OT Bill Cosby Will Serve Less Than 3 Years (1 Viewer)

[PtldPlatypus]

What is the purpose of prison time?

Rehabilitation?

Vengeance?

Rehabilitation is a goal, sure, as is justice (which I contrast with vengeance). However, depending on one's perspective, there can be several theoretical purposes. To serve as a deterrent to future potential offenders, and to offer protection (or peace of mind) to the innocent populace are two that would be relevant here.

 

[CupWizier]

What is the purpose of prison time?

Rehabilitation?

Vengeance?

It's called punishment. You do the crime, you do the time, or don't you believe in punishment?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

It's called punishment. You do the crime, you do the time, or don't you believe in punishment?

But the question he asked (which I think I answered in my other post, and I'm curious for his response) is: "What is the purpose"? That is, what benefit to society is offered by the punishment being doled out? What are we hoping to accomplish by incarcerating an 81-year-old man?

In my mind, showing other men that sexual assault will not be ignored, regardless of age, class, or status, is a worthy goal.

 

[CupWizier]

But the question he asked (which I think I answered in my other post, and I'm curious for his response) is: "What is the purpose"? That is, what benefit to society is offered by the punishment being doled out? What are we hoping to accomplish by incarcerating an 81-year-old man?

In my mind, showing other men that sexual assault will not be ignored, regardless of age, class, or status, is a worthy goal.

IMO a punishment should fit the crime regardless of age.

 

[MarAzul]

to offer protection (or peace of mind) to the innocent populace are two that would be relevant here.

Perhaps. But to whom is this really necessary now? If the dude was 23 then that amount of time would be insufficient.
But the reality is the dude probably does not have the time given. Who benefits in reality from this costs?

 

[yankeesince59]

...I think it would be a slippery slope if we sent a message to criminals that if you commit a crime and can avoid prosecution for that crime until you are elderly you will be given a "get out of jail" card.

 

[yankeesince59]

Perhaps. But to whom is this really necessary now? If the dude was 23 then that amount of time would be insufficient.
But the reality is the dude probably does not have the time given. Who benefits in reality from this costs?

...if it somehow keeps even ONE predator from doing the same thing in the future...it's well worth it.

...if Cosby had done this to your daughter/relative I'm sure you'd have a different tone.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

IMO a punishment should fit the crime regardless of age.

...I think it would be a slippery slope if we sent a message to criminals that if you commit a crime and can avoid prosecution for that crime until you are elderly you will be given a "get out of jail" card.

Precisely.

Perhaps. But to whom is this really necessary now? If the dude was 23 then that amount of time would be insufficient.
But the reality is the dude probably does not have the time given. Who benefits in reality from this costs?

See the other quoted posts? They all say the same thing, which relates to the portion of my earlier post you didn't address--deterrent to future potential offenders. Not punishing an old guy just because he's old is a bad precedent.

 

[MarAzul]

In my mind, showing other men that sexual assault will not be ignored, regardless of age, class, or status, is a worthy goal.

Yes, I agree. But I think it makes sense when the penalty in imposed to shorten their hunting days. Not when they are gone anyway.
So I think the age is a useless part of the goal.
Perhaps, following the teachings of Jesus would be a better fit with this timing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Perhaps, following the teachings of Jesus would be a better fit with this timing.

Enlighten me on your view point of Jesus' teachings regarding punishment of violent crimes.

 

[noknobs]

He's actually sentenced to prison for 3-10 years. And he's been deemed a "sexually violent predator", so he'll have to register as a sex-offender and attend monthly counseling for the rest of his life.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Too bad Charles Manson died, we should have let him out of prison once he got old.

 

[MarAzul]

Enlighten me on your view point of Jesus' teachings regarding punishment of violent crimes.

Oh come now sir! You know these teaching better than me. But a couple come to mind.

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Romans 12:19 ESV / 680 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”


Revelation 21:8 ESV / 111 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

 

[MarAzul]

Too bad Charles Manson died, we should have let him out of prison once he got old.

Now there was the opposite case! Why the hell did they keep that creep alive for years?

 

[barfo]

But I'm guessing you are fine with locking up children at the border, right? What would Jesus think of that?

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Neither charged with rape.

Thank God for statutes of limitations.

 

[yankeesince59]

Enlighten me on your view point of Jesus' teachings regarding punishment of violent crimes.

..."Jesus' teachings"?.

...when I saw that I just laughed and shook my head.

 

[Spud147]

What is the purpose of prison time?

Rehabilitation?

Vengeance?

The purpose of prison time is justice for the dozen of victims who were drugged and raped. Fortunately the court seems to see the human value in the victims unlike you.

Hey that Golden State Killer they just caught is 72 and he hasn't burglarized, raped, or killed a woman since 1986... we might as well give him a free pass too because vengeance is so passé and he's obviously rehabilitated or he wouldn't have stopped.

 

[MarAzul]

Fortunately the court seems to see the human value in the victims unlike you.

Oh I don't think the amount of time they give the dude changes the value the court places on the victims. Actually I don't think you really probably do either.

The truth is, castration would likely serve society better than time in jail, even for the old dude.

 

[yankeesince59]

Oh I don't think the amount of time they give the dude changes the value the court places on the victims. Actually I don't think you really probably do either.

The truth is, castration would likely serve society better than time in jail, even for the old dude.

...castrate an 81 year old man?...what purpose does that serve?...cut his balls off and turn him loose?...seriously?

...is that one of "Jesus' teachings"?

 

[Chris Craig]

...the prosecution completely blew that case...seemed like like they were almost trying to lose on purpose.

Not on purpose. Just incompetence

 

[Chris Craig]

What is the purpose of prison time?

Rehabilitation?

Vengeance?

Punishment

 

[Hobbesarable]

What is the purpose of prison time?

Rehabilitation?

Vengeance?

You ask that with the amount of women's lives he's destroyed?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Oh come now sir! You know these teaching better than me. But a couple come to mind.

"
Romans 12:19 ESV / 680 helpful votes Helpful Not Helpful
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”


Revelation 21:8 ESV / 111 helpful votes
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

I don't claim to be any more knowledgeable than any other, and I know that much of scripture is open to interpretation, which was why I wanted to hear your perspective first before I gave my own.

While it is true that many verses in the NT advise against vengeance, those are all (to my knowledge) about individuals taking vengeance into their own hands, which is very different than governmental meting out of justice. To that end, I submit Romans 13:1-4.

Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.

There is most certainly no Biblical prohibition against government punishing criminals. In fact, it's expected, and identified as just and godly.

 

[Chris Craig]

I don't claim to be any more knowledgeable than any other, and I know that much of scripture is open to interpretation.

While it is true that many verses in the NT advise against vengeance, those are all (to my knowledge) about individuals taking vengeance into their own hands, which is very different than governmental meting out of justice. To that end, I submit Romans 13:1-4.


There is most certainly no Biblical prohibition against government punishing criminals. In fact, it's expected, and identified as just and godly.

So God established the U.S. government? Our criminal justice system? The FBI? CIA? Police?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So God established the U.S. government? Our criminal justice system? The FBI? CIA? Police?

I've always read that as referring to God's sovereignty rather than His direct involvement. That is, that God would have prevented the establishment of said government if it directly conflicted with His directive will, so its existence assumes God's permission, if not necessarily His blessing.

Just my reading of it, though. YMMV.

 

[Chris Craig]

I've always read that as referring to God's sovereignty rather than His direct involvement. That is, that God would have prevented the establishment of said government if it directly conflicted with His directive will, so its existence assumes God's permission, if not necessarily His blessing.

Just my reading of it, though. YMMV.

Except...Free will dictates that God doesn't give permision for anything. He sits back and watches and lets us choose to do good or bad. He doesn't permit killing or other crimes, he remains neutral and impartial.

I am not religious by any means. This is merely my understanding of the bible and christianity. Took some classes in college where we looked at the bible as an historical text.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Except...Free will dictates that God doesn't give permision for anything. He sits back and watches and lets us choose to do good or bad. He doesn't permit killing or other crimes, he remains neutral and impartial.

I am not religious by any means. This is merely my understanding of the bible and christianity. Took some classes in college where we looked at the bible as an historical text.

I can understand where you might have that view, but too much of scripture indicates God's involvement with humanity to suggest that He's completely hands off.

However, I don't want to derail this thread by launching into a religious discourse, so I'll leave it at that.

 

[Chris Craig]

I can understand where you might have that view, but too much of scripture indicates God's involvement with humanity to suggest that He's completely hands off.

However, I don't want to derail this thread by launching into a religious discourse, so I'll leave it at that.

Fair enough

 

[H.C.]

I don't claim to be any more knowledgeable than any other, and I know that much of scripture is open to interpretation, which was why I wanted to hear your perspective first before I gave my own.

While it is true that many verses in the NT advise against vengeance, those are all (to my knowledge) about individuals taking vengeance into their own hands, which is very different than governmental meting out of justice. To that end, I submit Romans 13:1-4.



There is most certainly no Biblical prohibition against government punishing criminals. In fact, it's expected, and identified as just and godly.

You have to excuse MarAzul as he like many 'practicing christians' are picking and choosing what scripture best fits at this moment. Which is not what it says at all.

At the end of the day Cosby is a child molester. Which is fucking disgusting.
Put him in jail and leave it at that.