Zombie Blazers Interested in Amare Stoudemire

[Fawzi83]

Sorry if this has already been posted

Sources told ESPN.com that the Chicago Bulls, Miami Heat, Detroit Pistons and Portland Trail Blazers are among the many teams with whom Phoenix has exchanged trade concepts, with the Bulls and Heat believed to be pursuing Stoudemire hardest at this early stage.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3890478

 

[hasoos]

That must be the leaderboard. From what I had read, most teams in the league have called Kerr by now.

 

[ucatchtrout]

No way we'd trade for a big. We don't pass the ball to the one we have now. ZERO freaking passes to Oden in the first half...when he was in NO foul trouble guarded by Nick fucking Collision.

 

[hasoos]

From what I read, the supposed goal of the Suns is to have their salary cap reduced by like 40 million dollars by next summer. (I don't know if that is completely correct), that would imply, that expiring contracts (Raef) might be a more important piece than in other situations.

 

[BBert]

I'd rather trade RLEC for the injured Elton Brand. If only we could convince Philly Marreese Speights is the real deal.

 

[Hoof Hearted]

Wonder if there is interest in Jason Richardson. Probably a bit small for SF at 6-6, but an intriguing scorer.

 

[Karl Malone's Elbows]

Since the rumors about Portland's involvement with Stoudemire claim LMA isn't involved I'd have to think Portland's interest lays in being part of a 3-way.

 

[Further]

I really think that if the Blazers are involved in an Amare trade, they would be a third team helping to facilitate the trade and picking up something else.

 

[B-Roy]

I'd do it. Just to see Amare attack the rim.

 

[alex42083]

Give us a three-way, and land us Luol Deng!

 

[B-Roy]

Give us a three-way, and land us Luol Deng!

And trade who? You can't just offer Travis, Sergio, and Frye then hope they accept.

 

[free_lafrentz]

Give us a three-way, and land us Luol Deng!

Luol will not be fully utilized until we have a guard who can find him when he is open. I'd rather trade for a PG not named Hinrich.

 

[Karl Malone's Elbows]

And trade who? You can't just offer Travis, Sergio, and Frye then hope they accept.

The ESPN rumor is Amare for RLEC, Outlaw and Bayless. The rumors they mentioned with other teams don't look much better either.

 

[free_lafrentz]

The ESPN rumor is Amare for RLEC, Outlaw and Bayless. The rumors they mentioned with other teams don't look much better either.

if they threw us barnes i'd give it a look.

But the problem isn't at PF or SF, really.

It's at PG.

 

[B-Roy]

The ESPN rumor is Amare for RLEC, Outlaw and Bayless. The rumors they mentioned with other teams don't look much better either.

That's not a rumor, it's just something Marc Stein proposed. He even said he wasn't a real rumor.

 

[drexlersdad]

not realy sure where he would play unless we shipped joel out. we could probably get great value for him as well.

a big rotation of greg/lma/amare would be beyond dominant.

 

[alex42083]

And trade who? You can't just offer Travis, Sergio, and Frye then hope they accept.

I didn't say offer scrubs, but if Phoenix realizes they have to go into rebuilding mode, RLEC would be the first step along with young guys from us and Chicago, and some draft picks.
Who knows, I was just throwing out some hopeful thinking with us landing Deng and Amare going to Chicago, and Phoenix getting whatever.

 

[Shooter]

I'd rather trade RLEC for the injured Elton Brand.

I have no idea what you're talking about. Care to explain who "RLEC" is?

 

[AgentDrazenPetrovic]

Raef Lafrenz Expiring Contract

 

[Minstrel]

If Portland can squeeze Phoenix into giving up Amare for less than he's worth, then sure, get him. Portland can always try to spin either him or Aldridge off in a different deal, to get a young star point guard or something like that.

I wouldn't move heaven and earth to try to acquire Stoudemire, but if Phoenix values expiring contracts and young players, that would be a consolidation deal worth doing, even if it meant making another deal down the line to make the pieces fit better.

 

[JE]

I'd rather trade RLEC for the injured Elton Brand. If only we could convince Philly Marreese Speights is the real deal.

I doubt it'd take much convincing, if Raef is involved.

 

[JE]

From what I read, the supposed goal of the Suns is to have their salary cap reduced by like 40 million dollars by next summer. (I don't know if that is completely correct), that would imply, that expiring contracts (Raef) might be a more important piece than in other situations.

It probably wouldn't happen over the course of a whole season (up until the deadline), let alone in just under two weeks, but here's what I think the Suns should do:

Kerr's already fucked this franchise, IMO the best thing to do at this point is just rip it down. Nash and Shaq are getting old, and unless a miracle happens, Amare WILL NOT re-sign. A good chunk of the blame goes to Sarver as well, considering he's a cheap fuck and didn't want to pay the money for first round picks. The Suns could have had Rajon Rondo, Rudy Fernandez, Luol Deng, Francisco Garcia, Sergio Rodriguez, and Nate Robinson. One or two of those guys on this roster, and they're doing a lot better.


Here are some trades I'd make, if I were Phoenix:

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4975268

Nash has a good chance of jumping to New York anyway, and the Knicks have no reason NOT to want him, so might as well send him there early. Suns get Q-Rich (for salaries) and Nate Robinson, and a few draft picks. This one's iffy, because I'm not sure what NY's draft situation for the forseeable future is, off the top of my head.

Knicks roster:
PG Steve Nash
SG Anthony Roberson (might need to swing another deal to fill this spot)
SF Wilson Chandler
PF Jared Jeffries
C David Lee
--
G Chris Duhon
F Al Harrington
F Tim Thomas

The Knicks are a game out of the playoffs right now, and five and a half games out of the fifth seed. This lineup could absolutely catch lightning in a bottle and streak right in for the 6th seed or so.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4975273

If Portland really wants to make a run this season, this is the trade to make. They get Amare and J-Rich, and send Outlaw, LMA, Blake, Raef, and draft picks to Phoenix. I think this one's pretty feasible, and I'm pretty sure Portland's draft situation is okay. This can't happen until the 10th, though, because of J-Rich already being traded once this year.

Blazers roster:
PG Jerryd Bayless
SG Brandon Roy
SF Jason Richardson
PF Amare Stoudemire
C Greg Oden
--
G/F Martell Webster
C Joel Przybilla
G Sergio Rodriguez


Not a bad lineup for the Blazers, and with the West being thinner than in years past, no reason to think that team couldn't make some noise.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4975295

Now THIS is very unlikely, but I'll make my case. Shaq goes to the Pistons to help them make a last stand of sorts (and they toss the mucky three guard thing they got going right now), and his contract is a year longer than the outgoing Iverson's, but it does expire right in time for 2010. As for Phoenix/Iverson, well, they need expirings. I'd be floored if this trade actually happened, but you never know.

Pistons roster:
PG Rodney Stuckey
SG Rip Hamilton
SF Tayshaun Prince
PF Rasheed Wallace
C Shaq
--
F Antonio McDyess
G Arron Afflalo
F/C Amir Johnson
F Jason Maxiell


With Orlando probably down for the count (unless Jameer decides to rough it), I could see Detroit making noise with that lineup. Billups was their identity though, so maybe, maybe not. The 2010 expiring deal for Shaq is the main thing.



Suns final roster:
PG: Steve Blake
SG: Allen Iverson
SF: Quentin Richardson
PF: LaMarcus Aldridge
C: Robin Lopez
--
G: Leandro Barbosa
F: Travis Outlaw
G/F: Matt Barnes
F/C: Raef LaFrentz


They could still sneak into the playoffs, that's not the worst lineup in the world. Iverson/Raef are gone at season's end, and the Suns have some cap room and picks to play with.

 

[crowTrobot]

at this point jefferson would be a downgrade from outlaw

 

[B-Roy]

at this point jefferson would be a downgrade from outlaw

Care to explain why?

 

[Nikolokolus]

at this point jefferson would be a downgrade from outlaw

The trouble is, Travis is basically a power forward at this point, Jefferson is clearly a small forward. We should be asking ourselves if he'd be more productive than Batum and Martell in the short run (the next couple of years) and is he movable after that if Batum matures into the starter I think he'll be. For me the answer is unequivocally yes, but if we are trading for Jefferson, I want Sessions included in the deal to pull the trigger.

Sessions/Bayless (with Jay-bay as our super sub, sixth man or maybe eventually the starter)
Roy/Rudy
Jefferson/Batum/Webster(?)
Aldridge/(?)
Oden/Przy

Championship contender in a couple of years? Maybe, maybe not

 

[crowTrobot]

Care to explain why?

he's having a bad year and appears to be seriously declining.

 

[crowTrobot]

The trouble is, Travis is basically a power forward at this point, Jefferson is clearly a small forward. We should be asking ourselves if he'd be more productive than Batum and Martell in the short run (the next couple of years) and is he movable after that if Batum matures into the starter I think he'll be. For me the answer is unequivocally yes, but if we are trading for Jefferson, I want Sessions included in the deal to pull the trigger.

Sessions/Bayless (with Jay-bay as our super sub, sixth man or maybe eventually the starter)
Roy/Rudy
Jefferson/Batum/Webster(?)
Aldridge/(?)
Oden/Przy

Championship contender in a couple of years? Maybe, maybe not

i would like to see what martell can do at SF before settling for someone who might not improve us at all.

also as i said in the other thread sessions is not better than blake.

 

[B-Roy]

he's having a bad year and appears to be seriously declining.

Well, if he was having an up year, we wouldn't be able to get him on the cheap.

He's not really having a bad year though, if you look at his numbers: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jefferi01.html, he's always been around the 18 ppg range anyways, perfect as the second or third option guy, and except for this year, he's been shooting consistently around 45%, better than Outlaw. Plus, he's a decent three point shooter as well, like Outlaw. The biggest difference is his slashing skills and ability to draw fouls and convert free throws, something Travis is pretty bad at. In RJ, I see the third option behind Roy and LMA, and the guy that holds the starting position warm for Batum or Webster.

Oh, and at 28, I highly doubt he's declining. Especially since extreme athleticism isn't what he's built his game around. He's just having a down year on a messed up team. Lots of players have down years, doesn't mean they are any worse than they were before. (Mostly)

 

[julius]

I'd much rather have Jefferson over Stoudemire.

I think if Stoudemire is involved in a trade, and it includes the Blazers, it's only as the 3rd team in the scenario.

Maybe the Suns want some expiring contracts, or picks? Throw them Raef, Outlaw and Sergio and maybe include a pick or two. Then we get whatever the 3rd team is offering up in the trade scenario (probably to Portland, or at least, partly to Portland) and they get Amare.

 

[Minstrel]

also as i said in the other thread sessions is not better than blake.

Blake is having a career year in which he's about average for a starter. Sessions' PER (both this year and last) is still higher than Blake's this year, and Sessions is only 22 so may improve significantly. Right this moment, Sessions is probably only a little bit better than Blake, but he's definitely the significantly more valuable asset going forward.

I don't know about Sessions' defense, but Blake's defense is quite poor, so I doubt Sessions is hurt, in this comparison, by defense.