Black People can't be racist

[Hobbesarable]

But why teach your kids that it's okay to be racist towards white people because it doesn't affect them the same way? It still promotes hatred. It still promotes bad feelings towards someone based entirely on the color of their skin.

And run the risk of alienating those against racism.

 

[Natebishop3]

Black people can be racist. Why not?

It has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with you thinking your "race" is superior to some other "race" (or races).

Or maybe that your race has been victimized by some other race or races.

 

[Denny Crane]

Or maybe that your race has been victimized by some other race or races.

Being victimized doesn't mean you're racist or justified in being so.

White men can't jump. That's racial, not racist.

Person X is inferior because of his inferior breeding and blood. That's racist.



Superior... Inferior/Superior.

 

[Natebishop3]

Being victimized doesn't mean you're racist or justified in being so.

White men can't jump. That's racial, not racist.

Person X is inferior because of his inferior breeding and blood. That's racist.

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Superior... Inferior/Superior.

That seems like a very narrow scope of racism. What do you call discrimination based on the color of someone's skin?

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Black people can be racist. Why not?

It has nothing to do with power. It has everything to do with you thinking your "race" is superior to some other "race" (or races).

I've absolutely said that before and point blank was called a racist

 

[Denny Crane]

Anyhow, I think dviss1 is right that you really should try to empathize with women/black folks/whoever.

Imagine almost everything you see on TV and news and movies establishes a culture that isn't quite your own. No real relief from it.

It was a really big deal when McDonald's made their first commercial oriented toward black families. At the time, it was rare (or never) that you saw black faces in such things. A black person had to see white faces everywhere.

It goes way beyond this example. Imagine not getting a home loan because of the neighborhood the home is in, or the color of your skin. Happens all the time.

 

[Denny Crane]

That seems like a very narrow scope of racism. What do you call discrimination based on the color of someone's skin?

Discrimination.

That is an exercise of power for narrow minded reasons, but it isn't necessarily because the discrimination is for reasons of superiority or inferiority of "race."

 

[Further]

The general view that Blacks/women can't be racist or sexist is not prevelant in either group. But the point of view is often used to get noticed. I too was in an AA studies course about a decade ago and this topic was discussed. But not one student or teacher truly believed it, it was a jumping off point to discuss the effects of racism and how they disproportionately affect people. If you have been marginalized in society in the past, any new racism is added to a rich historical scaffolding that our current lives are built on.

Before I was 14 I never heard a Jewish slur and when I finally heard one it was out of context, had no meaning to me and simply seemed funny in a pathetic way. Over the next decade I heard several more slurs. Each time I got madder because context was being formed. Enough times and you realize there is a real community living among us that hates Jews.

Now I can extrapolate from my personal experience to being a Black person where instead of first hearing a slur at 14, you moght hear it at 5. Instead of hearing slurs 4 times in my life, I might hear the slurs dozens of times. And you see other Blacks often portrayed stereotypically in movies, TV and media. You see jails filled with othe blacks. You get pulled over more often and treated with more suspician by police than you white counterparts. The historical scaffolding is much greater, the history of dealing with racism is much greater. So when a Black person is subjected to racism it has a far greater effect than to a Jew or especially an average white male.

The racism is real and bad from both actors, but the effects are wildly disproportional. Same with women who constantly hear quips and statements about how they can't do something or don't belong in certain roles.

So yes, a Black person can be racist, but in most cases the effects are mild comparatively. Of course there are always egregious acts, violent ones, ones that hurt deeply, and those are felt tremendously from all recipients, but most more mild acts are simply not equatable just because the actions are similar (calling someone a cracker vs N-word). In both cases the original sentiment might be equal, but the effects are not.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Racism is racism, regardless of direction.

 

[Natebishop3]

Discrimination.

That is an exercise of power for narrow minded reasons, but it isn't necessarily because the discrimination is for reasons of superiority or inferiority of "race."

I guess I'm just confused. What if someone hates a particular race, not because they think they're superior but just because they don't like the stereotypes of that race? I think someone could have irrational hatred towards another race without necessarily feeling superior. What if it's jealousy? What if it's something like hating Muslims after 9/11 or hating Japanese after Pearl Harbor?

 

[dviss1]

I apologize if I offended you personally with this subject. I could have just as easily titled it "women can't be sexist", but I went with what I though would get more hits truthfully. FWIW, living in Tokyo as a tolerated minority was an interesting experience. By the way in Japan, white people cant be racist.

I'm not offended at all brother. I honestly haven't watched the video. I'm really sickened by stupid takes on lack of respect from other cultures. It's easy to show people respect. Ya know? There's no such thing as "having to be to PC". It's simply just showing respect to other cultures.

 

[magnifier661]

I guess I'm just confused. What if someone hates a particular race, not because they think they're superior but just because they don't like the stereotypes of that race? I think someone could have irrational hatred towards another race without necessarily feeling superior. What if it's jealousy? What if it's something like hating Muslims after 9/11 or hating Japanese after Pearl Harbor?

I think that's discrimination, which I believe is just as bad as racism.

EDIT: You know what? Fuck that! It is racist. Any hatred or animosity for any social class or race should not get a pass.

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess I'm just confused. What if someone hates a particular race, not because they think they're superior but just because they don't like the stereotypes of that race? I think someone could have irrational hatred towards another race without necessarily feeling superior. What if it's jealousy? What if it's something like hating Muslims after 9/11 or hating Japanese after Pearl Harbor?

That's racial in nature, not racist. And discrimination.

The problem, IMO, is people throwing around "racist" and "racism" when it isn't relevant or helpful.

I'm pretty sure that the problems facing black people that are outside their control are racial and (especially) discriminatory in nature. There are too many cases of outright racism, and those should be called out for what they are.

Consider "racial profiling" isn't called "racist profiling" though the effect is what some incorrectly call racist.

 

[dviss1]

But why teach your kids that it's okay to be racist towards white people because it doesn't affect them the same way? It still promotes hatred. It still promotes bad feelings towards someone based entirely on the color of their skin.

There is nothing in my statement that said this at all man.. Jesus... Get your mind right...

 

[Natebishop3]

I think that's discrimination, which I believe is just as bad as racism.

I don't think discrimination would fit that though. Obviously if they didn't serve someone food, or treated them differently, then yes I would agree. But what if it's just some irrational hatred? I always thought that would fall into racism.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think discrimination would fit that though. Obviously if they didn't serve someone food, or treated them differently, then yes I would agree. But what if it's just some irrational hatred? I always thought that would fall into racism.

Yeah, you replied before I posted my edit. Forget what I said

 

[Denny Crane]

What does dviss1 think of Ben Carson or Clarence Thomas?

I'm pretty sure he'll come up with a very hateful screed about the two. They're black. His screed is certain to be racially based, but not racist.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is nothing in my statement that said this at all man.. Jesus... Get your mind right...

You have kids, no?

And this is an opinion that you hold, correct? "Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black"

If you have an opinion or a belief, it's going to affect how your kids think or believe. So if you personally think that racism towards white people is not as bad as racism towards black people because it affects them differently, that's going to trickle down to your kids. It's that simple.

 

[magnifier661]

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Is this racists?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Sigh....

A better thought or statement would be How does racism effect White people Vs Black people. Sure we can be racist as hell BUT how does that Racism effect Whites as opposed to how it effects black. Louie CK sums it up nicely:

In contrast, white police officers dtinking slushees are being executed at gas stations.......so I thonk its fair to say there is an effect

 

[Mediocre Man]

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Is this racists?

Whats that of? Please tell me that little fuck and his friends are in juvenile detention

 

[magnifier661]

Whats that of? Please tell me that little fuck and his friends are in juvenile detention

It's in England, where they are having a real epidemic with Islamic Muslims and violence.

 

[MarAzul]

They aren't helping ANY of you garner any perspective

Ha! There you have it! The other guy needs perspective.

 

[dviss1]

It's absolutely absurd. If you single out a social group, that is absolutely racists. Asians hating blacks, blacks hating Mexicans, whites hating asians, white hating blacks all promote backward momentum in solving very tough social challenges in society. No one gets a pass

No one gets a pass. Racism is racism. Stamp it out. Eliminate it from our mindset. It's really not that hard. It's really just simply about respect.

What is annoying to me is how White people will complain about it and it's really not affecting their lives much. It's just a little annoying to hear the most powerful race on the planet complain about it when on the whole, it really doesn't have much of a negative affect on your upward mobility. Racism literally has an effect on our upward mobility as a whole.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's in England, where they are having a real epidemic with Islamic Muslims and violence.

Muslims stomping English or the other way?

 

[dviss1]

Ha! There you have it! The other guy needs perspective.

Like you have some... Jesus... It's always you for some reason who fails to even consider that racism can be happening. Of ANYONE in here you are the first to NEVER show any empathy. You say quit whining. Most in here at least empathize.. None from you...

 

[magnifier661]

No one gets a pass. Racism is racism. Stamp it out. Eliminate it from our mindset. It's really not that hard. It's really just simply about respect.

AMEN

What is annoying to me is how White people will complain about it and it's really not affecting their lives much. It's just a little annoying to hear the most powerful race on the planet complain about it when on the whole, it really doesn't have much of a negative affect on your upward mobility. Racism literally has an effect on our upward mobility as a whole.

Here is an example of you "Yeah but"

 

[magnifier661]

Muslims stomping English or the other way?

Muslims stomping English. Mainly it's muslims going around trying to enforce Sharia Law and beating people up.

 

[MarAzul]

None from you

Ha! Would it help if I said, "Sorry you are black"? Geez, I hope not! Fuck the empathy.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Muslims stomping English. Mainly it's muslims going around trying to enforce Sharia Law and beating people up.

Oh ok, so a simple fix would ba a bullet to the head.