Blazers Looking To Move Into The Lottery?

[PapaG]

I'm not being snide here, I am truly curious.

Is this dude a current scout or former?

How many drafts in modern NBA history have yielded 10 All-Stars??

 

[Mediocre Man]

I'm not being snide here, I am truly curious.

Is this dude a current scout or former?

Current pizza delivery boy

 

[Mediocre Man]

It was in the thread with Ryen Russillo's article. All 3 scouts he talked to said Embiid was the best player, but has back concerns. Look it up yourself. Your scout friend has been embarrassingly wrong in the past, anyhow.

"Deal coming soon!"

My scout friend has been wrong, how?

He wasn't the person I heard that from. Please explain where he has been so wrong?

 

[PapaG]

Here is the Russillo article. Three scouts all name Embiid as the player with the most potential. Mock away, "experts."

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/r...l-scouts-on-wiggins-randle-embiid-and-parker/

Joel Embiid

joel-embiid

Scout 1: If healthy, I’m taking him no. 1 and it’s not even close.

This is how it works: We use tiers. There could be five guys in a tier, it doesn’t matter what order. Some would have the first five guys in a tier (Embiid, Parker, Wiggins, Randle, and Exum). Say Vonleh and Gordon are in the second tier.

My top tier is Embiid, by himself.

I think Embiid is the only difference-maker in the group. I like Parker and Wiggins, but if they are your best player, you are going to be in the lottery every year.

Embiid has natural instincts. I doubt he was coached on much of this stuff, considering how quick his stops have been, and that he just started playing basketball. When he takes the ball on the low block, he inside-pivots like Duncan, and he plays from there: Faces, rips through or passes. It’s awesome. I always want bigs that can punish the defense.

His feet are great and he can block shots. Look at his numbers and look at his minutes. He has a chance to be a terrific player.

Scout 2: If he’s healthy and I have a pair of balls I take him no. 1. He has legitimate size. Great hands and feet. He will block shots immediately. He doesn’t understand positioning yet, but he is further along offensively than Olajuwon was at the same stage, and he’s bigger than Hakeem. Hakeem was 6-foot-9. Embiid is 7 feet, maybe bigger, eventually. He has the best upside pick of anyone in the draft.



Scout 3: If the medical staff clears him, he should go no. 1, but people are still freaked out about Oden. Before the concerns about his back — which are real, by the way — I’d be very comfortable taking him one or two. Has all the ingredients: feet, hands, touch. I’ve watched him in practice, and he was automatic from 15 feet, which is something we didn’t see him use a lot at Kansas.

He played with a little chipiness. Some of it was immaturity, but some of it was good, which shows he is competitive. Depending on how it falls with the decision-makers, Milwaukee is the kind of team that will feel pressured to take Parker over Embiid, because of the health risks, but who knows now with new ownership.

At our level, there has to be some motivation to get better. Are you doing it for you, or other people? With his background, you hope he really loves the game. But he seems focused and competitive.

Russillo: Agree with Scout 1. He’s my favorite player in this class. They don’t make guys like this very often. Usually, when you see a guy at 7 feet who has barely played, he is a total project. It sounds like a simple question, but I always ask myself, “Can he play basketball?” Embiid can. His improvement from month to month is unlike anything I’ve ever seen.

He catches in the post, cross-court passes to an open shooter, and is comfortable catching on the roll off a screen. His feet and timing on jumps are special; defensively he will anchor a team. In a league that is going smaller and smaller, a big that can move like he can is an advantage every night.

I realize this all changes if his back is a serious problem, but I don’t want to hear that because Greg Oden got hurt that you can’t draft Embiid. That’s like saying, “I don’t sign Japanese pitchers because Daisuke Matsuzaka was terrible.”

 

[Mediocre Man]

How many drafts in modern NBA history have yielded 10 All-Stars??

Hahaha. No wonder you laughed.....stupid auto correct on my phone. 4-6

 

[Rhal]

It's so they can raise his salary, and sign him to an extension. He's played well above his second rounders pay and they are going to reward him for it.

You're wrong, do some googling bro

If you want to look at it as them rewarding him for playing so well you can but it seems more like a play to make sure that one of two things happens 1) they keep him with a fairly nice extension 2) they get something for him if they must lose him. Because if they didn't decline his option and went into next year with him making a million they have a chance at losing him for nothing.
I'm not exactly sure where the google comment comes in. If your talking about holding out its the overseas guys who do it, you can play like crap and force a trade aka the Vince Carter method, the pout so much the team asks you to not show up for awhile like Houston did with Asik but the players can't do anything like refuse to show up because they want a pay raise.

 

[PapaG]

How many drafts in modern NBA history have yielded 10 All-Stars??

Want to know the answer?

ZERO

Apparently, according to Mediocre Man's "scout friend," this is the greatest draft ever.

 

[Rhal]

Want to know the answer?

ZERO

Apparently, according to Mediocre Man's "scout friend," this is the greatest draft ever.

I can see this draft when its all said and done having 6-8 guys who made an allstar team. I think it only has about 5 who have the potential to be an AS more then once but there is a lot of very high potential guys in this draft and you only have to light it up for half a year to make an AS team.

 

[Natebishop3]

How many drafts in modern NBA history have yielded 10 All-Stars??

1996 is the only one I can think of.

1. Allen Iverson
2. Shareef Abdur-Rahim
3. Stephon Marbury
4. Ray Allen
5. Antoine Walker
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Peja Stojakovic
8. Steve Nash
9. Jermaine O'Neal
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Plus this draft had Marcus Camby and Derek Fisher. I honestly think this was probably the best draft in the history of the NBA.

 

[PapaG]

I can see this draft when its all said and done having 6-8 guys who made an allstar team. I think it only has about 5 who have the potential to be an AS more then once but there is a lot of very high potential guys in this draft and you only have to light it up for half a year to make an AS team.

So it's in the top 5 drafts of the lottery era? That still leaves 3/4 of the first-round pick who will never be All-Stars...

 

[PapaG]

1996 is the only one I can think of.

1. Allen Iverson
2. Shareef Abdur-Rahim
3. Stephon Marbury
4. Ray Allen
5. Antoine Walker
6. Kobe Bryant
7. Peja Stojakovic
8. Steve Nash
9. Jermaine O'Neal
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas

Plus this draft had Marcus Camby and Derek Fisher. I honestly think this was probably the best draft in the history of the NBA.

Good find. I forgot the 1996 draft. Funny thing is, I wouldn't trade any of those players for LMA except for Kobe Bryant. Nash and Iverson are a no, unless you're trading Lillard for that pick.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Hahaha. No wonder you laughed.....stupid auto correct on my phone. 4-6

Dammit

6-8

 

[Rhal]

So it's in the top 3 drafts of the lottery era?

In terms of players I think will be able to contribute to teams and not be out of the league in 3 to 4 years then yea

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[Natebishop3]

Good find. I forgot the 1996 draft. Funny thing is, I wouldn't trade any of those players for LMA except for Kobe Bryant. Nash and Iverson are a no, unless you're trading Lillard for that pick.

It was a very guard heavy draft. A few Hall of Famers in there. I'd love to have Ray Allen in his prime. Other than that, I'm not a huge fan of Iverson, Marbury, Walker, or Abdur-Rahim. Peja would be great in Stotts system. So would Nash actually.

 

[PapaG]

Let's look at the draft position of the All-Stars in the 1996 draft.

1. Allen Iverson - 1st
2. Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 3rd
3. Stephon Marbury - 4th
4. Ray Allen -5th
5. Antoine Walker -6th
6. Kobe Bryant - 13th
7. Peja Stojakovic - 14th
8. Steve Nash - 15th
9. Jermaine O'Neal - 17th
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas - 20th
11. Ben Wallace - undrafted

The best player in that draft was picked #13, and outside of Iverson, the rest of the Top 6 were role players for good teams, or "franchise" players for bad teams. It could be argued that picking outside of the lottery in that draft was better than having anything other than the #1 pick.

So, even in the deepest draft in the modern NBA, there were several misses high in the draft, considering who was picked behind those players.

 

[Natebishop3]

Let's look at the draft position of the All-Stars in the 1996 draft.

1. Allen Iverson - 1st
2. Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 3rd
3. Stephon Marbury - 4th
4. Ray Allen -5th
5. Antoine Walker -6th
6. Kobe Bryant - 13th
7. Peja Stojakovic - 14th
8. Steve Nash - 15th
9. Jermaine O'Neal - 17th
10. Zydrunas Ilgauskas - 20th
11. Ben Wallace - undrafted

The best player in that draft was picked #13, and outside of Iverson, the rest of the Top 6 were role players for good teams, or "franchise" players for bad teams. It could be argued that picking outside of the lottery in that draft was better than having anything other than the #1 pick.

So, even in the deepest draft in the modern NBA, there were several misses high in the draft, considering who was picked behind those players.

Shit, I didn't even realize that Wallace was in that draft. Also, Marcus Camby was picked #2 but never made an All-Star team and Derek Fisher was taken in the late first round.

 

[santeesioux]

Who would you even target with like a late top ten pick if you traded Batum? Vonleh? Isn't that guy an even bigger project than Trob?

 

[PapaG]

Who would you even target with like a late top ten pick if you traded Batum? Vonleh? Isn't that guy an even bigger project than Trob?

But he has potential!

 

[santeesioux]

Maybe Randle or Smart would drop, and with Smart you could move Lillard to the two.

 

[RR7]

Maybe Randle or Smart would drop, and with Smart you could move Lillard to the two.

It's a possibility. But, I think if you're moving a starter, potentially, to move up into the lottery, you'd better have a specific target, and feel pretty confident they'll be there for you. Just hoping for someone to fall, and getting a pick to get a pick would be bad, IMO.

I dunno who, outside of I think Fez mentioning Carmelo, could be a possibility, but there's always the potential that Neil is trying to land a lotto pick as a piece to include in a bigger trade, under the assumption that that pick would be more valuable to a team than Wesley or Nic might be, or whoever. Instead of us keeping the pick for ourselves. WHo knows. Just something else to think about, instead o fhow player X, Y, Z might fit our squad.

 

[Rhal]

Who would you even target with like a late top ten pick if you traded Batum? Vonleh? Isn't that guy an even bigger project than Trob?

Id go after Smart or Vonleh but the bigger question would be who we would have to go get to replace Batum. Parsons would be too expensive and isnt nearly the ball handler or playmaker Batum is.

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[GriLtCheeZ]

Let's unload Batum for a lotto pick and sign this guy to a toxic offer sheet, lol

If you want to look at it as them rewarding him for playing so well you can but it seems more like a play to make sure that one of two things happens 1) they keep him with a fairly nice extension 2) they get something for him if they must lose him. Because if they didn't decline his option and went into next year with him making a million they have a chance at losing him for nothing.
I'm not exactly sure where the google comment comes in. If your talking about holding out its the overseas guys who do it, you can play like crap and force a trade aka the Vince Carter method, the pout so much the team asks you to not show up for awhile like Houston did with Asik but the players can't do anything like refuse to show up because they want a pay raise.

I wasn't suggesting anything about holding out or whatever. santeesioux suggested that the blazers offer him a toxic contract (surely joking). My main point was that Parson's isn't available because intends to work out a deal with the the Rockets instead of signing an offer sheet. The google comment was lame, sorry, but it seems that your opinion is speaking to contract negotiations in general, and I was speaking specifically about Parsons based on some random thing I read or heard, anyway fuck Chandler Parsons.
Peace man

 

[PapaG]

I wasn't suggesting anything about holding out or whatever. santeesioux suggested that the blazers offer him a toxic contract (surely joking). My main point was that Parson's isn't available because intends to work out a deal with the the Rockets instead of signing an offer sheet. The google comment was lame, sorry, but it seems that your opinion is speaking to contract negotiations in general, and I was speaking specifically about Parsons based on some random thing I read or heard, anyway fuck Chandler Parsons.
Peace man

The only way to get Chandler Parsons is to vastly overpay for him so the Rockets won't match a signed offer signed offer sheet, and without a major overhaul, the Blazers don't have near the cap space to make that offer.

 

[Rhal]

I wasn't suggesting anything about holding out or whatever. santeesioux suggested that the blazers offer him a toxic contract (surely joking). My main point was that Parson's isn't available because intends to work out a deal with the the Rockets instead of signing an offer sheet. The google comment was lame, sorry, but it seems that your opinion is speaking to contract negotiations in general, and I was speaking specifically about Parsons based on some random thing I read or heard, anyway fuck Chandler Parsons.
Peace man

Lol we were talking about different things apparently

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[santeesioux]

I wasn't suggesting anything about holding out or whatever. santeesioux suggested that the blazers offer him a toxic contract (surely joking).

What are you talking about, the Chandler Parsons Project was clearly the better sf in that series and we should throw everything we have into getting him

 

[PapaG]

What are you talking about, the Chandler Parsons Project was clearly the better sf in that series and we should throw everything we have into getting him

Repped for putting this song in my head. It's been a long time.

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[BigGameDamian]

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/233667/Cavaliers-Interested-In-Love-Noah-Aldridge-Horford

The Cleveland Cavaliers are interested in acquiring an established All-Star big via trade.

Kevin Love is of interest to the Cavaliers and is the closest player in a group that could be available that includes Joakim Noah, LaMarcus Aldridge and Al Horford.

Aldridge was mentioned in trade rumors a year ago, but the Blazers are now trending upwards after advancing into the second round.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Who would you even target with like a late top ten pick if you traded Batum? Vonleh? Isn't that guy an even bigger project than Trob?

I wouldn't move Batum for a top pick because outside of the top 4 it's not worth it and your not going to get a top 4 with Batum.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My scout friend has been wrong, how?

He wasn't the person I heard that from. Please explain where he has been so wrong?

Wasn't your scout friend really high on Babbitt, comparing him to Chris Mullin?

 

[santeesioux]

Wasn't your scout friend really high on Babbitt, comparing him to Chris Mullin?