roy was playing. I certainly did enjoy watching Roy individually when he was at his best; I just enjoy a brand of basketball where more players get involved.
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm not making stuff up. It has already been reported that Roy's camp believes his struggles have more to do with "the personnel" than it does with his knees. This has been reported and Roy himself has more than hinted at this several times this season. He ended up having to apologize for his remarks and then suddenly, stopped playing. What's he waiting for? His knees won't get better with a few weeks off. He's waiting for the new "personnel." Bookmark this post, buddy,
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:confused: I'm confused.

You suggest we slow down the anti Roy campaign, but your spin on the situation is a very good argument for burning him at the stake! If what you are suggesting is true, he should be held in contempt as a selfish, delusional scumbag.
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm not making stuff up. It has already been reported that Roy's camp believes his struggles have more to do with "the personnel" than it does with his knees. This has been reported and Roy himself has more than hinted at this several times this season. He ended up having to apologize for his remarks and then suddenly, stopped playing. What's he waiting for? His knees won't get better with a few weeks off. He's waiting for the new "personnel." Bookmark this post, buddy,
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Eric, if this were true, I would not want the guy on the team, period. I don't care if he were the second coming of Oscar Robertson, I would not want a cancerous player who would do that on any team I support.

I will give Roy some respect and believe it isn't true, until it is proven otherwise. I earnestly hope Brandon will be healthy enough, mentally and physically, to adjust and contribute to the new (and improved) offensive scheme.

Now if management would stop losing players and assets for no return, we may still have a team to root for in a couple of years.

:cheers:
 
KingSpeed said:
I'm not making stuff up. It has already been reported that Roy's camp believes his struggles have more to do with "the personnel" than it does with his knees. This has been reported and Roy himself has more than hinted at this several times this season. He ended up having to apologize for his remarks and then suddenly, stopped playing. What's he waiting for? His knees won't get better with a few weeks off. He's waiting for the new "personnel." Bookmark this post, buddy,
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Ok that's nice. Now that being said, what does your gut tell you after watching the team? My gut tells me that Roy can't defend anymore unless he is defending a slow player. My gut tells me that half of the moves in Roy's arsenal are gone because of his inability to explode anymore. I love Brandon Roy as a player. He has been very important to this franchise. But the days where Roy would dominate a game, are over.
 
Not necessarily, the Blazers just play a better brand of ball without him. I don't blame Roy for getting the team into the stagnant style, he is suppose to have help designing the play to utilize the skills of the players available.
 
Too bad for Roy, the team is winning without him. Hard to hold out until your demands are met when things are better with you gone. :grin:
 
Apparently someone didn't like the answer. It was deleted.
 
KingSpeed said:
Slow down the anti-Roy campaign. We've won a fuck of a lot of games with Roy ISO ball. The Heat won a championship in 2006 with Wade ISO ball. When you have a player that is that good and surrounded by the right players, it works. So first, give him his due. Now secondly, yes, his knees are deteriorating, but in the one game without Andre Miller this season, Roy played GREAT (and we won). He does not have the right backcourt mate for him right now. I think one of the reasons he is currently sitting out is that he and the team are waiting for our new PG (possibly Jameer Nelson). I just want to remind you all, that we've blown out teams WITH Roy in the past. We won in Utah WITH Roy. The last time we won in Denver, it was WITH Roy. Give him a chance to play with the new PG before you call his career over.
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The funny thing about ISO-ball...
1. Wade had Shaq
2. The three teams that played that style last year were unsuccessful in the playoffs. Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, and LeBron James all failed in the playoffs. If LEBRON JAMES can't make it work, then Brandon Roy probably can't either.

The thing is...I think our team can still be successful in the 4th with something in between what is going on now and the style we played with Brandon. The key will be Brandon buying into it, and not trying to do it all by himself. I believe he COULD sometimes, but it is more likely to end badly in his current state.
 
No. But they play a better brand of ball without him. That is not exactly his fault,
he should get more help than that in designing the offensive style of play.
 
You guys act like there were no fun games when Roy played. Remember when we beat Miami and Chicago by 40+ points?? Was that not an exciting brand of basketball? As for winning playoff series with Roy, he has only played in ONE full series healthy. ONE. How can you judge his effectiveness by one series? Oh and the two games we won against the Rockets? Those were the games where we ran most of the offense through Roy. Remember his 40+ points in Game 2? We didn't lose that series because we played too much ISO ball. We lost that series because we didn't play ENOUGH Roy ISO ball.

The most fun stretch of basketball this team has played in recent memory was the 13 game win streak including wins in Utah and Denver. Roy played on that team.

You guys are funny. You bitched about Sheed wanting to play team basketball instead of stepping up dominating the ball and playing like a superstar. Then we get Roy, who dominates the ball and plays like a superstar (3 straight All Star appearances), and you don't like it. Make up your mind, Blazers fans.
 
LameR said:
The funny thing about ISO-ball...
1. Wade had Shaq
2. The three teams that played that style last year were unsuccessful in the playoffs. Brandon Roy, Joe Johnson, and LeBron James all failed in the playoffs. If LEBRON JAMES can't make it work, then Brandon Roy probably can't either.

The thing is...I think our team can still be successful in the 4th with something in between what is going on now and the style we played with Brandon. The key will be Brandon buying into it, and not trying to do it all by himself. I believe he COULD sometimes, but it is more likely to end badly in his current state.
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Good points.
 
KingSpeed said:
You guys act like there were no fun games when Roy played. Remember when we beat Miami and Chicago by 40+ points?? Was that not an exciting brand of basketball? As for winning playoff series with Roy, he has only played in ONE full series healthy. ONE. How can you judge his effectiveness by one series? Oh and the two games we won against the Rockets? Those were the games where we ran most of the offense through Roy. Remember his 40+ points in Game 2? We didn't lose that series because we played too much ISO ball. We lost that series because we didn't play ENOUGH Roy ISO ball.

The most fun stretch of basketball this team has played in recent memory was the 13 game win streak including wins in Utah and Denver. Roy played on that team.

You guys are funny. You bitched about Sheed wanting to play team basketball instead of stepping up dominating the ball and playing like a superstar. Then we get Roy, who dominates the ball and plays like a superstar (3 straight All Star appearances), and you don't like it. Make up your mind, Blazers fans.
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The funny thing about the past is that it's in the past.
 
Arenas has 11 pts and 5 assts at half.

Introducing your new Portland Trail Blazer: Jameer Nelson.
 
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