Beyond Blazers Podcast/Profile: Meyers Leonard - Week 2 discussion topic

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Shit the more I think about it the more it bugs me. The team should have worked Meyers exclusively on low post offense and defense all summer. He can already shoot from anywhere. What center would be more effective pulling other centers away from the basket? He's a good passer too. He can shoot or pass or roll from the high post.

I guess Stotts doesn't run that kind of offense. God I miss 76-77-78.
 
Does Leonard even have decent mobility though? Dude can't move laterally at all, and he doesn't have the raw footspeed to keep up with 4s. Asik seemed far more capable in that respect.

For a guy Leonard's size- yes he has decent mobility. Not saying you do it- but a lot of folks tend to forget how truly big this guy is. He is a legit 7 footer, checking in at 7'1" 250 when he came out of school. Look at that video of Leonard dunking on Andre and tell me he's still 250 hahaha. For those that don't know- LMA , before he left was nearly 300lbs - checked in at 287-290 most days. So, yeah - for Leonard's size he has decent mobility- but really, it shouldn't be his mobility that the team takes advantage of- it's his size. It's his one asset you absolutely, positively cannot coach or replicate on this roster. Using it on the perimeter, to me, is foolish. But I'm not an NBA head coach... but I also expounded on that in the piece. That his being used at the 4 is more about the overall team concept as opposed to Leonard's usefulness.
 
Sometimes I think of Leonard as a student who gets good grades on his homework assignments but fails at taking tests under time pressure
 
For those that don't know- LMA , before he left was nearly 300lbs - checked in at 287-290 most days. So, yeah - for Leonard's size he has decent mobility- but really, it shouldn't be his mobility that the team takes advantage of- it's his size. It's his one asset you absolutely, positively cannot coach or replicate on this roster.

LaMarcus could move his feet like nobody's business though. Aldridge routinely guarding guys on the perimeter, and did it adequately. Meyers has to back off 20 feet and concede wide open jumpshots because his reaction time is too slow.
 
LaMarcus could move his feet like nobody's business though. Aldridge routinely guarding guys on the perimeter, and did it adequately. Meyers has to back off 20 feet and concede wide open jumpshots because his reaction time is too slow.
I disagree with that. LMA was terrible guarding guys on the perimeter.
 
As for watching games- I've watched every game since my return from the military. Going on 8 years straight lol. There have been plenty of players who I have seen that don't pass the so called eye test - Hi Nolan Smith! - I just don't see Meyers as that guy. He has flashes of brilliance that not a single big on this team are capable of doing- stepping out and knocking down 3's at a ridiculous clip, working in the PnR, PnP and then out of nowhere he'll go out on the run and do something like this...




Yes- it's Andre, that's the ridiculousness of it that I love- but he has absolutely no hesitation whatsoever... when that attitude comes to the front- the kid is a handful. That's what makes me so bullish on his future.


But is there a stat on getting out of position? Because if a guy doesn't react and is out of position, and doesn't defend a play at all then the stat might not count against him. I'd say he is a fair defender when he's actually in position to challenge a shot. And his career 3pt shooting is 37%. That's good, but not really "ridiculous".

It's nice to have a big man that can shoot...but that's if they are also doing the things a big man is supposed to do well. Meyers is the kind of guy that you could put a PG on him and shut him down, because he's not comfortable taking someone down low. He has the physicallity to be an inside man, but doesn't seem to have the mentality.
 
I disagree with that. LMA was terrible guarding guys on the perimeter.

LMA was actually one of the best for his size, not named Anthony Davis on the perimeter. Which is why the Blazers cross matched as opposed to pre-switching PnR in late game situations. Shooting over the 7ft LMA is really difficult and he moved his feet well enough that he never really gave up the blow by- always managed to trail and alter the shot, while also not fouling. I've run the numbers before- I could do it again. Willing to be they're even better in SA with TD and Kawhi on the help side.
 
But is there a stat on getting out of position? Because if a guy doesn't react and is out of position, and doesn't defend a play at all then the stat might not count against him. I'd say he is a fair defender when he's actually in position to challenge a shot. And his career 3pt shooting is 37%. That's good, but not really "ridiculous".

It's nice to have a big man that can shoot...but that's if they are also doing the things a big man is supposed to do well. Meyers is the kind of guy that you could put a PG on him and shut him down, because he's not comfortable taking someone down low. He has the physicallity to be an inside man, but doesn't seem to have the mentality.


Meyer's DFG% and Rim Protection stats are based off of SportVU- and factor in vicinity to player and hoop. Without having a log-in to Synergy I can't see all the variables. I'm working a deal right now that will hopefully allow me to have my own log in by mid/late Feb. Until then, it's just pure guess-timation. I could try and scrape ESPN's or NBA.com's database- but that's a ton of work lol.
 
I always felt Stotts was looking for another Dirk to fit his system...at 23 Dirk was pretty weak in the paint and a horrible defender with a gift for shooting lights out almost anywhere on the court...later in his career Dirk started to try and work in the paint a bit more and rebound but that was not his gift...enter Meyers role in Stotts system...maybe not the quick study he hoped for but credit Stotts some..he's got Meyers in the paint more recently
 
One minor note here that no one seemed to catch on to- Leonard will now be playing the role of power forward. So let’s analyze this for a second- a player that was drafted to be a rim protecting/rebounding, traditional big- a guy that’s 7’1” and 260lbs, has developed a 3 point shot, showed up on the bright lights of the playoffs against one of the premier centers in the league, demonstrated an ability to be a very solid paint protector…is moving out to the perimeter to guard stretch 4s?
Thanks Obam....err, I mean Stotts!
The only thing that makes sense to me is that team management is tanking Meyers' value in the hopes that he won't draw huge contract offers this summer, and will be able to sign him for a relative bargain. However, I don't think Olshey/Stotts are that evil. So the only other option is that Stotts is an idiot. It's been clear as day that Meyers is not a PF, yet Stotts has routinely put him in a position to fail throughout the season. During the Clipper game he had him guarding Pierce for a period of time!
 
Meyers Leonard... Future GQ star.
 
What does it all mean?

Leonard is a CENTER not a PF. Until he plays C full time, he will continue to "meh".
Off topic:: Feel for your Steeler loss. I want an AFC North team in there. Best rivalry in NFL with us. Much Respect for Ben and the rest. Wish Toussant gave you more. NE can go pound sand.
 
Dan made a great point about how big Leonard is; a lot of us have been saying all season that neither Plumlee or Davis is really big enough to play effective defense in the post. There are so few guys out there who can play good post defense and also make medium and long range shots. And of course he can dunk also. It'd be nice if he had a couple post moves but even without that he is a good center. And there is no reason he can't hang out outside the circle most of the time on offense. But it's be nice if he could move around more, make our offense less predictable. And, really, it is a mystery why he doesn't guard the post while Ed Davis (or maybe someone else, as Ed doesn't seem that swift out there either) is out away from the basket. Well, thinking about it I guess it's because we don't want Ed so far from the basket because he is a great rebounder. So Leonard would have to want rebounds more than he does now for that switch to work.

Talking about switches, something seemed to happen in the second half of that Philly game (and carried over to the next game). Leonard suddenly became a lot more active on defense and he was swinging his butt like a giant hammer to clear guys out of the way for rebounds. And at the same time he got more assertive about taking shots. (And his not taking shots is a really big thing; Stott's system is based on guys taking shots as soon as they have a good one; if they don't it throws everything off and can lead to desperation shots at shot time expiration).

I really want Leonard to be a great player and still have hope he can be one. But if I was a GM, I would be really scared to sign him to a long term contract. Sometimes he seems to have an attitude that he already has it made and doesn't have to keep clawing and scratching and fighting. And mentally, I just have this feeling if something happened like his wife breaking up with him, that he would fall totally apart, on and off the court.
 
After some minor technical difficulties this morning- the podcast has been recorded. Hope to have it up on iTunes by tomorrow!!
 
There are several important points to note in this well supported analysis made by Dan. They support the thread, Start Myers Leonard, from last month. (Please excuse the misspelling.)

Both on offense and defense, the optimized value that Meyers can bring to the Blazers has not been explored and needs to be determined without delay.

Meyers can be an offensive force for the Blazers, especially if the his multiple talents for shooting are featured to make scoring threats more unpredictable.

As an offensive weapon, Meyers in 2014-2015 was a member of the exclusive 50/40/90 club. And in the Dec 1 win over the Mavs, his 23 points included 4 swish3s.


Dan's read on the 76ers game offensive weakness is an important point. Meyers is the only Blazer who seems capable of pulling the defense out. And it is true that nearly everytime that Meyers has shot after a backdown, he has scored! It is time to give Meyers more post up opportunities than 1 per game.

Recently, Meyers has made 49% of his swish3 attempts, when good ball movement has given him open shots.

On defense, Meyers was 3rd best in the NBA close in and 5th best in rim protection. This defense should be featured by the Blazers. Instead it has seemingly been discouraged.

Meyers has shot blocking and rebounding talents shown at Illinois that should be developed as a Blazer. He does 1 on 1 blocks. He needs to be assigned to do post up defense.

Perhaps the greatest asset on defense is when Meyers uses his 7'3” wingspan up high to cause opponents to alter their shot trajectory, resulting in noticeably low shots made. This may be one of the most important points in strengthening the Blazer defense.

Meyers needs to be assigned to be the rim protector, rebounder, and paint protector instead of the swish3 defender. Meyers' success against Gasol in the Grizzlies game is powerful evidence.

When in the paint, Meyers succeeds in getting about 50% of his attempted rebounds, and could be averaging at least 10 per game with better positioning. With Meyers and Ed both in the game, rebounding improves.

As Dan has noted “my own personal belief is that Leonard has both the capacity to grow and the capabilities on the court to be a very solid player in this league. ...For the sake of the Blazers, I feel it would behoove them to give him extended minutes and a larger role this year to see if he can indeed realize his potential- to establish his market value and ascertain whether or not he’s a part of their plans going forward.” Perhaps we can agree!

Now that Meyers's shooting percentage is climbing again, it is important to encourage progress and give him the chance as Dan has explained. It is important to give Meyers the chance for enhancing Blazer success with Dan's one-of-two-things outcome number 2. The reasons to start Meyers Leonard, provide more minutes, and encourage swish3 shooting are strong.
 
There are several important points to note in this well supported analysis made by Dan. They support the thread, Start Myers Leonard, from last month. (Please excuse the misspelling.)

Both on offense and defense, the optimized value that Meyers can bring to the Blazers has not been explored and needs to be determined without delay.

Meyers can be an offensive force for the Blazers, especially if the his multiple talents for shooting are featured to make scoring threats more unpredictable.

As an offensive weapon, Meyers in 2014-2015 was a member of the exclusive 50/40/90 club. And in the Dec 1 win over the Mavs, his 23 points included 4 swish3s.


Dan's read on the 76ers game offensive weakness is an important point. Meyers is the only Blazer who seems capable of pulling the defense out. And it is true that nearly everytime that Meyers has shot after a backdown, he has scored! It is time to give Meyers more post up opportunities than 1 per game.

Recently, Meyers has made 49% of his swish3 attempts, when good ball movement has given him open shots.

On defense, Meyers was 3rd best in the NBA close in and 5th best in rim protection. This defense should be featured by the Blazers. Instead it has seemingly been discouraged.

Meyers has shot blocking and rebounding talents shown at Illinois that should be developed as a Blazer. He does 1 on 1 blocks. He needs to be assigned to do post up defense.

Perhaps the greatest asset on defense is when Meyers uses his 7'3” wingspan up high to cause opponents to alter their shot trajectory, resulting in noticeably low shots made. This may be one of the most important points in strengthening the Blazer defense.

Meyers needs to be assigned to be the rim protector, rebounder, and paint protector instead of the swish3 defender. Meyers' success against Gasol in the Grizzlies game is powerful evidence.

When in the paint, Meyers succeeds in getting about 50% of his attempted rebounds, and could be averaging at least 10 per game with better positioning. With Meyers and Ed both in the game, rebounding improves.

As Dan has noted “my own personal belief is that Leonard has both the capacity to grow and the capabilities on the court to be a very solid player in this league. ...For the sake of the Blazers, I feel it would behoove them to give him extended minutes and a larger role this year to see if he can indeed realize his potential- to establish his market value and ascertain whether or not he’s a part of their plans going forward.” Perhaps we can agree!

Now that Meyers's shooting percentage is climbing again, it is important to encourage progress and give him the chance as Dan has explained. It is important to give Meyers the chance for enhancing Blazer success with Dan's one-of-two-things outcome number 2. The reasons to start Meyers Leonard, provide more minutes, and encourage swish3 shooting are strong.
Longest swish3 yet!
 
Curious to see if any teams offer Myers big money in the off season. I wouldn't mind keeping him for bench player money, but I'm guessing his size and three point shooting are going earn him a big money offer from at least one GM who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. I think the blazers will let him walk if that happens. I think he actually may be trade bait.
 
Curious to see if any teams offer Myers big money in the off season. I wouldn't mind keeping him for bench player money, but I'm guessing his size and three point shooting are going earn him a big money offer from at least one GM who thinks he's smarter than everyone else. I think the blazers will let him walk if that happens. I think he actually may be trade bait.
I've read several articles saying quite a few teams have inquired about Meyers...apparently no one has offered enough for Olshey to bite
 

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