Blake Griffin- buyout candidate

[Scalma]

fun fact. Dame has played nearly 1500 more minutes in his career (reg season + playoffs) than Blake, even if he was drafted 3 yrs later.

also

Lolol should be odds of getting traded: 0-5%. Griffin knows what asking out means. He’s not (or his agent) dumb. They know a buyout is the most realistic. He’s probably prepared to give up money to make it happen.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Lolol should be odds of getting traded: 0-5%. Griffin knows what asking out means. He’s not (or his agent) dumb. They know a buyout is the most realistic. He’s probably prepared to give up money to make it happen.

I wonder how much money is he willing to give up. He has a player option next year for 39 million. I assume that is Detroit's biggest worry. Blake will probably get most of this year's 37 million. Still, if I am Blake that 39 million would be hard to walk away from.

 

[illmatic99]

I wonder how much money is he willing to give up. He has a player option next year for 39 million. I assume that is Detroit's biggest worry. Blake will probably get most of this year's 37 million. Still, if I am Blake that 39 million would be hard to walk away from.

And don't forget that his market rate in the subsequent free agency season will be forever diminished after taking a minimum now. Melo and Kanter know a thing or two about that.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I don’t want Griffin, Love or LMA.

 

[Natebishop3]

Who is realistically better at this point? Melo or Griffin? I think probably Melo.

 

[Natebishop3]

 

[Scalma]

I wonder how much money is he willing to give up. He has a player option next year for 39 million. I assume that is Detroit's biggest worry. Blake will probably get most of this year's 37 million. Still, if I am Blake that 39 million would be hard to walk away from.

my guess is he will end up walking away from it. If all he cared about was getting his money he would just stay in Detroit. And maybe he still will, because if he doesn’t already know a trade is highly unlikely, he’ll most likely find out.

 

[Scalma]

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It’s pointless to bring up his stats because any team acquiring him isn’t acquiring him for what he’s doing in Detroit this season. Everyone knows his numbers are trash. The real question is whether it’s a physical issue or just a “I play on a shit team” one ala Batum.

People bring up the fact that he hasn’t dunked in a year or whatever, but he adapted to a below the rim game years ago, so that’s really not enough to confirm that he’s washed imo.

 

[Natebishop3]

It’s pointless to bring up his stats because any team acquiring him isn’t acquiring him for what he’s doing in Detroit this season. Everyone knows his numbers are trash. The real question is whether it’s a physical issue or just a “I play on a shit team” one ala Batum.

People bring up the fact that he hasn’t dunked in a year or whatever, but he’s adapted to a below the rim game years ago, so that’s not enough to confirm that he’s washed imo.

The numbers are important because they're basically the same player at this point. So where do you play Griffin? Do you start him? Move RoCo to the three? His defense is shit, so at that point you might as well just start Melo.

 

[illmatic99]

It’s pointless to bring up his stats because any team acquiring him isn’t acquiring him for what he’s doing in Detroit this season. Everyone knows his numbers are trash. The real question is whether it’s a physical issue or just a “I play on a shit team” one ala Batum.

People bring up the fact that he hasn’t dunked in a year or whatever, but he adapted to a below the rim game years ago, so that’s really not enough to confirm that he’s washed imo.

batum is a great comparison.

 

[bigbailes]

The numbers are important because they're basically the same player at this point. So where do you play Griffin? Do you start him? Move RoCo to the three? His defense is shit, so at that point you might as well just start Melo.

That's my thing, he looks like a lesser version of Melo, so why in the world would anyone want him on this team? Even if you want to say his numbers are down because it's Detroit and he isn't motivated, then that's an even bigger red flag. If the Blazers have one move to make, this one isn't it.

 

[Scalma]

The numbers are important because they're basically the same player at this point. So where do you play Griffin? Do you start him? Move RoCo to the three? His defense is shit, so at that point you might as well just start Melo.

they’re not the same player. One guy can create for others consistently. The other is a ball stopper. Pretty big contrast.

assuming Blake isn’t washed up physically (big assumption but possible) I would start him at the four and run plays through him the way golden state runs stuff through draymond. Having a primary screener be such a good playmaker is a weapon considering how teams STILL trap the fuck out of dame.

 

[Natebishop3]

they’re not the same player. One guy can create for others consistently. The other is a ball stopper. Pretty big contrast.

Aside from passing, they're the same player. Neither one can play defense, but Melo seems to be in better physical shape and at least tries on defense.

Melo is the better scorer at this stage. So you can't start Blake for the same reasons you can't start Melo. They're both shitty defenders. They're both past their prime. Passing just isn't enough for me to warrant starting the guy.

 

[Minstrel]

Griffin is better for greasing the offensive flow and ball movement. Melo is better for improving the floor spacing. Both are going to give you nothing on the defensive end. I think they're about equally valuable, so it just depends on whether you need more ball distribution or shooting. If CJ were healthy and Covington and Hood were hitting from deep, I'd probably go with Griffin. As it stands, Melo is probably more valuable to the current Blazers (though it pains me to say it).

 

[blazedanugz]

He’s a great playmaker.
I wouldnt look at his 12 ppg. Yes he’s lost athleticism but I think this is a classic “I play for a shitty team so I’m not gonna try hard” situation. He would be great if it was a buyout situation

 

[Scalma]

Griffin is better for greasing the offensive flow and ball movement. Melo is better for improving the floor spacing. Both are going to give you nothing on the defensive end. I think they're about equally valuable, so it just depends on whether you need more ball distribution or shooting. If CJ were healthy and Covington and Hood were hitting from deep, I'd probably go with Griffin. As it stands, Melo is probably more valuable to the current Blazers (though it pains me to say it).

Even the floor spacing is equal, as teams don’t leave Blake open anymore. His percentages are affected by the volume of pull ups. If you look at his splits, he’s shot over 35% the past three seasons in catch and shoot situations. Even this year, he’s at 35%. If you put him in Portland’s system as a complimentary piece where there’s more catch and shoot and fewer pull ups, his percentages should rise. Less responsibility will most likely equal more efficiency.

He’s not longer the star he once was, but he can still help a team, and his skill set is something Portland could use. (Yes it’s all health permitting)

 

[blazerkor]

Even the floor spacing is equal, as teams don’t leave Blake open anymore. His percentages are affected by the volume of pull ups. If you look at his splits, he’s shot over 35% the past three seasons in catch and shoot situations. Even this year, he’s at 35%. If you put him in Portland’s system as a complimentary piece where there’s more catch and shoot and fewer pull ups, his percentages should rise. Less responsibility will most likely equal more efficiency.

He’s not longer the star he once was, but he can still help a team, and his skill set is something Portland could use. (Yes it’s all health permitting)

I would give up the portion of the vet min that would still keep us under the luxury threshold for any productive player right now. He will probably get buried on the bench when Nurk and CJ are back but right now we're short on body's especially big bodies.

 

[Natebishop3]

The problem that I don't think many of you are considering is the burden it puts on our rotation. Where do the minutes come from? We need another center right now. Griffin isn't a center.

 

[Natebishop3]

Here are our current minutes per game averages



So if you add Griffin, he has to get minutes at power forward. Right now RoCo is averaging 30.9 minutes and Melo is averaging 25.4. DJJ is averaging 26.7. That's your forward rotation.

Between the three front court spots you have a total of 144 minutes. Maybe these numbers aren't reflecting the current rotation with Nurk out.

Last 10
Roco - 32.3
DJJ - 24.7
Kanter - 30.5
Melo - 25.1

So that's a total of 112.6 minutes. I'm guessing Trent is getting some of those minutes. Giles is getting some of those minutes. Nas is getting a few minutes. In theory there's another 30ish minutes but we need a center.

 

[BigGameDamian]

I don’t want Griffin, Love or LMA.

Love could still fit in well in Stotts system. Contracts aside.

 

[Minstrel]

The problem that I don't think many of you are considering is the burden it puts on our rotation. Where do the minutes come from? We need another center right now. Griffin isn't a center.

You could play him as a small ball center, the way the Warriors are doing (largely by necessity, since all their other centers are hurt) with Draymond Green. Green can't shoot even as well as Blake, but his distributing ability is working pretty well. Griffin's main defensive weakness at this point is his lack of quickness and burst, but he can still bang with big men, considering this era is light on huge centers who are big scoring threats.

 

[Strenuus]

Blake griffin could be our Draymond green? Except for the defense obviously. Its always nice having more facilitators for our plethora of 3 point shooters.

That said... he is hot garbage and is only being talked about because of his name.

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[RoseCityRebel]

He’s a great playmaker.
I wouldnt look at his 12 ppg. Yes he’s lost athleticism but I think this is a classic “I play for a shitty team so I’m not gonna try hard” situation. He would be great if it was a buyout situation

So he’s not trying with a huge contract on a bad team, but he’s going to try hard on the vet minimum if he buys out his own contract for the vet minimum, off the bench in limited minutes, for a non-championship team in Portland?

God no. Stay far away. He shouldn’t get a single minute on this roster. His knees must be as bad a Brandon Roy’s at this stage of his career. Let him go to the Lakers and Mitch Richmond his way to a title and then retire.

 

[RoseCityRebel]

Blake griffin could be our Draymond green? Except for the defense obviously. Its always nice having more facilitators for our plethora of 3 point shooters.

That said... he is hot garbage and is only being talked about because of his name.

If any GM expects Griffin to be Draymond Green at this stage of career, that GM should be out of a job. The season is happening. This is an off-season thread, and a bad one at that.

 

[riverman]

Blake made his money and is mailing it in now....is what it is...dude got paid, commercials, the works...he probably wants his career in action comedies to start soon..he's a regular on celebrity roasts nowadays...he might put an effort in if he's on a team with a coach he likes...it's kind of a crapshoot

 

[hoopsjock]

Blake made his money and is mailing it in now....is what it is...dude got paid, commercials, the works...he probably wants his career in action comedies to start soon..he's a regular on celebrity roasts nowadays...he might put an effort in if he's on a team with a coach he likes...it's kind of a crapshoot

Prior to his knee injury towards the end of the 2018-19 season, Blake maybe more so than anyone else I can recall did a great job of transforming his game as his athleticism started to fail him. That was after he got this contract so in my opinion it's more of his body just didn't hold up, which happens sometimes, not that he mailed it in.

 

[riverman]

Prior to his knee injury towards the end of the 2018-19 season, Blake maybe more so than anyone else I can recall did a great job of transforming his game as his athleticism started to fail him. That was after he got this contract so in my opinion it's more of his body just didn't hold up, which happens sometimes, not that he mailed it in.

I'd say sitting down until you're traded at his cost is about as mailing it in as you can get....doesn't want to risk injury but still gets paid..and as I said...for a players coach, he might pick up his game....I've been reading he's playing in cement boots now....but I don't watch him at all.

 

[blazerkor]

The problem that I don't think many of you are considering is the burden it puts on our rotation. Where do the minutes come from? We need another center right now. Griffin isn't a center.

He's better at the 5 than Melo, that's for damn sure but I agree that we need an actual big. Maybe now that Russell is out maybe a little longer than CJ the Wolves will do CJ for KAT... they're not known for being forward thinkers.

 

[hoopsjock]

I'd say sitting down until you're traded at his cost is about as mailing it in as you can get....doesn't want to risk injury but still gets paid..and as I said...for a players coach, he might pick up his game....I've been reading he's playing in cement boots now....but I don't watch him at all.

I didn't say anything about his current ability or situation, just that his mailing it in didn't occur when he got paid. Also, it looks like it was a mutual decision from the team as well so it's not like he just quit or anything. If he gets bought out he'd likely have to give up a significant amount of money too.