Blazers officially extended a qualifying offer to Nicolas Batum

[SlyPokerDog]

Ben Golliver ‏@blazersedge
https://twitter.com/#!/blazersedgeBlazers officially extended a qualifying offer to Nicolas Batum


Anne M. Peterson ‏@AnnieMPeterson
The Blazers have extended a qualifying offer to Nicolas Batum

 

[ironcrotch]

... and so it begins.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Good to know its official, and they didn't forget or anything

 

[THE HCP]

TRAIL BLAZERS EXTEND QUALIFYING
OFFER TO NICOLAS BATUM

PORTLAND, Ore. - The Portland Trail Blazers have extended a qualifying offer to forward Nicolas Batum, it was announced today by General Manager Neil Olshey.

Batum will become a restricted free agent on July 1, ensuring that the Trail Blazers will have right of first refusal should another team try to sign him. The move gives Portland the right to match any contract offer he will receive.

Batum, 23, holds averages of 10.2 points, 3.9 rebounds, 1.3 assists and 26.2 minutes in 255 games (202 starts) with the Trail Blazers over four NBA seasons. A native of Lisieux, France, Batum was acquired by Portland in a draft day trade with Houston in June 2008.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

When is the deadline?

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Hickson.

 

[Mediocre Man]

When is the deadline?

It'll be interesting to see what they do with Hickson.

Good point. Can you offer a QO then renounce? I wonder if the League will hold that up until the appeal?

 

[e_blazer]

June 30th

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Lamarcus Aldridge ‏@aldridge_12
https://twitter.com/#!/aldridge_12How much should the Blazers pay to keep Batum??

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Not Chris Paul or Blake Griffin money like his stupid agent wants.

I'd give him $9 million a year at most as a starting point.

 

[HailBlazers]

Lamarcus Aldridge ‏@aldridge_12
https://twitter.com/#!/aldridge_12How much should the Blazers pay to keep Batum??

Awesome, here's to LMA keeping Batum humble

 

[Rhal]

Not Chris Paul or Blake Griffin money like his stupid agent wants.

I'd give him $9 million a year at most as a starting point.

I was kinda pissed reading his agents quotes. His agent seems to say some really stupid things.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I hope they don't cave and give him anything above $10m/per.

 

[Draco]

Good point. Can you offer a QO then renounce? I wonder if the League will hold that up until the appeal?

Yes you can renounce a QO but not if the player accepts it first.

I am also much more interested in what we do with Hickson. I'd assume we don't offer him a QO, we wouldn't want him to accept a one year deal for ~$5mil would we? He could really hamper our flexibility if we want to sign a couple free agents or put in amnesty waivers on guys like Elton Brand, Brandan Haywood or Jose Calderon.

If we don’t have the opportunity to spend the money on better options we can still re-sign Hickson as an UFA. But the one good thing about the QO is at least it would be an expiring deal. I’m not excited about giving a bench player a multi year contract primarily from a few weeks of good play in garbage games.

 

[Further]

Yes you can renounce a QO but not if the player accepts it first.

I am also much more interested in what we do with Hickson. I'd assume we don't offer him a QO, we wouldn't want him to accept a one year deal for ~$5mil would we? He could really hamper our flexibility if we want to sign a couple free agents or put in amnesty waivers on guys like Elton Brand, Brandan Haywood or Jose Calderon.

If we don’t have the opportunity to spend the money on better options we can still re-sign Hickson as an UFA. But the one good thing about the QO is at least it would be an expiring deal. I’m not excited about giving a bench player a multi year contract primarily from a few weeks of good play in garbage games.

At 24 years old and hoe he played for the blazers, I would be fine with a one year five mil deal. Give him a season to prove his worth. With how much bigs get paid, I don't thin that's crazy money at all.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes you can renounce a QO but not if the player accepts it first.

I am also much more interested in what we do with Hickson. I'd assume we don't offer him a QO, we wouldn't want him to accept a one year deal for ~$5mil would we? He could really hamper our flexibility if we want to sign a couple free agents or put in amnesty waivers on guys like Elton Brand, Brandan Haywood or Jose Calderon.

If we don’t have the opportunity to spend the money on better options we can still re-sign Hickson as an UFA. But the one good thing about the QO is at least it would be an expiring deal. I’m not excited about giving a bench player a multi year contract primarily from a few weeks of good play in garbage games.

The Bird rights ruling would lower our potential cap space by 1.5 million according to Styoryteller

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yes you can renounce a QO but not if the player accepts it first.

I am also much more interested in what we do with Hickson. I'd assume we don't offer him a QO, we wouldn't want him to accept a one year deal for ~$5mil would we? He could really hamper our flexibility if we want to sign a couple free agents or put in amnesty waivers on guys like Elton Brand, Brandan Haywood or Jose Calderon.

If we don’t have the opportunity to spend the money on better options we can still re-sign Hickson as an UFA. But the one good thing about the QO is at least it would be an expiring deal. I’m not excited about giving a bench player a multi year contract primarily from a few weeks of good play in garbage games.

When is the last date for this? Friday after the draft hopefully. The draft may dictate how many bigs we need. JJ and Joel Freeland may be redundant. But if we do not offer him a QO then the odds of signing JJ as a UFA are not good.

 

[Draco]

But if we do not offer him a QO then the odds of signing JJ as a UFA are not good.

You think so? I'm not so sure, he wasn't worth being the 15th man for a terrible Sacramento team. Nobody would give up a 2nd round choice at the trade deadline for him. Yes he improved his stock at the end of the season, but outside of Portland I don't think any fans or team is thinking about how to add him to their roster.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

You think so? I'm not so sure, he wasn't worth being the 15th man for a terrible Sacramento team. Nobody would give up a 2nd round choice at the trade deadline for him. Yes he improved his stock at the end of the season, but outside of Portland I don't think any fans or team is thinking about how to add him to their roster.

Ya have to remember that the QO can be as little as the min scale that the league requires. Just like with Nic, we dont have to open up the check book till other teams set the actual market value.

 

[Draco]

Ya have to remember that the QO can be as little as the min scale that the league requires. Just like with Nic, we dont have to open up the check book till other teams set the actual market value.

You don't understand what a qualifying offer is.

 

[Draco]

Here maybe this will clarify:

In order to make their free agent a restricted free agent, a team must submit a qualifying offer to the player by June 30. The qualifying offer is a standing offer for a one-year guaranteed contract, which becomes a regular contact if the player decides to sign it. This ensures that the team does not gain the right of first refusal without offering a contract themselves. The amount of the qualifying offer for players on rookie "scale" contracts is based on the player's draft position1. The qualifying offer for all other players must be for 125% of the player's previous salary, or the player's minimum salary (see question number 16) plus $200,000, whichever is greater1. A player can elect to accept his qualifying offer and play the following season under its terms. This is sometimes done in order to become an unrestricted free agent the following summer (see question number 45).

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q43

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

You think so? I'm not so sure, he wasn't worth being the 15th man for a terrible Sacramento team. Nobody would give up a 2nd round choice at the trade deadline for him. Yes he improved his stock at the end of the season, but outside of Portland I don't think any fans or team is thinking about how to add him to their roster.

Golden state fans have long wanted him

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Here maybe this will clarify:



http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q43

hmm ok where did I miss understand? We give him a QO, it has to be at least the min scale that the league requires. We dont have to open the check book ( Come in with a larger contract) untill he recieves an offer that is larger from another team,thus setting the market value. At that point can we not make an offer of a larger contract than the other team?

 

[ironcrotch]

hmm ok where did I miss understand? We give him a QO, it has to be at least the min scale that the league requires. We dont have to open the check book ( Come in with a larger contract) untill he recieves an offer that is larger from another team,thus setting the market value. At that point can we not make an offer of a larger contract than the other team?

If he signs that offer sheet from the other team we can simply match that offer.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

If he signs that offer sheet from the other team we can simply match that offer.

Yeah..but if you make a low offer, knowing that he will not be happy with that and that other teams would offer more, does that not set his value?

Seems like we have done that in the past with players, sometimes it pisses them off, sometimes they understand that its i=only business.

I get the risk is if you have a guy who wants to get to a different team, he could take low QO an go, But with Nic that could be a difference in the millions.

Am I missing something? I feel like you expect the light bulb to go on, and I am just not seeing it..thanks.

 

[Draco]

hmm ok where did I miss understand? We give him a QO, it has to be at least the min scale that the league requires. We dont have to open the check book ( Come in with a larger contract) untill he recieves an offer that is larger from another team,thus setting the market value. At that point can we not make an offer of a larger contract than the other team?

No, no no. You can't decide how much the qualifying offer is for, you can’t decide to give him a league minimum offer. It is a predetermined amount set by his draft position and for Hickson is $4,385,416. That is the minimum we can offer to make him a restricted free agent. If he accepts the offer we have no choice but to pay him that amount and lose the chance of using that money as cap space.

 

[Boob-No-More]

hmm ok where did I miss understand? We give him a QO, it has to be at least the min scale that the league requires. We dont have to open the check book ( Come in with a larger contract) untill he recieves an offer that is larger from another team,thus setting the market value. At that point can we not make an offer of a larger contract than the other team?

According to HoopsHype Hickson's qualifying offer will be $3,357,569. That seems high to me based on max increases for the 19th pick in the 2008 draft. When I did the math, I got something closer to $2.9 million. In any case, it's not an insignificant amount.

BNM

 

[Draco]

According to HoopsHype Hickson's qualifying offer will be $3,357,569. That seems high to me based on max increases for the 19th pick in the 2008 draft. When I did the math, I got something closer to $2.9 million. In any case, it's not an insignificant amount.

BNM

Storytellers site is $4,385,416

 

[Boob-No-More]

You think so? I'm not so sure, he wasn't worth being the 15th man for a terrible Sacramento team. Nobody would give up a 2nd round choice at the trade deadline for him. Yes he improved his stock at the end of the season, but outside of Portland I don't think any fans or team is thinking about how to add him to their roster.

He was in a bad situation in Sacramento. Everywhere else he's played, he's been a very solid contributor. As a 21-year old second year player, he was a starter, with a 15.2 PER on a Cleveland team that won 61 games. The following season, after LeBron left, he continued to start and posted a 15.6 PER. With Portland last season, his PER was 20.2 (I know, small sample size), but even with the disaster in Sacramento, he has a career PER of 15.0, which is damn good for a back-up/6th man/spot starter, which is what he'd be in Portland (and several other places). He's only 23 and has proven very durable with no injury issues. After his resurgence in Portland, somebody will make him a significant offer and Portland will either need to match or watch him walk for nothing.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Storytellers site is $4,385,416

Yikes! That's even worse.

BNM

 

[DaLincolnJones]

No, no no. You can't decide how much the qualifying offer is for, you can’t decide to give him a league minimum offer. It is a predetermined amount set by his draft position and for Hickson is $4,385,416. That is the minimum we can offer to make him a restricted free agent. If he accepts the offer we have no choice but to pay him that amount and lose the chance of using that money as cap space.

ahhh, ok ok ok , you are under the impression that we should only pay less than a QO for JJ. So, it was not a mistake in concept or understanding the rules of a QO, but rather that we should avoid one to make sure we have more cap and have the chance to aquire JJ as a free agent? I doubt that he gets away on the cheap again.

His play did what miles did, someone will hit him around 5m, a who knows? It may be a bargin or the worst contract of the season, personaly I would sign him.