Blazers center injury thread

[mook]

Can the mods just make this sticky so we don't have to keep making new ones?

Actually, it should have it's own button up there next to the Rip City Two logo for ease of access.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Blazercenterinjury.com

 

[Orion Bailey]

do the Blazers boycott milk?

I mean I was small growing up but drank alot of milk and became big and strong and have never broken a bone since I was 16. And I have done some crazy shit in my youth.

so what gives? Milk does a body good and strengthens bones. Id have these guys on a cow cow diet as long as they are on contract.


Maybe one of the prerequisites to interviewing draftees, players to trade for and free agents before acquiring is... how much milk a day did you drink when growing up? Anything less than 3-4 glasses and they cant become a Blazer.


I dunno, but man, but something else has to give.. im tired of it only being bones...

 

[kjironman1]

do the Blazers boycott milk?

I mean I was small growing up but drank alot of milk and became big and strong and have never broken a bone since I was 16. And I have done some crazy shit in my youth.

so what gives? Milk does a body good and strengthens bones. Id have these guys on a cow cow diet as long as they are on contract.


Maybe one of the prerequisites to interviewing draftees, players to trade for and free agents before acquiring is... how much milk a day did you drink when growing up? Anything less than 3-4 glasses and they cant become a Blazer.


I dunno, but man, but something else has to give.. im tired of it only being bones...

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

A curse of being a Blazer fanatic - Injury heartbreaks


Bill Walton
Sam Bowie
Greg Oden
Brandon Roy
Wesley Matthews
Jusef Nurkic
Joel Pryzbilla
Travis Outlaw
Geoff Petrie
Arvydas Sabonis
Travis Outlaw
Zach Randolph
Rudy Fernandez
....I’m certain that I’m missing several

 

[illmatic99]

when are we supposed to get an update on Jusuf?

 

[tlongII]

when are we supposed to get an update on Jusuf?

Do you really need one? It's a fractured wrist. My guess is he's out 2 months minimum.

 

[BlazerWookee]

A curse of being a Blazer fanatic - Injury heartbreaks


Bill Walton
Sam Bowie
Greg Oden
Brandon Roy
Wesley Matthews
Jusef Nurkic
Joel Pryzbilla
Travis Outlaw
Geoff Petrie
Arvydas Sabonis
Travis Outlaw
Zach Randolph
Rudy Fernandez
....I’m certain that I’m missing several

Travis got hurt twice?

I would add Elliot Williams, I had uber high hopes for him

 

[illmatic99]

Do you really need one? It's a fractured wrist. My guess is he's out 2 months minimum.

depending on where the fracture is, this could be much longer

 

[Phatguysrule]

I feel bad for Nurk. But he can get through this and help us in the playoffs. Kanter needs to show he can play D. Giles needs to play like he did in pre-season, and bring the O.

I'm excited at the prospect of Giles getting legit minutes.

Then Nurk can hopefully be back in time for the playoffs. And he'll have time to get himself back in shape now.

 

[Zaps]

Can't we make a trade for a big , that includes trading Scott ??
Call Cleveland o man I even take Mayers back from Miami if Scott is included.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Can't we make a trade for a big , that includes trading Scott ??
Call Cleveland o man I even take Mayers back from Miami if Scott is included.

This is a little confusing. I don't see a Scott on Cleveland roster and I don't see how Meyers got in on this?

 

[Hoopguru]

I feel bad for Nurk. But he can get through this and help us in the playoffs. Kanter needs to show he can play D. Giles needs to play like he did in pre-season, and bring the O.

I'm excited at the prospect of Giles getting legit minutes.

Then Nurk can hopefully be back in time for the playoffs. And he'll have time to get himself back in shape now.

Im hoping with Giles at the high post we can now see DJJ go to the hoop more. I've been disappointed we haven't seen it much yet this year. Giles is a crazy passer.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Start Melo at center. I'm not even really kidding: he's basically playing this a lot when we replace Jones and Nurk with Trent and Melo, and it's the one position where he's not two or three steps slow. He's surprisingly strong - he can be our PJ Tucker, assuming we don't try to trade for the real thing.

 

[handiman]

This thread may surpass the Melo one, all things considered.

 

[boredinsalem]

I feel like we should look into bringing Hassan or Ed Davis over in a trade. Even as a matchup option it would be nice to have a rim protector (Whiteside) or someone tough (Ed) for15-20 mpg.

 

[wizenheimer]

I feel like we should look into bringing Hassan or Ed Davis over in a trade. Even as a matchup option it would be nice to have a rim protector (Whiteside) or someone tough (Ed) for15-20 mpg.

I like the talk about modern C's so if Portland looks for another C it should be a modern one....somebody who can shoot the three at least at a 35% clip, defend on the perimeter, and still go inside and rebound at a 15% rate. Guys like Thomas Bryant, Gorgul Dieng, Julius Randle, Chris Boucher, Marvin Bagley....

unfortunately, guys like that are actually valuable, so the price would be too high for Olshey. Besides, he probably still believes in Zach

 

[Minstrel]

I like the talk about modern C's so if Portland looks for another C it should be a modern one....somebody who can shoot the three at least at a 35% clip, defend on the perimeter, and still go inside and rebound at a 15% rate. Guys like Thomas Bryant, Gorgul Dieng, Julius Randle, Chris Boucher, Marvin Bagley....

unfortunately, guys like that are actually valuable, so the price would be too high for Olshey. Besides, he probably still believes in Zach

Yeah, I'm starting to be done with big, lumbering centers. In addition to the issues you identified, I suspect that lighter, fleeter centers are less injury-prone. For two reasons: less weight carried by their lower bodies and better athleticism likely gives them a better chance of avoiding fluke injuries from falling in bad ways.

If it's a generational talent like Shaq or Jokic, sure...otherwise, I'll pass.

 

[B-Roy]

I like the talk about modern C's so if Portland looks for another C it should be a modern one....somebody who can shoot the three at least at a 35% clip, defend on the perimeter, and still go inside and rebound at a 15% rate. Guys like Thomas Bryant, Gorgul Dieng, Julius Randle, Chris Boucher, Marvin Bagley....

None of those guys can defend on the perimeter lmao. In fact, that's the major criticism with all those dudes you listed.

Some of those can't protect the rim either, and are mediocre rebounders for the center position.

 

[handiman]

Yeah, I'm starting to be done with big, lumbering centers. In addition to the issues you identified, I suspect that lighter, fleeter centers are less injury-prone. For two reasons: less weight carried by their lower bodies and better athleticism likely gives them a better chance of avoiding fluke injuries from falling in bad ways.

I mean, Zach pretty much fits the modern/mobile center definition to a tee, and he's only durable by Blazers big man standards. Looking to style of play in hopes of finding a healthy big won't be fruitful, IMO.

It wasn't long ago that people looked at thin, "frail" players and wrote them off as injuries waiting to happen. Body type is of less importance than physical makeup.

 

[wizenheimer]

None of those guys can defend on the perimeter lmao. In fact, that's the major criticism with all those dudes you listed.

Some of those can't protect the rim either, and are mediocre rebounders for the center position.

I said a 15% rebounding rate which is kind of mediocre for a C...but acceptable

Bryant, Dieng, Boucher, Bagley...all can go out on the perimeter and be more effective than Nurkic, Whiteside, and Kanter

Portland isn't going to be able to trade for Anthony Davis so they'll need to settle for imperfection

 

[Chris Craig]

do the Blazers boycott milk?

I mean I was small growing up but drank alot of milk and became big and strong and have never broken a bone since I was 16. And I have done some crazy shit in my youth.

so what gives? Milk does a body good and strengthens bones. Id have these guys on a cow cow diet as long as they are on contract.


Maybe one of the prerequisites to interviewing draftees, players to trade for and free agents before acquiring is... how much milk a day did you drink when growing up? Anything less than 3-4 glasses and they cant become a Blazer.


I dunno, but man, but something else has to give.. im tired of it only being bones...

I was watching when it happened. I saw the replay. His hand barely touched the ball as he swiped at it. I thought maybe a jammed or dislocated thumb or finger. How the hell does his hand fracture from that?

 

[Minstrel]

I mean, Zach pretty much fits the modern/mobile center definition to a tee, and he's only durable by Blazers big man standards.

I'm not saying body type makes one immune to injuries, but quite a few basketball health experts have noted that bigger, heavier centers are at greater risk for foot and knee injuries due to the weight they have to support, when running and jumping.

The other part of it, that greater athleticism might give a player a better chance at avoiding "bad fall" types of injuries, isn't based on reading any basketball expert opinion, granted. That's my own extrapolation from what's been said of athletes in other sports, that more athletic players also tend to be less injury-prone. Notably in baseball. So that assumption I consider to be on shakier ground, but it wouldn't surprise me if true.

 

[B-Roy]

I said a 15% rebounding rate which is kind of mediocre for a C...but acceptable

Bryant, Dieng, Boucher, Bagley...all can go out on the perimeter and be more effective than Nurkic, Whiteside, and Kanter

Portland isn't going to be able to trade for Anthony Davis so they'll need to settle for imperfection

Whiteside and Kanter sure, but Nurk is just as mobile as those guys. ie. better than Whiteside/Kanter, but still not great. Dame and CJ were killing Boucher on the PnR.

When I think of a modern day center, I think of quick rim runners that are good finishers on offense and good rim protectors on defense. Agree that they need to be quick on the perimeter, but having all of these AND being able to shoot? There's maybe like 1 or 2 of those guys in the league period.

It's realistic to target a mobile rim runner. ie. Clint Capela, Jarrett Allen types.

 

[Minstrel]

When I think of a modern day center, I think of quick rim runners that are good finishers on offense and good rim protectors on defense. Agree that they need to be quick on the perimeter, but having all of these AND being able to shoot? There's maybe like 1 or 2 of those guys in the league period.

Yeah, finding all of that in one player is extremely difficult. The Blazers took a shot with Collins, but it hasn't really panned out. I'd be happy with two out of three, out of "can defend out to the perimeter," "good rim-runner" and "good shooter" as long as he has at least some presence as a shot-blocker/shot-deterrer.

 

[handiman]

The other part of it, that greater athleticism might give a player a better chance at avoiding "bad fall" types of injuries, isn't based on reading any basketball expert opinion, granted. That's my own extrapolation from what's been said of athletes in other sports, that more athletic players also tend to be less injury=prone. Notably in baseball. So that assumption I consider to be on shakier ground, but it wouldn't surprise me if true.

Zion would be the counter to that argument, but I agree, "springier" athletes tend to avoid the, uh, bad breaks, if you will. Of course, Zion falls into both categories of too heavy for joints/ankles, and athletic enough to perhaps be more durable.

 

[wizenheimer]

Whiteside and Kanter sure, but Nurk is just as mobile as those guys. ie. better than Whiteside/Kanter, but still not great. Dame and CJ were killing Boucher on the PnR.

When I think of a modern day center, I think of quick rim runners that are good finishers on offense and good rim protectors on defense. Agree that they need to be quick on the perimeter, but having all of these AND being able to shoot? There's maybe like 1 or 2 of those guys in the league period.

It's realistic to target a mobile rim runner. ie. Clint Capela, Jarrett Allen types.

Yeah, finding all of that in one player is extremely difficult. The Blazers took a shot with Collins, but it hasn't really panned out. I'd be happy with two out of three, out of "can defend out to the perimeter," "good rim-runner" and "good shooter" as long as he has at least some presence as a shot-blocker/shot-deterrer.

I disagree about how hard they are to find, especially when you lower the standards a little

but why "rim-running"?...what good would it do on the Blazers? Jones and Covington are rim-runners and it does no good. Last year, the only Blazer prone to rim-running was Hezonja and he was running alone. Blazers run so seldom I don't know why that would be a trait you'd look for in a C/PF type

unless you're talking about changing the coaching staff, but that would still take a training camp to adjust

 

[Minstrel]

but why "rim-running"?...what good would it do on the Blazers? Jones and Covington are rim-runners and it does no good. Last year, the only Blazer prone to rim-running was Hezonja and he was running alone. Blazers run so seldom I don't know why that would be a trait you'd look for in a C/PF type

"Rim-running" isn't about fast breaks. It means a player adept at things like rolling to the hoop out of the pick-and-roll and finishing or cutting backdoor for lobs. The Tyson Chandler offensive skillset.

 

[AldoTrapani]

We wasn’t going to win the championship anyways

 

[wizenheimer]

"Rim-running" isn't about fast breaks. It means a player adept at things like rolling to the hoop out of the pick-and-roll and finishing or cutting backdoor for lobs. The Tyson Chandler offensive skillset.

well, I could say the same thing about lobs and back door cuts that I said about rim running. All those things are minimized in the Stotts system

the only thing that fits would be PnR because of Dame's skill at that play