Black People can't be racist

[MarAzul]

Read 13th section 2.

I have.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If you can't trace your ancestry to slaves, you don't qualify.

It isn't as difficult as you want it to be.

Sweet. So even if I'm a white person but had 1/1000th of blood that traced back to slaves, I'm bout to get paid bruh

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Denny, so you're on board with me getting federally subsidized healthcare, even though I look white, because I'm 1/8th native American? I literally have to do nothing, but reap the sweet sweet benefits.

 

[Denny Crane]

Sweet. So even if I'm a white person but had 1/1000th of blood that traced back to slaves, I'm bout to get paid bruh

The Hawaiian schools define a native to be at least 1/8th. Fine with me.

 

[riverman]

I think scholastic achievement should have monetary gain incentive. I used to pay my son 10 bucks for an A on a report card, he liked money and became an A student with a scholarship..then went on to become an honor student in college. Now he gets bonus money working as a chiropractic assistant for doing good work. If we rewarded success in education, I could see startup grants for graduating high school with decent grades, graduating college with decent grades or trade school, etc..but have work rewarded, not given for dropping out of school for example. Small business loans or low cost housing loans for young people making the effort. In labor or manufacturing you could have housing at rates that reflect the hours you work instead of flat rates...more productive you are, cheaper your rent. Trade money for time and time for money

 

[Denny Crane]

Denny, so you're on board with me getting federally subsidized healthcare, even though I look white, because I'm 1/8th native American? I literally have to do nothing, but reap the sweet sweet benefits.

If the government owes you, it owes you.

I have no beef with the government providing healthcare on that kind of limited basis.

 

[riverman]

I always thought straight sales tax should pay for health care. If you have more expendable income and buy more shit..you pay into the healthcare system. Oregon has really dropped the ball on sales tax. First though, we need TORT reform!

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

I always thought straight sales tax should pay for health care. If you have more expendable income and buy more shit..you pay into the healthcare system. Oregon has really dropped the ball on sales tax. First though, we need TORT reform!

Oregonian actually had a ln article today saying Oregon has the second most fair tax system of all 50 states. Washington, a sales tax state, was one of the least fair

 

[riverman]

Oregonian actually had a ln article today saying Oregon has the second most fair tax system of all 50 states. Washington, a sales tax state, was one of the least fair

It's really fair if you're a tourist or don't own property, then you just pay nothing here. From my understanding,unless you own land, smoke, drink gamble or buy gasoline...you get a free ride from sales tax.

 

[Natebishop3]

30% success compared to ZERO.

Equal opportunity doesn't guarantee equal results.

30% success rate is huge. About 12,000,000 people.

That's assuming that 100% of blacks in America are bad off. So if 70% of ALL people who come into an unexpected windfall end up broke, you could potentially set back 70% of ALL black people in this country.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

If the government owes you, it owes you.

I have no beef with the government providing healthcare on that kind of limited basis.

I disagree. I'm owed nothing. I look white. It has affected me in no ways. It would be a waste of taxpayer dollars for me to get free healthcare. Instead, I worked my ass off to get employer paid healthcare so Im not being a drain on the system that literally owes me personally, nothing.

 

[riverman]

I disagree. I'm owed nothing. I look white. It has affected me in no ways. It would be a waste of taxpayer dollars for me to get free healthcare. Instead, I worked my ass off to get employer paid healthcare so Im not being a drain on the system that literally owes me personally, nothing.

I have that same value system and can relate to that..I've skirted veteran benefits as well because there are a lot more needy vets and it's a waiting list as it is

 

[Denny Crane]

That's assuming that 100% of blacks in America are bad off. So if 70% of ALL people who come into an unexpected windfall end up broke, you could potentially set back 70% of ALL black people in this country.

Let the chips fall as they may.

Maybe your great great grandfather scored land for free via homestead. Somewhere along the way, that land got sold off in pieces, each generation benefited from use of the land or the money.

Reparations are the next best thing for the generations that were denied that chance due to the color of their skin, descendents of slaves, Jim Crow, ad infinitum.

 

[Denny Crane]

I disagree. I'm owed nothing. I look white. It has affected me in no ways. It would be a waste of taxpayer dollars for me to get free healthcare. Instead, I worked my ass off to get employer paid healthcare so Im not being a drain on the system that literally owes me personally, nothing.

Good for you.

If the government made a deal with your tribe, it owes you.

Good for you, too.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Good for you.

If the government made a deal with your tribe, it owes you.

Good for you, too.

It did. Hence free healthcare. But I'll pass. It's called meaning more to me by working for it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Let the chips fall as they may.

Maybe your great great grandfather scored land for free via homestead. Somewhere along the way, that land got sold off in pieces, each generation benefited from use of the land or the money.

Reparations are the next best thing for the generations that were denied that chance due to the color of their skin, descendents of slaves, Jim Crow, ad infinitum.

http://blackdemographics.com/households/poverty/

According to this site, the poverty rate for all blacks in the US is 28%. That means that 72% of blacks in America are NOT below the poverty line. But if the rate at which people will go broke is 70%, that means that you could potentially flip those numbers. We could be looking at 30% of blacks in the United States well off, and 70% below the poverty line. You don't see anything wrong with that?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://blackdemographics.com/households/poverty/

According to this site, the poverty rate for all blacks in the US is 28%. That means that 72% of blacks in America are NOT below the poverty line. But if the rate at which people will go broke is 70%, that means that you could potentially flip those numbers. We could be looking at 30% of blacks in the United States well off, and 70% below the poverty line. You don't see anything wrong with that?

If. We could be. Potentaially.

Doom. Gloom.

There is no equal opportunity without reparations.

Whites benefitted from free labor for centuries. If black slaves were freed and equal opportunity provided from day 1, whites started from that point with the huge advantage and blacks from centuries behind.

http://gawker.com/what-reparations-in-america-could-look-like-1633066247

The Pew Research Center estimates that white households are worth roughly 20 times as much as black households, and that whereas only 15 percent of whites have zero or negative wealth, more than a third of blacks do.

The income gap between black and white households is roughly the same today as it was in 1970. Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at New York University, studied children born from 1955 through 1970 and found that 4 percent of whites and 62 percent of blacks across America had been raised in poor neighborhoods. A generation later, the same study showed, virtually nothing had changed.

The latest census figures show that in 2013, the median black household earned just under $35,000, while the median white household earned more than $58,000. The black unemployment rate has been twice as high as the white unemployment rate for the past 50 years. These are not random economic fluctuations. When you enslave people, steal their labor, and then oppress them for countless generations afterwards, the economic effects persist.

 

[riverman]

In this country in 2015 there just should not be such a thing as a poverty line

 

[Denny Crane]

^^^. The issue isn't just poverty, it is also posterity.

To be clear, "median income" means 50% make more, 50% make less.

Half of the black households make $35,000 or less.

Half of the white households make at least $58,000.

 

[Natebishop3]

If. We could be. Potentaially.

Doom. Gloom.

Yup. And rushing into Iraq worked like a charm for those people, didn't it? How's the Middle East doing right now?

Sometimes just rushing in and throwing money at something doesn't fix anything. In fact, sometimes it makes it a million times worse. Or I guess you could just fly over cities like Detroit and just dump buckets of money out the window. That might fix things.

 

[Denny Crane]

Yup. And rushing into Iraq worked like a charm for those people, didn't it? How's the Middle East doing right now?

Sometimes just rushing in and throwing money at something doesn't fix anything. In fact, sometimes it makes it a million times worse. Or I guess you could just fly over cities like Detroit and just dump buckets of money out the window. That might fix things.

Iraq?

WTF.

Non sequitur at best.

Things don't get better if you do nothing, or keep doing what demonstrably isn't working.

 

[Natebishop3]

Iraq?

WTF.

Non sequitur at best.

Things don't get better if you do nothing, or keep doing what demonstrably isn't working.

How is it a non sequitur? My point is that our government unilaterally decided to act. They rushed in without getting all the facts or considering the long term effects of their actions. We went in with the idea that we were going to improve people's lives. We spent 1.7 trillion in Iraq. Is that place any better?

You just want to throw a bunch of money at the problem and let the chips fall where they may.

I didn't say "do nothing." I said put that money into infrastructure. Put it into education. Put it in places that actually better peoples lives long term. Our education system is abysmal. Our roads are falling apart. There's an extreme divide between the poor and the rich, and it's growing.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Hey, if we want to talk fairy tales and throw out ideas of things that are never going to happen...how about this. I'd say the few slave owner families you can find pay EVERYONE reparations. If those evil fuckers hadn't owned people there might have been more innovation needed for society to progress.

Therefore, I might be fixing flying cars today instead of regular cars.

4k tv? Pfft!!!! We'd have implants in our skulls so everything looked real. I'd be banging 20 year old Pamela Anderson any night I want and it would seem 100 percent real.

Back to the absurd 6 or 14 trillion, let's make it 50 trillion since we can just print as much monopoly money as we want anyway. Sure, we'll be burning it to stay warm but who gives a shit?

 

[Denny Crane]

Hey, if we want to talk fairy tales and throw out ideas of things that are never going to happen...how about this. I'd say the few slave owner families you can find pay EVERYONE reparations. If those evil fuckers hadn't owned people there might have been more innovation needed for society to progress.

Therefore, I might be fixing flying cars today instead of regular cars.

4k tv? Pfft!!!! We'd have implants in our skulls so everything looked real. I'd be banging 20 year old Pamela Anderson any night I want and it would seem 100 percent real.

Back to the absurd 6 or 14 trillion, let's make it 50 trillion since we can just print as much monopoly money as we want anyway. Sure, we'll be burning it to stay warm but who gives a shit?

Obama printed about $4T and borrowed another $8T.

Clearly we had the opportunity.

 

[riverman]

I'm all for spending more money here, in our cities and parks and waters than maintaining rockpiles in Korea and Afghanistan...I want infrastructure reform and if that includes rebuilding Detroit..I'm all for it

 

[riverman]

Hey, if we want to talk fairy tales and throw out ideas of things that are never going to happen...how about this. I'd say the few slave owner families you can find pay EVERYONE reparations. If those evil fuckers hadn't owned people there might have been more innovation needed for society to progress.

Therefore, I might be fixing flying cars today instead of regular cars.

4k tv? Pfft!!!! We'd have implants in our skulls so everything looked real. I'd be banging 20 year old Pamela Anderson any night I want and it would seem 100 percent real.

Back to the absurd 6 or 14 trillion, let's make it 50 trillion since we can just print as much monopoly money as we want anyway. Sure, we'll be burning it to stay warm but who gives a shit?

You could still become an airplane mechanic, they exist! The Pamela Anderson might be a tough one though

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

^^^. The issue isn't just poverty, it is also posterity.

To be clear, "median income" means 50% make more, 50% make less.

Half of the black households make $35,000 or less.

Half of the white households make at least $58,000.

And Asians make even more. Was it from the Japanese reparations?

 

[Denny Crane]

It is unfortunate that this bank failed. They did a lot of real good.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...shorebank-20100820_1_fdic-assets-david-vitale

Still, ShoreBank's failure is seen as a setback for community banking, and some people familiar with its operations say they don't expect that business model to continue. From its beginning in 1973, ShoreBank's mission was to revitalize declining, mostly black Chicago neighborhoods. Redlining and other discriminatory practices had taken a toll on communities such as South Shore, and the bank set out to prove that reinvestment could help revitalize communities. That strategy worked for a long while.

But then the recession claimed many of its borrowers' jobs, which meant they couldn't keep up payments on their mortgages and loans. Until the recession, ShoreBank had been profitable, its officials have said.

Community banking. That's the kind of thing reparations would make really vital. Even if only 30% manage to keep their money.

 

[riverman]

And Asians make even more. Was it from the Japanese reparations?

For some it could have very well been

 

[Denny Crane]

And Asians make even more. Was it from the Japanese reparations?

What do you think?