Bill Gates...

[Denny Crane]

The Ten Commandments are Hebrew. Thou shalt have no othe God before me.

Ring a bell?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

A good Jew would be one that observes enough of the cultural tradition that you would certainly identify the person as being Jewish.

I think that's a direct answer to your question.

No offense Denny, but my question was, in reality, directed to GOD (the poster) based upon his experience as an atheist in the Jewish community. I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on this topic; I'm interested in his.

 

[Denny Crane]

No offense Denny, but my question was, in reality, directed to GOD (the poster) based upon his experience as an atheist in the Jewish community. I'm not particularly interested in your opinion on this topic; I'm interested in his.

Fine. I understood what he meant, tho ;-)

 

[magnifier661]

The Ten Commandments are Hebrew. Thou shalt have no othe God before me.

Ring a bell?

I am just replying to what GOD typed. He said to be a good Jew, you must practice their laws. Well I just stated the law Denny. Try and wiggle your way around this for the sake of argument, but its pretty clearly laid out.

Well shit man! I want to be an Atheist Christian. I look to Jesus as a natural "godless" ideology. That one must adopt with their own hearts that the concept of "not being good enough to be recycled into a good part of the universe". But if I believe with my heart, the energy within my body will attract to a healthy element and I can live, through an atomic level on a part of the planet that is of good use." LMAO!!!!!

 

[Denny Crane]

I am just replying to what GOD typed. He said to be a good Jew, you must practice their laws. Well I just stated the law Denny. Try and wiggle your way around this for the sake of argument, but its pretty clearly laid out.

Well shit man! I want to be an Atheist Christian. I look to Jesus as a natural "godless" ideology. That one must adopt with their own hearts that the concept of "not being good enough to be recycled into a good part of the universe". But if I believe with my heart, the energy within my body will attract to a healthy element and I can live, through an atomic level on a part of the planet that is of good use." LMAO!!!!!

You don't get the duality of religion and race. Christianity is a NOT race. That's why your statement is ridiculous to even you.

 

[magnifier661]

You don't get the duality of religion and race. Christianity is a NOT race. That's why your statement is ridiculous to even you.

So says you. "Judaism is not a race" --- Denny. It is a religion. Maybe you should look into the mirror when you say "ridiculous"

 

[maxiep]

Both parties/ideologies do that.

But the media only calls out one side to correct it.

 

[Further]

This is an interesting, and seemingly contradictory, concept to me. For instance, does not observant Judaism require recitation of the Shema? How can one recite the Shema ("Hear O Israel, the LORD is our God, the LORD is one...") twice daily and not believe in God, without consciously and intentionally lying?

So this is actually something I did not know till a relative told me, so I asked my Rabbi about ten years ago. He said actions are what count. You do not need to believe. However, the actions are designed to create a relationship with god, so that even if you do not believe when you start following the mitzvots (which would include recitation of the shema), overtime you would develop a relationship.

However, he made sure to point out that following the actions are what count. His explanation was at this point got a little weird. He said, if a person has terrible things in their heart, like they want to kill or rape, but their actions are such that they never do kill or rape, they can still be part of the community. Their actions are what counts.

This took me a long time to wrap my head around because it is not at all similar to Christain society which is where I grew up. But once I really thought about it, I actually really respect this philosophy. Does it really matter that I think about Ms. HCP as long as I dont bang her?

 

[magnifier661]

So this is actually something I did not know till a relative told me, so I asked my Rabbi about ten years ago. He said actions are what count. You do not need to believe. However, the actions are designed to create a relationship with god, so that even if you do not believe when you start following the mitzvots (which would include recitation of the shema), overtime you would develop a relationship.

However, he made sure to point out that following the actions are what count. His explanation was at this point got a little weird. He said, if a person has terrible things in their heart, like they want to kill or rape, but their actions are such that they never do kill or rape, they can still be part of the community. Their actions are what counts.

This took me a long time to wrap my head around because it is not at all similar to Christain society which is where I grew up. But once I really thought about it, I actually really respect this philosophy. Does it really matter that I think about Ms. HCP as long as I dont bang her?

I have a deep level of respect for you and your take on philosophy. I also have no doubt that you try and live by a good standard of Jewish Practice. But I personally believe that Judaism is a religion based on the principles of the Hebrew God. Many of the rules are set by God. I consider a Jewish person a religion, while I consider an Israelite or Hebrew the nationality. No offense buddy... Just my observation.

 

[Further]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halakha <--- Jewish Law



Then there is this....



And finally, this is one of the most important laws in Judaism.



So if you are "Atheist", then wouldn't believing that God doesn't exist is "blaspheming against God"?

I am not claiming I am a good Jew, just that I am still a Jew. Basically, a good Jew follows the laws, a bad Jew ( or a non-practicing Jew ) does not follow the laws, but is still Jewish because his/her mother is Jewish.and finally, someone else who has not converted and whose mother is not Jewish is not a Jew, even if they follow all the laws. M

 

[magnifier661]

I am not claiming I am a good Jew, just that I am still a Jew. Basically, a good Jew follows the laws, a bad Jew ( or a non-practicing Jew ) does not follow the laws, but is still Jewish because his/her mother is Jewish.and finally, someone else who has not converted and whose mother is not Jewish is not a Jew, even if they follow all the laws. M

So I can call myself a Christian if my dad and mom are Christian but I don't agree with the Christian way of life?

 

[Further]

I have a deep level of respect for you and your take on philosophy. I also have no doubt that you try and live by a good standard of Jewish Practice. But I personally believe that Judaism is a religion based on the principles of the Hebrew God. Many of the rules are set by God. I consider a Jewish person a religion, while I consider an Israelite or Hebrew the nationality. No offense buddy... Just my observation.

I do not try to live by any religious standard or follow any Jewish laws (although I am still a good person) so I am not a good Jew. But I am a Jew.

 

[Further]

So I can call myself a Christian if my dad and mom are Christian but I don't agree with the Christian way of life?

But that is not the definition of being Christian. To be Christian, I believe you need to accept Jesus into your heart.

Two different sets of rules, two different definitions.

 

[Denny Crane]

So says you. "Judaism is not a race" --- Denny. It is a religion. Maybe you should look into the mirror when you say "ridiculous"

So says you who doesn't understand it at all.

It is both a religion and a race. If you are born Jewish, you will always be Jewish. It's genetic, hereditary, etc. Just like being of Korean descent.

 

[magnifier661]

So says you who doesn't understand it at all.

It is both a religion and a race. If you are born Jewish, you will always be Jewish. It's genetic, hereditary, etc. Just like being of Korean descent.

Nope... A black man can be a Jew. A Korean can be a Jew. I actually know a few... Show me the Jew gene!!!!

 

[Further]

Nope... A black man can be a Jew. A Korean can be a Jew. I actually know a few... Show me the Jew gene!!!!

For the majority of Jews, there are genes, that's why there are certain diseases only Jews or people of Jewish decent can get.

 

[Further]

The two sub races within the Jewish line are sephardic or ashkenazi

 

[magnifier661]

For the majority of Jews, there are genes, that's why there are certain diseases only Jews or people of Jewish decent can get.

Question... Can a black person or asian that was not a Jew at birth, whom converted to judaism be a Jew? So if that person converts to Judaism, inherit those diseases you just mentioned?

 

[Further]

.also, it is not easy to become Orthodox Jew which is really the Jew that counts if you are not in the blood line and wish to be considered Jewish by Israel. My sister-in-law got married in a reformed synagogue because she and my brother didn't really want to do more than take a handful of classes. My brother-in-law took classes every week for a year to be allowed to convert to be a conservative Jew. My cousin married a man five years after they began planning because she wanted him to be orthodox, and that was how long it took for the Rabbis to approve of him.

My guess is that most of the Jewish Koreans, Blacks ... That you know would not be considered Jewish by Israel.

 

[Further]

Question... Can a black person or asian that was not a Jew at birth, whom converted to judaism be a Jew? So if that person converts to Judaism, inherit those diseases you just mentioned?

Yes they can. But it's fucking hard and there aren't many, read my previous post. You are wrong if you don't think it is also a race. It is a religion and a race.

 

[Further]

When I was at sea world a man called my mom a fucking-hook-nosed-Jew. We were not dressed any differently, we look Jewish. Big noses, curly hair and a giant dick (I'm going to slide that one if for fun). Just as you might be singled out for slanted eyes or darker skin.

 

[maxiep]

For the majority of Jews, there are genes, that's why there are certain diseases only Jews or people of Jewish decent can get.

I found this out when my wife was pregnant. I have Ashkenazi Jew heritage and was amazed at how long the list was. Also, I became highly uncomfortable with the fact that my heritage had the word "Nazi" in it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nope... A black man can be a Jew. A Korean can be a Jew. I actually know a few... Show me the Jew gene!!!!

Right, but a person born a Jew cannot stop being a Jew. No more than someone born Japanese can become something else.

 

[maxiep]

Big noses, curly hair and a giant dick (I'm going to slide that one if for fun).

 

[Further]

I found this out when my wife was pregnant. I have Ashkenazi Jew heritage and was amazed at how long the list was. Also, I became highly uncomfortable with the fact that my heritage had the word "Nazi" in it.

Oh man, I got a good laugh. Thanks. Repped.

 

[Further]

Ya perhaps I should have said a well developed sense of humor instead of a giant schlong.

 

[maxiep]

Ya perhaps I should have said a well developed sense of humor instead of a giant schlong.

I prefer to tell people it means I try harder.

 

[Further]

I prefer to tell people it means I try harder.

Well, it may not be huge, but it Is rock hard.

Although I feel like a traitor when it points towards Mecca.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So this is actually something I did not know till a relative told me, so I asked my Rabbi about ten years ago. He said actions are what count. You do not need to believe. However, the actions are designed to create a relationship with god, so that even if you do not believe when you start following the mitzvots (which would include recitation of the shema), overtime you would develop a relationship.

However, he made sure to point out that following the actions are what count. His explanation was at this point got a little weird. He said, if a person has terrible things in their heart, like they want to kill or rape, but their actions are such that they never do kill or rape, they can still be part of the community. Their actions are what counts.

This took me a long time to wrap my head around because it is not at all similar to Christain society which is where I grew up. But once I really thought about it, I actually really respect this philosophy. Does it really matter that I think about Ms. HCP as long as I dont bang her?

So according to this line of thinking, how does a good Jew reach Abraham's bosom? Is it something you earn? Is there a sliding mitzvah scale that determines ones eternal destination?

Also, would you say that this is why many Jews had/have such a problem with the teachings of Jesus--because he indicated that a person's actions didn't matter as much as their heart?

 

[magnifier661]

I would have never thought that talking about bill gates would stem a convo like this.