Black People can't be racist

[donkiez]

Nor can any minority, and women can't be sexist. Racism, sexism and other isms have to do with power and can't be extended to those without power. This is true and correct as I understand it, and explains some of the radical BLM people to me, but I don't like the overall message it brings. To me if a black person calls me a cracker then that's a racist remark and more than just a backwards thinking, offensive remark. If I call him a N then I'm being racist and backwards and offensive. Discuss.

 

[dviss1]

Sigh....

A better thought or statement would be How does racism effect White people Vs Black people. Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black. Louie CK sums it up nicely:

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Awesome!

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[magnifier661]

It's absolutely absurd. If you single out a social group, that is absolutely racists. Asians hating blacks, blacks hating Mexicans, whites hating asians, white hating blacks all promote backward momentum in solving very tough social challenges in society. No one gets a pass

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

They teach that in universities too. So hypocritical. Especially in my woman's studies classes where they talked about being marginalized, yet they marginalized handicap people in class

 

[donkiez]

Sigh....

A better thought or statement would be How does racism effect White people Vs Black people. Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black. Louie CK sums it up nicely:

that's not nearly as inflammatory of a headline as black people cant be racist though.

 

[dviss1]

Ya know, I really wonder why these idiotic threads keep happening.... Sigh...

 

[magnifier661]

Ya know, I really wonder why these idiotic threads keep happening.... Sigh...

I think a lot of it is because of the major racial issues that have taken place in America.

 

[dviss1]

I think a lot of it is because of the major racial issues that have taken place in America.

These issues aren't new. There's just a 24 hour news cycle, twitter, facebook, instagram etc.

I'm really sick of debating these issues with people who don't have empathy. You guys should really stop posting them.
They aren't helping ANY of you garner any perspective....

 

[magnifier661]

These issues aren't new. There's just a 24 hour news cycle, twitter, facebook, instagram etc.

I'm really sick of debating these issues with people who don't have empathy. You guys should really stop posting them.
They aren't helping ANY of you garner any perspective....

Well, yeah???!!!! I remember the L.A. riots over 20 years ago. Obviously there have been many many more since man existed.

 

[magnifier661]

Defeating racism is by not being racist. You don't put out fires with high octane petrol.

 

[dviss1]

They teach that in universities too. So hypocritical. Especially in my woman's studies classes where they talked about being marginalized, yet they marginalized handicap people in class

Dude... Where's any of anyone's empathy in this forum? If your answer to someone expressing dissatisfaction with being marginalized starts with a "yeah but", you really shouldn't comment. Really...

Try seeing through a perspective BESIDES your own.

 

[magnifier661]

Dude... Where's any of anyone's empathy in this forum? If your answer to someone expressing dissatisfaction with being marginalized starts with a "yeah but", you really shouldn't comment. Really...

Try seeing through a perspective BESIDES your own.

I didn't get that. I read he's explaining that the woman's studies he goes to condones this type of thinking, yet marginalizes another class of people.

 

[donkiez]

These issues aren't new. There's just a 24 hour news cycle, twitter, facebook, instagram etc.

I'm really sick of debating these issues with people who don't have empathy. You guys should really stop posting them.
They aren't helping ANY of you garner any perspective....

I disagree, this is a new angle on the concept for me and I felt it was a good way to bring it up for discussion. There is a wide range of opinions on here and the anonymity of the internet is a good place to get honest opinions about sensitive subjects, and not have your friends or coworkers hate you. You don't have to participate but I usually enjoy your perspective so I hope you do.

 

[MARIS61]

The video girl is such a classic racist, and also a narcissist.

 

[dviss1]

I disagree, this is a new angle on the concept for me and I felt it was a good way to bring it up for discussion. There is a wide range of opinions on here and the anonymity of the internet is a good place to get honest opinions about sensitive subjects, and not have your friends or coworkers hate you. You don't have to participate but I usually enjoy your perspective so I hope you do.

This is what I'm talking about. You wouldn't know this is going on without the internet and people sitting in the comfort of their own homes, having the ability to say what they have felt all of their lives without dealing with the repercussions of others knowing about their racism. It's nothing new. We're just getting MORE of the info and getting it in a different way. I've experienced racism on a daily. Those that don't wouldn't' know.

It's not new and it's not more prominent. The amount of news and where the news is coming from is the difference.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I didn't get that. I read he's explaining that the woman's studies he goes to condones this type of thinking, yet marginalizes another class of people.

Correct mags. They went into how women should be able to abort handicap kids six months into a pregnancy if the odds are high the kid would be mentally stunted. Having had a brother for 14 years of my life, that passed away when he was 19 and was mentally handicap, I couldnt believe what o was hearing. They thought it would be better for themselves and the unborn baby if it was aborted. I came unglued and had to leave the classroom.

So maybe people shouldn't make comments without knowing my perspective either

 

[donkiez]

They teach that in universities too. So hypocritical. Especially in my woman's studies classes where they talked about being marginalized, yet they marginalized handicap people in class

Lol, this is where its coming from. My girl is taking a lot of those classes and is getting a little over the top with it. There is some credit to it though, especially for an overall social stand point. Some of the rhetoric though makes me feel diminished as an "oppressive white guy", when I feel like "hey Im on your side." Then there is programs like affirmative action that attempts to level the playing field, but instead will still lead to a company valuing race/sex when two candidates are supposedly equal, but in reality the minority might be the lesser candidate but full fills an HR gap. That seems a little counter productive and borderline discriminatory to me, even though I see the overall social value of it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Lol, this is where its coming from. My girl is taking a lot of those classes and is getting a little over the top with it. There is some credit to it though, especially for an overall social stand point. Some of the rhetoric though makes me feel diminished as an "oppressive white guy", when I feel like "hey Im on your side." Then there is programs like affirmative action that attempts to level the playing field, but instead will still lead to a company valuing race/sex when two candidates are supposedly equal, but in reality the minority might be the lesser candidate but full fills an HR gap. That seems a little counter productive and borderline discriminatory to me, even though I see the overall social value of it.

Completely agree. Went to a diversity conference for work and companies like target and Fred Meyer were talking about how they pay bonuses to managers that hire and maintain a certain number of minorities. I think having a diverse workplace is awesome. But the fact that bonuses are handed out for hiring and maintaining them, not only marginalizes them as humans, because frankly all the company seems to care about are statistics and public perception, but is also extremely unfair.

 

[riverman]

Sigh....

A better thought or statement would be How does racism effect White people Vs Black people. Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black. Louie CK sums it up nicely:

I love this bit...I think he hit it on the head when he said the N word is just a veiled get out of racism card.

 

[dviss1]

I didn't get that. I read he's explaining that the woman's studies he goes to condones this type of thinking, yet marginalizes another class of people.

I'm not talking about the video specifically. I'm speaking in general terms. When someone expresses marginalization, it's best to listen and empathize than to say "yeah but" about something you haven't experienced. Too often, and I get this mostly from white males, lots of which are in this forum, is yeah but. No... That's never the right way to respond IMHO.

Step in another's shoes and try to understand what they are complaining about. This goes a long way.

Too often, and this is the privilege that comes with not having to deal with racism. Honestly, when White people complain about racism, it's often met with an eyeroll because racism really doesn't effect them at all except by simply being irritated (please don't bring up affirmative action when Black unemployment is through the roof).

 

[donkiez]

This is what I'm talking about. You wouldn't know this is going on without the internet and people sitting in the comfort of their own homes, having the ability to say what they have felt all of their lives without dealing with the repercussions of others knowing about their racism. It's nothing new. We're just getting MORE of the info and getting it in a different way. I've experienced racism on a daily. Those that don't wouldn't' know.

It's not new and it's not more prominent. The amount of news and where the news is coming from is the difference.

I apologize if I offended you personally with this subject. I could have just as easily titled it "women can't be sexist", but I went with what I though would get more hits truthfully. FWIW, living in Tokyo as a tolerated minority was an interesting experience. By the way in Japan, white people cant be racist.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not talking about the video specifically. I'm speaking in general terms. When someone expresses marginalization, it's best to listen and empathize than to say "yeah but" about something you haven't experienced. Too often, and I get this mostly from white males, lots of which are in this forum, is yeah but. No... That's never the right way to respond IMHO.

Step in another's shoes and try to understand what they are complaining about. This goes a long way.

Too often, and this is the privilege that comes with not having to deal with racism. Honestly, when White people complain about racism, it's often met with an eyeroll because racism really doesn't effect them at all except by simply being irritated (please don't bring up affirmative action when Black unemployment is through the roof).

But you've been guilty of this when people talk about black on white crimes... I'm not just calling you out though. I'm sure I've been guilty of this as well.

 

[blue32]

Completely agree. Went to a diversity conference for work and companies like target and Fred Meyer were talking about how they pay bonuses to managers that hire and maintain a certain number of minorities. I think having a diverse workplace is awesome. But the fact that bonuses are handed out for hiring and maintaining them, not only marginalizes them as humans, because frankly all the company seems to care about are statistics and public perception, but is also extremely unfair.

That is fucked.. Those programs are fucking ass backwards.

And saying people that have no power (or can't extend power) can't be racist is a dangerous fucking prospect to even think about.

 

[Further]

It's absolutely absurd. If you single out a social group, that is absolutely racists. Asians hating blacks, blacks hating Mexicans, whites hating asians, white hating blacks all promote backward momentum in solving very tough social challenges in society. No one gets a pass

Well, the one pass I give is Jews get to hate ourselves.

 

[magnifier661]

Well, the one pass I give is Jews get to hate ourselves.

Omg lol

 

[Hobbesarable]

It's absolutely absurd. If you single out a social group, that is absolutely racists. Asians hating blacks, blacks hating Mexicans, whites hating asians, white hating blacks all promote backward momentum in solving very tough social challenges in society. No one gets a pass

I wish I could like this more than once, bro.

 

[magnifier661]

I wish I could like this more than once, bro.

Thanks brother!

 

[Natebishop3]

Sigh....

A better thought or statement would be How does racism effect White people Vs Black people. Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black. Louie CK sums it up nicely:

But why teach your kids that it's okay to be racist towards white people because it doesn't affect them the same way? It still promotes hatred. It still promotes bad feelings towards someone based entirely on the color of their skin.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nor can any minority, and women can't be sexist. Racism, sexism and other isms have to do with power and can't be extended to those without power. This is true and correct as I understand it, and explains some of the radical BLM people to me, but I don't like the overall message it brings. To me if a black person calls me a cracker then that's a racist remark and more than just a backwards thinking, offensive remark. If I call him a N then I'm being racist and backwards and offensive. Discuss.

Black people can be racist. Why not?

It has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with you thinking your "race" is superior to some other "race" (or races).