Black People can't be racist (1 Viewer)

[MarAzul]

There is no equal opportunity without reparations.

Whites benefitted from free labor for centuries. If black slaves were freed and equal opportunity provided from day 1, whites started from that point with the huge advantage and blacks from centuries behind.

http://gawker.com/what-reparations-in-america-could-look-like-1633066247

The Pew Research Center estimates that white households are worth roughly 20 times as much as black households, and that whereas only 15 percent of whites have zero or negative wealth, more than a third of blacks do.

The income gap between black and white households is roughly the same today as it was in 1970. Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at New York University, studied children born from 1955 through 1970 and found that 4 percent of whites and 62 percent of blacks across America had been raised in poor neighborhoods. A generation later, the same study showed, virtually nothing had changed.

The latest census figures show that in 2013, the median black household earned just under $35,000, while the median white household earned more than $58,000. The black unemployment rate has been twice as high as the white unemployment rate for the past 50 years. These are not random economic fluctuations. When you enslave people, steal their labor, and then oppress them for countless generations afterwards, the economic effects persist.

How much do you think Dad and I owe? He wasn't here long but I guess he owes something. I been here a long time now, must be a big fucking bill by now.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yes I got that after I posted the reply. "Survivors" though I think is a key word.

It is still a precedent for paying reparations.

Germany has been paying reparations to holocaust survivors and their children since 1952, finding more people all the time to make payments to.

Another precedent, payments ongoing for the last 100 years by the government to Indians.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/10/u...ns-royalties-for-land-but-cant-find-them.html

 

[Denny Crane]

How much do you think Dad and I owe? He wasn't here long but I guess he owes something. I been here a long time now, must be a big fucking bill by now.

You owe your income taxes. The reparations are made from those funds, or bonds that are paid off with taxes.

 

[Natebishop3]

Reparations IS teaching them how to fish.

What?......

How is handing them a big check teaching them anything? How many people who win the lottery end up right back where they started? It's note even a racial issue. There are a ton of examples of people who won a big amount of money and blew it all on stupid shit. There are a ton of athletes who wasted millions of dollars and ended up poor. Why do you think that handing someone a lot of money is going to suddenly change anything?

What's the best case scenario? That they all reinvest that money into their local economy?

What's the worst? That a bunch of people quit their jobs, blow the money, and end up jobless and bankrupt? Then what?

 

[Denny Crane]

Absolutely.

You don't just give your kids wads of cash. They would blow through it in a second. You give them the tools to empower themselves to succeed.

I can't tell you how many times I've given my parents money to see it vanish. Giving people money enables them and doesn't set them up for long term success. Access to college, or improving the neighborhoods would absolutely do so

It enables them to buy banks.

I suggested $6T, which would buy 10 companies the size of Apple, roughly.

Giving people significant money is life changing, which is the point.

And as i said, once paid, there is nommore excuse to complain about society's ills. They can go buy their own society.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

They'd be reeee itch beeeee itch.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

It enables them to buy banks.

I suggested $6T, which would buy 10 companies the size of Apple, roughly.

Giving people significant money is life changing, which is the point.

And as i said, once paid, there is nommore excuse to complain about society's ills. They can go buy their own society.

Until they blow it and want more.

Teach them and set them up for success. don't hemorrhage more money where it's conceivable some.of the people.will blow it.

 

[Denny Crane]

What?......

How is handing them a big check teaching them anything? How many people who win the lottery end up right back where they started? It's note even a racial issue. There are a ton of examples of people who won a big amount of money and blew it all on stupid shit. There are a ton of athletes who wasted millions of dollars and ended up poor. Why do you think that handing someone a lot of money is going to suddenly change anything?

What's the best case scenario? That they all reinvest that money into their local economy?

What's the worst? That a bunch of people quit their jobs, blow the money, and end up jobless and bankrupt? Then what?

You're looking for excuses to not do the right thing.

If people blow their money, so be it. They should have the chance to blow it on drugs and hookers, or use it for capital formation. It doesn't take a big % to be successes to radically change the landscape for the better.

 

[Natebishop3]

It enables them to buy banks.

I suggested $6T, which would buy 10 companies the size of Apple, roughly.

Giving people significant money is life changing, which is the point.

And as i said, once paid, there is nommore excuse to complain about society's ills. They can go buy their own society.

How does that work? Is there an elected board that spends the money? Are you hoping that they do something like the Indians with their casinos?

If you dole out the money, I promise that a lot of it will go to cars, houses, tv's, and god knows what else because that's what a lot of people would do.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

so am I but I don't take advantage of it.

Neither do I,because I don't deserve it. There is no point for me to benefit from that, my heritage there has literally not affected anything in my life to make it warranted that I should have the feds foot the bill for me

 

[Denny Crane]

Until they blow it and want more.

Teach them and set them up for success. don't hemorrhage more money where it's conceivable some.of the people.will blow it.

They don't get more.

Thevdebt is paid in full. No more debt.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

They don't get more.

Thevdebt is paid in full. No more debt.

Puhhlleeasseee. Easier said than done.

 

[Denny Crane]

How does that work? Is there an elected board that spends the money? Are you hoping that they do something like the Indians with their casinos?

If you dole out the money, I promise that a lot of it will go to cars, houses, tv's, and god knows what else because that's what a lot of people would do.

So what! The things you list are things you might already have but they don't.

I honestly don't care what they choose to spend it on. It is their chance to be made whole.

 

[Natebishop3]

You're looking for excuses to not do the right thing.

If people blow their money, so be it. They should have the chance to blow it on drugs and hookers, or use it for capital formation. It doesn't take a big % to be successes to radically change the landscape for the better.

No, you're throwing thing out like how this would "create equal opportunity" and how it's going to "teach them how to fish."

Now you're essentially saying "give them the money and who cares if they blow it on hookers and drugs." You can't have it both ways. You either believe that it would help people and uplift a generation so that they can become equal, OR you think they just deserve the money and fuck it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Puhhlleeasseee. Easier said than done.

The debt is what the debt is. The indians arent getting more than the settlement amounts, nor are the japanese, nor are the holocaust survivors.

it really is that easy.

 

[MarAzul]

You owe your income taxes. The reparations are made from those funds, or bonds that are paid off with taxes.

OK. As long as it passes as a Constitutional Amendment. How would you like to word it? I Can't quite identify with the 375000 or so slave holders that did this despicable deed, long before
me or my progenitors arrived here.
Perhaps a clear, concise and compelling reason in the form of an amendment could change my view.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

No, you're throwing thing out like how this would "create equal opportunity" and how it's going to "teach them how to fish."

Now you're essentially saying "give them the money and who cares if they blow it on hookers and drugs." You can't have it both ways. You either believe that it would help people and uplift a generation so that they can become equal, OR you think they just deserve the money and fuck it.

So goes the conversations when you have Denny on one of his crusades

 

[Denny Crane]

No, you're throwing thing out like how this would "create equal opportunity" and how it's going to "teach them how to fish."

Now you're essentially saying "give them the money and who cares if they blow it on hookers and drugs." You can't have it both ways. You either believe that it would help people and uplift a generation so that they can become equal, OR you think they just deserve the money and fuck it.

The money is their equal opportunity, finally.

Like I said, it doesn't take but a small % to succeed to radically improve the lives of them all. And the rest of us.

Reparations by definition are the remedy for a wrong done to these people.

 

[Denny Crane]

OK. As long as it passes as a Constitutional Amendment. How would you like to word it? I Can't quite identify with the 375000 or so slave holders that did this despicable deed, long before
me or my progenitors arrived here.
Perhaps a clear, concise and compelling reason in the form of an amendment could change my view.

No amendment is required.

 

[Natebishop3]

The money is their equal opportunity, finally.

Like I said, it doesn't take but a small % to succeed to radically improve the lives of them all. And the rest of us.

Reparations by definition are the remedy for a wrong done to these people.

Okay, so where do the slavers fall into all this? How about the countries that allowed this all to happen? The tribes that captured the people in the first place? Where they do fit? Can we bill them for part of this?

 

[e_blazer]

If you're going to do it, the top 1 percenters, who have benefited more than any group, should pay out of their assets, not their income. Problem solved.

 

[MarAzul]

No amendment is required.

It is here.
The wrongs recorded in history are many, but none are listed as the business of Congress or the Federal government.
We had an amendment making them citizens. Seem logical to have an amendment to make them rich.

 

[Denny Crane]

Okay, so where do the slavers fall into all this? How about the countries that allowed this all to happen? The tribes that captured the people in the first place? Where they do fit? Can we bill them for part of this?

The government is the responsible party. They allowed it.

If other nations want to pay reparations, too, great! We don't have much of a say in those sorts of things.

Equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results.

The white people were given 40 acres and a mule, homestead rights, etc. Few of those families still hold the land. As an aggregate, the wealth and net worth of the country has grown massively. A large part of that due to free labor at the expense of blacks.

There never has been equal opportunity. The money is how legal systems make people whole.

 

[Denny Crane]

It is here.
The wrongs recorded in history are many, but none are listed as the business of Congress or the Federal government.
We had an amendment making them citizens. Seem logical to have an amendment to make them rich.

There are a number of things in the constitution that support reparations. Including the government having the right to pay debts as well as the 13th amendment.

 

[MarAzul]

There are a number of things in the constitution that support reparations. Including the government having the right to pay debts as well as the 13th amendment.

Funny you mention the 13th. Yes Slavery has been outlawed, but you know, making a man pay for a wrong in which he had no part does smack of involuntary servitude.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

How deep should we go Denny? Someone that has 1/100th of African blood in the US? How do we find out if someone was here when slavery happened?

 

[Natebishop3]

The authors divided past lottery winners into two separate groups: Those who had won cash prizes between $50,000 and $150,000, and those who had won $10,000 or less. What they found is that those who had won the more sizable sums were more likely to have filed for bankruptcy five years later. Similar research from the National Endowment for Financial Education estimates that 70 percent of people who had unexpectedly come into large sums of money ended up broke within seven years.

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/riches-rags-why-most-lottery-winners-end-broke-180227163.html

70% of people who come into large sums of money end up broke with SEVEN YEARS. What if your plan actually causes much more harm than it does good?

 

[Denny Crane]

https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/riches-rags-why-most-lottery-winners-end-broke-180227163.html

70% of people who come into large sums of money end up broke with SEVEN YEARS. What if your plan actually causes much more harm than it does good?

30% success compared to ZERO.

Equal opportunity doesn't guarantee equal results.

30% success rate is huge. About 12,000,000 people.

 

[Denny Crane]

How deep should we go Denny? Someone that has 1/100th of African blood in the US? How do we find out if someone was here when slavery happened?

If you can't trace your ancestry to slaves, you don't qualify.

It isn't as difficult as you want it to be.

 

[Denny Crane]

Funny you mention the 13th. Yes Slavery has been outlawed, but you know, making a man pay for a wrong in which he had no part does smack of involuntary servitude.

Read 13th section 2.