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THE HCP said:
The fact that you are defining this murder is mind-blowing. I'm sure you don't care what I think, but you're about to join a small list on here bro.
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I'm not "defending" anything. I'm giving my perspective on the facts that I'm aware of.
 
The one thing I'm skeptical of is I saw a photo of one of the officers and he appeared to have a camera on him. After the incident the cops claimed there was no cameras with them at the time. If they can prove there was a camera present then the outcome might be different.

Some people think I'm defending murderers, but I'm not. I'm just saying that based on the evidence I've seen I can see how the AG reached his decision.
 
it's rinse and repeat

white cops get massive advantages from the same legal system that discriminates against and oppresses minorities, while the body count of the same minorities keeps climbing. Nothing changes

and that includes more white guys defending the cops skating on technicalities without knowing exactly what happened the night Taylor died, or what transpired in the grand jury.

try coming at a black american right now with a list of "facts" like a no-knock warrant as an excuse to just mark Breanna Taylor down as just more collateral damage in a drug war. Fuck that
 
theprunetang said:
I love how 2nd ammendment rights advocates forget their allegiances when the situation involves black people. Grade A stuff.
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You didn't indicate who you're addressing this to, but since I posted that a major justification for the lack of charges against the police was that they were fired upon, I'll take a crack at answering. I'm not a huge fan of the 2nd Amendment as it's interpreted by many right wing Republicans, so I hope that doesn't disqualify me.

This is a quote from a Kentucky guns rights website:

"Kentucky is a Castle Doctrine state and has a “stand your ground” law. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat."

The boyfriend was certainly in a place where he had a right to be. The warrant may cause some doubt as to the unlawful activity, but let's leave that for now. He says that he didn't know who was breaking in and was defending himself. All of that would seem to meet the requirements outlined above, but I haven't looked at Kentucky law to confirm it. He was originally charged with unlawful use of a firearm, but those charges were later dropped, presumably because of his defense under the Castle Doctrine.

The Castle Law worked as intended. That said, more than one factor was in play. The police had a legal warrant and they came under fire while executing it. It was shitty police work and a crappy no-knock law, but that doesn't change the fact that once under fire in the course of executing a warrant, the police too have a right to defend themselves. The Castle Doctrine doesn't require a police officer to sit back and wait to be shot.

Shooting guns at people, even if lawful, can have horrible consequences. The truly awful part of this whole thing is that it was Breonna Taylor who paid the price. It's dreadful and it should never have happened. The whole judicial system failed. No-knock warrants suck. In my view, there was no justifiable reason for the police to break into the apartment. They had the place surrounded. They could have simply contacted the folks inside by phone or bullhorn or some sane form of communication other than breaking down the door, and demanded that they surrender. The City agreed that they were culpable in the loss of Ms. Taylor's life and paid a large settlement.

Awful police work still doesn't mean that the officers involved violated any laws. I want changes in the way the police operate and I will work to demand that Blacks are treated equally. I will not take the position that the death of any Black person at the hands of police should be treated the same. They have to be judged based on the individual circumstances and weighed against the laws in effect at the time of the incident. Otherwise we're just vigilantes.
 
You and your girlfriend are asleep in your apartment. In the middle of the night you are awakened by someone breaking down your door. You are a legal licensed gun owner. You do what gun advocates have said a million times, fire a shot to defend your home.

I don't know how many times gun advocates have told exactly this story, someone fired a shot and it chased away the bad guys and wasn't it great the person had a gun in their home?

But those folks were white.
 
crandc said:
You and your girlfriend are asleep in your apartment. In the middle of the night you are awakened by someone breaking down your door. You are a legal licensed gun owner. You do what gun advocates have said a million times, fire a shot to defend your home.

I don't know how many times gun advocates have told exactly this story, someone fired a shot and it chased away the bad guys and wasn't it great the person had a gun in their home?

But those folks were white.
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I don't know about the white part, but your right to shoot doesn't mean that someone isn't going to shoot back at you. If it's the cops, I can pretty much guarantee that they will shoot at whomever is shooting at them.
 
e_blazer said:
I don't know about the white part, but your right to shoot doesn't mean that someone isn't going to shoot back at you. If it's the cops, I can pretty much guarantee that they will shoot at whomever is shooting at them.
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You are correct, they will. But if he actually didn't hear them and he was defending his home..... changes everything if that's true.
 
e_blazer said:
You didn't indicate who you're addressing this to, but since I posted that a major justification for the lack of charges against the police was that they were fired upon, I'll take a crack at answering. I'm not a huge fan of the 2nd Amendment as it's interpreted by many right wing Republicans, so I hope that doesn't disqualify me.

This is a quote from a Kentucky guns rights website:

"Kentucky is a Castle Doctrine state and has a “stand your ground” law. A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat."

The boyfriend was certainly in a place where he had a right to be. The warrant may cause some doubt as to the unlawful activity, but let's leave that for now. He says that he didn't know who was breaking in and was defending himself. All of that would seem to meet the requirements outlined above, but I haven't looked at Kentucky law to confirm it. He was originally charged with unlawful use of a firearm, but those charges were later dropped, presumably because of his defense under the Castle Doctrine.

The Castle Law worked as intended. That said, more than one factor was in play. The police had a legal warrant and they came under fire while executing it. It was shitty police work and a crappy no-knock law, but that doesn't change the fact that once under fire in the course of executing a warrant, the police too have a right to defend themselves. The Castle Doctrine doesn't require a police officer to sit back and wait to be shot.

Shooting guns at people, even if lawful, can have horrible consequences. The truly awful part of this whole thing is that it was Breonna Taylor who paid the price. It's dreadful and it should never have happened. The whole judicial system failed. No-knock warrants suck. In my view, there was no justifiable reason for the police to break into the apartment. They had the place surrounded. They could have simply contacted the folks inside by phone or bullhorn or some sane form of communication other than breaking down the door, and demanded that they surrender. The City agreed that they were culpable in the loss of Ms. Taylor's life and paid a large settlement.

Awful police work still doesn't mean that the officers involved violated any laws. I want changes in the way the police operate and I will work to demand that Blacks are treated equally. I will not take the position that the death of any Black person at the hands of police should be treated the same. They have to be judged based on the individual circumstances and weighed against the laws in effect at the time of the incident. Otherwise we're just vigilantes.
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I wasn't aiming my post at any one poster in particular. You gave a solid answer though, regardless. I feel like the no-knock warrant is what allowed everything else to take place. The antecedent, if you will. This same scenario though, regardless of who is entering the domicile, is exactly what most white gun rights advocates speak about. And if police are doing such shitty work to put themselves in that situation in a "stand your ground" state, it really makes one question their logic. To me, the police are at complete fault for forcing this situation. And it is bullshit, and needs to stop. NOW.
 
theprunetang said:
I wasn't aiming my post at any one poster in particular. You gave a solid answer though, regardless. I feel like the no-knock warrant is what allowed everything else to take place. The antecedent, if you will. This same scenario though, regardless of who is entering the domicile, is exactly what most white gun rights advocates speak about. And if police are doing such shitty work to put themselves in that situation in a "stand your ground" state, it really makes one question their logic. To me, the police are at complete fault for forcing this situation. And it is bullshit, and needs to stop. NOW.
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No argument from me on any of that.
 
Also cops did not aid Breonna Taylor after she was shot.

Attorney General is a protege of Mitch McConnell who spoke at Republican convention. He believed one witness who said cops identified themselves but ignored 11 witnesses who said they did not. He attacked "celebrities" who protest, spending more time on that than the actual case.
 
crandc said:
Also cops did not aid Breonna Taylor after she was shot.

Attorney General is a protege of Mitch McConnell who spoke at Republican convention. He believed one witness who said cops identified themselves but ignored 11 witnesses who said they did not. He attacked "celebrities" who protest, spending more time on that than the actual case.
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According to the forensics report, she died very shortly after the fatal shot:

“In total, six bullets struck Ms. Taylor. Medical evidence obtained by our team indicates that only one shot was fatal. Further medical evidence shows that Ms. Taylor would have died from the fatal shot within a few seconds to two minutes after being struck.”

It’s worth everyone’s time to read the AG’s statement. It’s worth noting that the FBI is doing an independent investigation to determine if there was a civil rights violation in this case.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.re...ript-september-23-breonna-taylor-decision/amp
 
The cop who served the so called warrant had been fired from Lexington of with recommendation he not be hired by other police departments. He is currently facing multiple allegations of sexual assault. Very fine people.
 
crandc said:
The cop who served the so called warrant had been fired from Lexington of with recommendation he not be hired by other police departments. He is currently facing multiple allegations of sexual assault. Very fine people.
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Not following this. Can you provide a link?

Never mind. I found the reference to the sexual assault accusations against Brett Hankinson. Hadn’t seen that before.
 
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crandc said:
The cop who served the so called warrant had been fired from Lexington of with recommendation he not be hired by other police departments. He is currently facing multiple allegations of sexual assault. Very fine people.
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"Just a few bad apples... "
 
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