Blazers after Greg Monroe

[Draco]

Yes, I'd chose Monroe over Aldridge, because LA has proven to me that he'll always revert back to being a pussy who is to dainty to mix it up inside. He will occasionally play like a real PF and take it inside, and when he does that, he's one of the best, but he doesn't do it consistently. He shot 3 freaking times more mid range than inside the paint last year, he took 100 more mid range shots than anyone in the fucking NBA.
http://hoopshabit.com/2014/04/01/lamarcus-aldridge-double-sided-coin/

I had no idea LaMarcus shoots a lot of jump shots. Thanks!

 

[santeesioux]

This sounds like a dead rumor that was probably dead at the time we heard about it on the 1st.

 

[BBert]

So you are saying that you would rather have Monroe over Aldridge?

I'd rather have Monroe AND Aldridge.

I'll add it to the list of things I can't have.

(Surprise me Olshey. My birthday is coming up!)

 

[Draco]

I would think about doing this trade; we also send Detroit an unprotected first round pick

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=q2ajyvp

DET: Leonard, CJ McCollum, TRob, unprotected first round pick
GS: LaMarcus and Dorrell Wright
POR: Monroe, David Lee and Klay Thompson

Rolo - Freeland
Monroe - Lee
Batum - Barton
Klay - Wes
Damian - Mo

Gives us a younger core. Shores up the bench with Wes and Lee.

 

[magnifier661]

I'd rather have Monroe AND Aldridge.

I'll add it to the list of things I can't have.

(Surprise me Olshey. My birthday is coming up!)

I'm fine with that, but sinobas was talking about trading Aldridge if we got Monroe

 

[BBert]

I'm fine with that, but sinobas was talking about trading Aldridge if we got Monroe

Can you imagine a rotation of Aldridge, Lopez and Monroe? I think you're better limiting Lopez to fewer than 30 minutes anyway.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh, I'm crushed.

I don't worry about what you care about. I just need to know who to filter out as unqualified to make a realistic debate. Then again, I remember how many times you bitched about officiating on brush fouls. Your perception is a little flawed

 

[magnifier661]

Can you imagine a rotation of Aldridge, Lopez and Monroe? I think you're better limiting Lopez to fewer than 30 minutes anyway.

I would jump on that quicker than flies on shit

 

[The_Lillard_King]

This sounds like a dead rumor that was probably dead at the time we heard about it on the 1st.

This

 

[Draco]

Can you imagine a rotation of Aldridge, Lopez and Monroe? I think you're better limiting Lopez to fewer than 30 minutes anyway.

It would be pretty freaking awesome!

I wonder if we could keep it for more than just next season though. If Monroe is getting $15 million a season, LMA $20 million and Lopez signs a Gortat level contract of $12 million thats $47 milliion per year for two positions. It'd be fun if Allen was doing the old SPAM thing but I don't believe he'll spend crazy money like that again.

 

[Rhal]

I know what you whiners are going to say next "oh but he draws people away blah blah blah blahblah". Ok, but let's look at what some of the other stars shoot:

Lebron 61%
Durant 55%
Nowitski 54%
Love 52%
Harden 52%
Anthony 50%
Even a chucker like Rudy gay 48%

LA is not even in the top 200 of qualified players.

Yea for using EFG which is geared towards 3 point shooter. A 3 point shooter will always have a better eFG% then a non 3 point shooter that isn't a center that all they do is dunk.

 

[STOMP]

LaMarcus Aldridge is a volume shooter, inefficient average defending over-rated player whose only claim to fame is that he can get his shot off anytime and gets really hot every once in awhile.

being a 3 time All Star & a 2 time All NBA Player is much more of a claim to fame, obviously. This anti-LA rant you're on seems too silly to be real

STOMP

 

[Sinobas]

Yea for using EFG which is geared towards 3 point shooter. A 3 point shooter will always have a better eFG% then a non 3 point shooter that isn't a center that all they do is dunk.

It's not "geared towards" anything. It simply incorporates the fact that the 3pt shot is worth more points, so shooting the 3pt at 33% = shooting the 2 at 50%. If you look at a ranking of eFG%, you'll see a good mixture of guards, forwards and centers.

Why do you think NBA teams are gearing their offenses more and more towards taking 3s and getting inside? It's because those shots are much more efficient.

 

[Sinobas]

being a 3 time All Star & a 2 time All NBA Player is much more of a claim to fame, obviously. This anti-LA rant you're on seems too silly to be real

STOMP

Fans like to vote guys in that get numbers, and LaMarcus has big games every once in awhile that will draw a coaches attention. The problem is that in the long haul he's not efficient, and he doesn't make up for it on the defensive end either.

 

[Rhal]

Fans like to vote guys in that get numbers, and LaMarcus has big games every once in awhile that will draw a coaches attention. The problem is that in the long haul he's not efficient, and he doesn't make up for it on the defensive end either.

LMA has never been voted by in by the fans its always by the coaches.

 

[Sinobas]

I don't worry about what you care about. I just need to know who to filter out as unqualified to make a realistic debate. Then again, I remember how many times you bitched about officiating on brush fouls. Your perception is a little flawed

That's funny because so far you have brought up nothing to counter my points. If you want to have a "realistic debate" try making some points beyond "ooh you're so dumb for thinking that".

 

[The_Lillard_King]

That's funny because so far you have brought up nothing to counter my points. If you want to have a "realistic debate" try making some points beyond "ooh you're so dumb for thinking that".

How many rebounds do those stars average?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Keep in kind he is seeking $100m+ next summer.

He scored 23ppg on 21fga this year -- career: 19ppg on 16fga.

Sinobas has brought up some valid points.

 

[magnifier661]

Fans like to vote guys in that get numbers, and LaMarcus has big games every once in awhile that will draw a coaches attention. The problem is that in the long haul he's not efficient, and he doesn't make up for it on the defensive end either.

When was he voted in by fans? Your hatred has clogged your reality

 

[magnifier661]

That's funny because so far you have brought up nothing to counter my points. If you want to have a "realistic debate" try making some points beyond "ooh you're so dumb for thinking that".

I have brought up points. And I know how well our offense is run when Aldridge is on the court.

Think about this... All the games we've lost in the playoffs where games when Aldridge had a poor performance.

 

[magnifier661]

This has become moot. Kaman signed a Blazer

 

[BBert]

Can't sign yet. But, yeah.

Adjust expectations accordingly.

Solid pickup for what we had to spend, really.

 

[Draco]

Yea for using EFG which is geared towards 3 point shooter. A 3 point shooter will always have a better eFG% then a non 3 point shooter that isn't a center that all they do is dunk.

If I were coaching the Blazers I'd have Wesley Matthews shoot an open corner 3 pointer every possession. Our coaches must be idiots!

 

[Draco]

It's not "geared towards" anything. It simply incorporates the fact that the 3pt shot is worth more points, so shooting the 3pt at 33% = shooting the 2 at 50%. If you look at a ranking of eFG%, you'll see a good mixture of guards, forwards and centers.

Why do you think NBA teams are gearing their offenses more and more towards taking 3s and getting inside? It's because those shots are much more efficient.

How did the Blazers beat the Rockets four times then? The Rockets only shoot 3's and layup the two most efficient areas on a basketball court.

I'll tell you what I think... what matter is the incremental FG% on where an available shot comes from.... Often a 40% shot can be very efficient.

When you have a bunch of 90% layups comingled with 30% shots it paints a false picture that a 50% FG player can get a 50% shot on any attempt. That is not the case.

Also you have to look at turnovers, offensive rebounding, etc etc. LaMarcus has extremely low turnovers for a 20ppg scorer so he can shoot 7% lower FG% but be more efficient than a comparable player.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

There is a premium on centers and I think teams getting into a slap fight over Hawes is a good example of that.

Hawes is a role-playing stretch five. He's at his ceiling -- a solid backup who could step in and start if needed.

Monroe has all-star potential and not even close to his ceiling. His strong point is his passing and low-post scoring - he has played with weak talent outside Drummond. That's why I think he would've blown up in Portland.

You give up Batum or Wes for Monroe IMO. If Neil viewed that as a non-starter this is a huge missed opportunity. How many times does a 24 y/o center of his caliber hit the market? The only reason why he's on the market is because Drummind is turning into one if the best rebounders we've ever seen.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is a premium on centers and I think teams getting into a slap fight over Hawes is a good example of that.

Hawes is a role-playing stretch five. He's at his ceiling -- a solid backup who could step in and start if needed.

Monroe has all-star potential and not even close to his ceiling. His strong point is his passing and low-post scoring - he has played with weak talent outside Drummond. That's why I think he would've blown up in Portland.

You give up Batum or Wes for Monroe IMO. If Neil viewed that as a non-starter this is a huge missed opportunity. How many times does a 24 y/o center of his caliber hit the market? The only reason why he's on the market is because Drummind is turning into one if the best rebounders we've ever seen.

I would trade Wes because I think Wes is going to get overpaid next summer. Better to trade him now as part of a deal that helps the team long term. Someone is going to give him some stupid contract, especially with the overall lack of talent in free agency next summer.

 

[magnifier661]

There is a premium on centers and I think teams getting into a slap fight over Hawes is a good example of that.

Hawes is a role-playing stretch five. He's at his ceiling -- a solid backup who could step in and start if needed.

Monroe has all-star potential and not even close to his ceiling. His strong point is his passing and low-post scoring - he has played with weak talent outside Drummond. That's why I think he would've blown up in Portland.

You give up Batum or Wes for Monroe IMO. If Neil viewed that as a non-starter this is a huge missed opportunity. How many times does a 24 y/o center of his caliber hit the market? The only reason why he's on the market is because Drummind is turning into one if the best rebounders we've ever seen.

Well the summer ain't over. There is still an opportunity to grab him. Who knows man

 

[riverman]

Didn't Van Gundy say he'd do whatever it took to keep Monroe but Detroit was rumored to be shopping Smith to the Kings?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

There is a premium on centers and I think teams getting into a slap fight over Hawes is a good example of that.

Hawes is a role-playing stretch five. He's at his ceiling -- a solid backup who could step in and start if needed.

Monroe has all-star potential and not even close to his ceiling. His strong point is his passing and low-post scoring - he has played with weak talent outside Drummond. That's why I think he would've blown up in Portland.

You give up Batum or Wes for Monroe IMO. If Neil viewed that as a non-starter this is a huge missed opportunity. How many times does a 24 y/o center of his caliber hit the market? The only reason why he's on the market is because Drummind is turning into one if the best rebounders we've ever seen.

Where a few days ago I was very much against the idea of trading Batum (don't think Detroit wants Wes), I am starting to think twice about that scenario.

Locking up Monroe for 4 yrs oppose to maybe having Batum for only 2 yrs. Still love the starting unit and hate to see that broken up, but what you say makes sense to me. Wish I knew more about Monroe, but that is what Olshey is for

Also agree that Hawes is just a role player. I'm actually not that upset Blazer don't get Hawes as much as I think it was a reality check for me that Blazers are not a highly desirable destination for players.

Still don't like Kaman, but whatever, Blazers have t-rob, Freeland and Leonard to make up for that mistake.

 

[jlprk]

Unlike Hawes and Kaman, Monroe has Aldridgian upside. To get a better starter, you gotta be ready to trade a popular starter stuck in a rut like Batum. Blazer fans lack the old risk-taking get-up-and-go.