OT Black teen ran out with a $2 beer. Then a Tennessee store clerk followed him and shot him dead

[MarAzul]

No. It has nothing do with my morality. It's about following the law and common sense.

It didn't happen, did it?

 

[Lanny]

(CNN)A jury found a grocery clerk guilty of killing a 17-year-old boy who ran out of the store with a beer he didn't pay for in Memphis, Tennessee, in a case that had sparked protests, authorities said.

Anwar Ghazali was convicted of second-degree murder after a four-day trial, Shelby County District Attorney General Amy Weirich said Friday.

"This defendant took it upon himself to be the judge and jury and the executioner over a $2 beer," prosecutor Lora Fowler said, according to CNN affiliate WMC.

The shooting happened in March 2018, after Dorian Harris walked out of the Top Stop Shop with a beer without paying, Weirich said.

Security video of the incident played in court shows that Ghazali, while behind the counter dealing with another customer, pulled out a handgun and pointed it at Harris. He then ran outside to follow the teen and fired several times.

Afterward, he returned to the store and told a witness, "I think I shot him." He did not call the police, and neither did any other customer inside the store, WMC reported.

Harris was shot at least three times and was left to bleed out, Fowler said. His body was found two days later in a yard near the store with gunshots in the back of his thigh, Weirich said.

Ghazali's defense attorney, Blake Ballin, told CNN in an email that Ghazali maintains he acted recklessly that night but his intention was never to harm Harris.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/17/us/grocery-clerk-convicted-killing-teen-beer-trnd/index.html

Kind of harsh punishment for a teenager steeling a beer. Probably the first time a teenager ever wanted a beer that bad. Also, I'm gonna guess the kid was Black so he deserved it. snicker

 

[Hobbesarable]

Good. The jury convicted Judge Dredd wannabe.

Stealing is wrong and is punishable by due process. Owner decided to skip that part. He found out you don't want to do that in this country.

 

[ABM]

Could have stopped at don't be stealing

The list goes on. Don't flip off the guy who cut you off on the highway. Road rage is out there.

 

[Mediocre Man]

The list goes on. Don't flip off the guy who cut you off on the highway. Road rage is out there.

Flipping someone off isn't a crime

 

[ABM]

Flipping someone off isn't a crime

Dude, I understand that. What I'm saying is, there are some very angry people out there....including store owners, drivers, the like. In other words, don't do something that may provoke another, whom you have no idea how they'll respond. Does this make the store owner justified in his actions? Absolutely not.

 

[Lanny]

Flipping someone off isn't a crime

What's that got to do with it?
ABM was talking about pissing off a demented person who might take violent exception. This is not an issue of legality but rather reality.

 

[Mediocre Man]

What's that got to do with it?
ABM was talking about pissing off a demented person who might take violent exception. This is not an issue of legality but rather reality.

I wonder if the person who stole something would be alive had he flipped him off instead?

 

[Lanny]

I wonder if the person who stole something would be alive had he flipped him off instead?

I don't understand your scenario.

 

[barfo]

I don't understand your scenario.

Abstinence technique.

It's like praying whenever you think of masturbating.

Whenever you think of stealing a beer from a 7-11, flip the cashier off instead.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Abstinence technique.

It's like praying whenever you think of masturbating.

Whenever you think of stealing a beer from a 7-11, flip the cashier off instead.

barfo

What kind of thinking is that?
It was teenager wanting a beer. Okay, he was probably the first teenager in history who ever wanted a beer so bad that he considered liberating it himself. Whoops, I seem to recall every kid I ever knew who would stoop to lifting a can of beer if the opportunity presented itself. Perhaps Mediocre Man didn't realize the thief was a teenager acting like nearly every other teenager.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't understand your scenario.

The guy who shot him should be in jail. My point is, the thief may not be dead today had he not stolen anything

 

[Lanny]

The guy who shot him should be in jail. My point is, the thief may not be dead today had he not stolen anything

And my counter point is that he was a teenager.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Both made a shitty choice with extreme consequences. Their own fault. Both.

 

[ABM]

Abstinence technique.

It's like praying whenever you think of masturbating.

Whenever you think of stealing a beer from a 7-11, flip the cashier off instead.

barfo

Awesome. I'm going to submit your idea to the NRA.

 

[MARIS61]

Shot in the thighs? Probably would have lived with medical attention. Instead bled to death.

The thigh is home to the femoral artery, and is typically a fatal wound if the artery is hit.

 

[MarAzul]

What kind of thinking is that?
It was teenager wanting a beer. Okay, he was probably the first teenager in history who ever wanted a beer so bad that he considered liberating it himself. Whoops, I seem to recall every kid I ever knew who would stoop to lifting a can of beer if the opportunity presented itself. Perhaps Mediocre Man didn't realize the thief was a teenager acting like nearly every other teenager.

Baloney! I never knew anyone stealing beer. You make it sound like a right of the youth!

 

[CupWizier]

Baloney! I never knew anyone stealing beer. You make it sound like a right of the youth!

Great, next one might be a little 8 year old boy stealing some bubble gum. Should he be chased down, shot and killed? People do stupid things all the time so should they all lose their life over it? In this case, there was no harm to anyone to have a life lost because of it. Glad the shooter was arrested. He could have easily missed and possibly shot and killed an innocent person as well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

And my counter point is that he was a teenager.

So?

 

[Lanny]

So?

So, teenagers make insignificant mistakes all the time. A teenager stealing a beer can't be all that rare. We don't kill kids for making little errors in judgement. Do we now brand a teenager for theft of a beer? No, the fault lies with the killer who might shoot someone for spitting on the sidewalk, another error of insignificant importance.

 

[Mediocre Man]

So, teenagers make insignificant mistakes all the time. A teenager stealing a beer can't be all that rare. We don't kill kids for making little errors in judgement. Do we now brand a teenager for theft of a beer? No, the fault lies with the killer who might shoot someone for spitting on the sidewalk, another error of insignificant importance.

So it's ok to commit a crime as long as you are young

 

[Lanny]

So it's ok to commit a crime as long as you are young

Depends on the crime, obviously. And I never said it was okay, I said it wasn't worth getting all riled up about if the crime was trivial.
Why do I have to explain this in detail? You're an adult, you should already know this.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Depends on the crime, obviously. And I never said it was okay, I said it wasn't worth getting all riled up about if the crime was trivial.
Why do I have to explain this in detail? You're an adult, you should already know this.

He shouldn't have been shot, but at 17 he should know better

 

[Lanny]

He shouldn't have been shot, but at 17 he should know better

Of course. But he's just a teenager and we make allowances for teens doing dumb stuff. Had he been arrested and convicted his record would have been expunged when he reached 18. And why? Because his conviction would have been trivial. Taking his life was not trivial.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why do people keep making this point that "he didn't deserve to die; the guy shouldn't have shot him"? OBVIOUSLY he didn't deserve to die. OBVIOUSLY the guy shouldn't have shot him. That is why he was convicted of murder.

• The kid should not have stolen
• The store owner should not have shot him

Both things are simultaneously true. What is the value in acting like one is a counter-point to the other? Is it really that hard to simply all agree that it's a tragedy that the teen lost his life, and that it's justice that the shooter was convicted? Is any of that disputable?

 

[CupWizier]

So it's ok to commit a crime as long as you are young

who said it was ok to commit a crime? Are you saying it's ok to shoot and kill someone if your life isn't threatened and someone stole a $2 item from you? The punishment should fit the crime, not it's ok to shoot and kill someone for stealing $2.

 

[barfo]

Why do people keep making this point that "he didn't deserve to die; the guy shouldn't have shot him"? OBVIOUSLY he didn't deserve to die. OBVIOUSLY the guy shouldn't have shot him. That is why he was convicted of murder.

• The kid should not have stolen
• The store owner should not have shot him

Both things are simultaneously true. What is the value in acting like one is a counter-point to the other? Is it really that hard to simply all agree that it's a tragedy that the teen lost his life, and that it's justice that the shooter was convicted? Is any of that disputable?

But dad, he started it!

barfo

 

[PtldPlatypus]

But dad, he started it!

barfo

And I'm finishing it!!

 

[barfo]

And I'm finishing it!!

You're not really turning the car around, are you? We wanted to go to Disneyland!

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

And I'm finishing it!!

The threads not locked though. So really Im finishing it.