Bill Simons says it again "Oden a Bust"

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

bluefrog

Go Blazers, GO!
Joined
Sep 23, 2008
Messages
1,964
Likes
81
Points
48
I have to apply The Darko Corollary here. You can trot out every tired excuse you want to explain why a "can't miss" prospect is missing -- and remember, Oden was a "can't miss" 22 months ago -- but at some point, we have to see something. Remember when Detroit fans kept making excuses for Darko as he toiled away on their bench and looked spazzy and overwhelmed during games, and the months kept passing, and he wasn't showing anything, and, eventually, all those games added up and we realized, "Wait, Darko doesn't have it"?



We're getting there with Oden. Look how well Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah played in the 2009 postseason. Look how much Rajon Rondo grew from Season 1 to Season 3. Look at some of the beauties Durant had this season; same for Kevin Love or Brook Lopez, or even Russell Westbrook. If you're headed toward greatness, or even goodness, you're going to show us flashes of your ultimate destiny in your embryonic years. That's just the law. You can't go from "I am doing nothing" to "I'm an All-Star!" unless you're Jamaal Magloire (who immediately went back to nothing). It's a series of baby steps. And through two seasons, Oden has shown nothing other than a remarkable ability to suffer bad luck with injuries and draw empathy from his fans. I don't know what else to say. If he's good, let's see it. We could always use more blue-chippers. But he hasn't even shown hints of flashes. It's been a full-fledged blackout for two seasons. When you're clumsy, you're clumsy. We should have seen something by now. Just remember the lessons of the Darko era. After a while, it stops being an accident.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/090522/part1&sportCat=nba


I hate Bill Simmons. We make a lot of excuses but Oden is not as bad as Darko.
 
Last edited:
"Hasn't even shown hints of flashes"? WTF? Oh well--it's not like I put any stock in anything he says anyway...
 
hasnt shown hints of flashes? what a tool. Oh well, let the Hate keep coming.
 
"Hasn't even shown hints of flashes"? WTF? Oh well--it's not like I put any stock in anything he says anyway...

dang beat me too it, that struck me as stupid too.
 
What is so funny is that except for fouls, his per 32 minute averages are better than Dwight Howard's were in his rookie season.
 
This is almost becoming a religious rite with Simmons ... I mean he really wants Greg to fail. As for the "no flashes" thing I guess you'd actually have to watch the games to see anything and I'm guessing the Blazers are on TV after Bill's bedtime.

Does anybody else get the feeling that this schtick is mostly just to needle Portland fans? I've noticed for a few years that Simmons seems to have an especially low regard for Blazers fans for some reason (various podcasts, columns always seem to make us sound like a bunch of think skinned, crazy, no-nothings).
 
What an absolute tool.

Hmmm ... who should I believe ... the people who decide whom to invite to the USA Basketball team, or some syndicated online columnist?

The guy should have quit at his NBA Draft Day diary. That's the only good thing he does all year. Since when did Mr. Comedic Writer Guy become an expert on personnel in the NBA?

-Pop
 
Oden has shown lots of flashes - but what is sad is that Simmons that used to be consistently funny is now at the the wrong side of his career and is unfortunately trying to have the same old jokes again again and again. It's a little bit like watching Jason Kidd - sure he gets one of these games where he looks like the old once in a generation PG he once was - but he is consistently broken on the defense by kids that write blogs from their dorm room.
 
This is almost becoming a religious rite with Simmons ... I mean he really wants Greg to fail. As for the "no flashes" thing I guess you'd actually have to watch the games to see anything and I'm guessing the Blazers are on TV after Bill's bedtime.

Does anybody else get the feeling that this schtick is mostly just to needle Portland fans? I've noticed for a few years that Simmons seems to have an especially low regard for Blazers fans for some reason (various podcasts, columns always seem to make us sound like a bunch of think skinned, crazy, no-nothings).


In his playoff preview podcast he said Portland was his 2nd favorite team to watch.
 
Let's cutoff Simmons hands and cut out his tongue and see how well he writes for a year. He is an idiot, basically because Oden has been hurt, he is a bust according to Simmons. Aside from Kevin Love at 18.3 PER, Oden had a better PER (18.1) than all of them as a rookie.

Yes he played less time, but that stat does a decent job of showing how productive you are when on the floor. I bet it only goes up from there over the next ten years.
 
In his playoff preview podcast he said Portland was his 2nd favorite team to watch.

Yes, but we all know that is only because he enjoyed watching Oden's "clumsiness"
 
In his playoff preview podcast he said Portland was his 2nd favorite team to watch.

I call bullshit (not on you, on Bill) ... unless it's his second favorite team to watch because he's eagerly anticipating Oden picking up ticky tack fouls that he can write about in his next column.

I read Simmons pretty regularly, because I think he's kind of funny, and even the Oden stuff doesn't usually bother me, but it's becoming so fucking overdone and tired ... he's like Micheal Winslow: "Yes the crazy noises were funny in the first 2 Police Academy movies. 25 years doing your stand up comedy routine based on that? Not so much."
 
Simmons and Canzano should marry and have kids!


I can see the kids saying they hope the president fails ... ooops.

Really, this is fine with me. Let everyone think Oden is a bust and underestimate him. Then watch the jaws drop next season. "What? You mean he can play? Oh shit!"
 
I can see the kids saying they hope the president fails ... ooops.

Really, this is fine with me. Let everyone think Oden is a bust and underestimate him. Then watch the jaws drop next season. "What? You mean he can play? Oh shit!"


Dude, I've been meaning to ask this. What's with the avatar? It's an eyesore.

PS- Simmons is a clown.
 
It matters little. Either Oden will step up, or he will go down as a bust. It doesn't matter what Bill says. What matters is what Oden does.
 
I'm sure he's bitter about the draft, but I think he just does this to dig into you guys.
 
Simmons is about 3/4 right.

At the offensive end, Oden has shown nothing special. People need to accept that and get over it.

What's holding him back on the defensive end is injuries and foul trouble. He has shown more than "hints of flashes" that he can be a game changer as a defender/rebounder. If Simmons was claiming that he was going to be the next Mutombo, instead of the next Hakeem or Jabbar, I wouldn't even blink......but Darko?.....that's pointless overkill.
 
Dear Bill Simmons,

You're an idiot. When you can't even get simple facts straight, it makes it impossible to take anything you say seriously (perhaps that's the point - you're supposed to be a funny guy, right?):

"And through two seasons, Oden has shown nothing..."

Oden has played one season, not two. Check back after next year and see how he's doing relative to Darko.

And, since you insist on comparing Oden to Darko, how about backing up your argument with some facts (I know, I know, facts aren't your thing. They aren't funny and always have a nasty way of making your opinions look stupid and ill informed).

Darko did not record his first double-double until his 165th NBA game in mid-January of his FOURTH SEASON.

Oden recorded his first double in his third NBA game.

Through four complete seasons, Darko had a total of 6 double-doubles.

Oden had 6 double-doubles in his first 14 games.

Oden, right now, injuries, fouls and all, is so much better than Darko, it's not even close - no excuses necessary. Oden accomplished more in his 3rd NBA game than Darko did in his first 3 NBA seasons. Comparing the two is ridiculous. I could go on and shown that in raw numbers Oden averaged more PPG and more RPG as a rookie coming off microfracture surgery than Darko has at any time in his 6 year NBA career. I could also compare Oden's superior rebouning rate, much higher FG%, superior Win Shares, and much higher offensive rating, but what's the point? You're so intent on blindly bashing Greg Oden that you clearly aren't interested in facts. If you were, you'd already know Oden was vastly superior as an injured rookie to Darko at any point in his 6 year NBA career.

I hope you like crow. You'll be eating plenty of it in the future.

BNM
 
he also said brandon roy might be a first ballot hall of famer when it's all said and done
 
The guy should have quit at his NBA Draft Day diary. That's the only good thing he does all year. Since when did Mr. Comedic Writer Guy become an expert on personnel in the NBA?

I guess you missed him lobbying for the Timberwolves GM job - seriously. The guy has a hugely overinflated opinion of his knowledge of the NBA. He thinks he can actually jump right in and run an NBA team based on his background as an occasionally funny columnist. What's next, Andrew Dice Clay for Secretary of State? Rosanne Barr as the CEO of IBM?

BNM
 
Oden was not dominate this year. That much is not really debatable. But to say he showed no flashes of good play is pretty ignorant. This shows all of Oden's games. To me, 24 pts and 15 rebounds is a pretty significant flash. Or the game where he got 6 blocks. Or the fact he scored in double figures in almost half his games despite tremendous foul trouble.

The argument that he did it against sub-par competition is also ignorant. A large number of players don't play well against anyone, ever.

Simmons has a blind spot when it comes to Oden, and he always will.
 
Oden was not dominate this year. That much is not really debatable. But to say he showed no flashes of good play is pretty ignorant. This shows all of Oden's games. To me, 24 pts and 15 rebounds is a pretty significant flash. Or the game where he got 6 blocks. Or the fact he scored in double figures in almost half his games despite tremendous foul trouble.

The argument that he did it against sub-par competition is also ignorant. A large number of players don't play well against anyone, ever.

Simmons has a blind spot when it comes to Oden, and he always will.


Well we can always get his mailing address, and send him a bubble wrapped envelope with a nice steamy log in it for him. :ghoti:
 
Since when does an injury plagued disappointing rookie season == bust?

Yes, Oden's stats were less than what most expected for a No. 1 overall pick, but IMHO:

one disappointing injury plagued season = lots of room for improvement

bust = no hope for substantial improvment

At this point, I think Oden is definitely in the former catagory, not the latter. Two more seasons of single digit scoring, rebounding and massive foul trouble and we can start bandying about the "B" word, until then, it's premature (or in Simmon's case, immature).

BNM
 
There's something on the Blazers/ Oden on PTI in a few minutes... hmm.
 
Bill Simmons is occasionally funny, but he has the credibility of Stephen A. Smith.
 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top