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B-Roy said:
Hey guys! Okafor is undersized which means he SUCKS! Forget stats and facts, HE SUCKS!
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It doesn't mean he sucks. It just means he's too small to give us a chance against a big team like the Lakers.
 
tlongII said:
It doesn't mean he sucks. It just means he's too small to give us a chance against a big team like the Lakers.
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Why? We have plenty of length in that lineup. Aldridge/Camby and Okafor. Okafor, as undersized as he is, is still a double/double threat. Plus, I highly doubt one player is going to be the reason we can't beat the Lakers.
 
B-Roy said:
Why? We have plenty of length in that lineup. Aldridge/Camby and Okafor. Okafor, as undersized as he is, is still a double/double threat. Plus, I highly doubt one player is going to be the reason we can't beat the Lakers.
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Well I disagree with you. It's obvious to me that the Lakers have won the last 2 championships because of their great size. A 6-10 (maybe) center won't cut it against their two 7 footers. We HAVE to have a healthy Oden. We'll also need him to have a shot against Miami.
 
tlongII said:
Well I disagree with you. It's obvious to me that the Lakers have won the last 2 championships because of their great size. A 6-10 (maybe) center won't cut it against their two 7 footers. We HAVE to have a healthy Oden. We'll also need him to have a shot against Miami.
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You're setting yourself up for dissapointment. :)

FWIW, Bynum was terrible in the post season two years ago, and not much better last season.
 
B-Roy said:
You're setting yourself up for dissapointment. :)

FWIW, Bynum was terrible in the post season two years ago, and not much better last season.
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Bynum was as good as he needed to be obviously. The Lakers win because they dominate the boards and make it very difficult for teams to score inside against them.
 
tlongII said:
Bynum was as good as he needed to be obviously.
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Heh, by that logic, obviously Adam Morrison was as good he needed to be for LA to win two titles. How do we structure the team to nullify Adam Morrison?

Bynum was no reason they won in the playoffs in 08-09 and while he was good in 09-10, he was hardly a major force. The Lakers won because Kobe and Gasol are both tremendous and they get just enough contribution from everyone else. That really says nothing about how a team must be constructed to beat them except "be more talented than the Lakers."
 
tlongII said:
Bynum was as good as he needed to be obviously. The Lakers win because they dominate the boards and make it very difficult for teams to score inside against them.
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Right...I don't think you were watching the playoffs.

Bynum averaged 17 MPG on 11 PER two years ago, 24 MPG on 17 PER last post season, and he's not exactly a great defensive presence. When they beat the Magic (And Howard), Bynum was hardly a factor. The Lakers dominate the boards....because the Lakers have good rebounders, at every position.

I'd also like to note the Celtics made the finals twice, and actually won once, starting a 6-10 Center. ;)
 
B-Roy said:
I'd also like to note the Celtics made the finals twice, and actually won once, starting a 6-10 Center. ;)
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And might have won their other Finals appearance had he not been injured for Game 7.
 
Minstrel said:
Heh, by that logic, obviously Adam Morrison was as good he needed to be for LA to win two titles.
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Good cheerleaders are tough to find, and the Lakers have the best. I'd like you to not understate his contributions to LA's title teams.
 
Minstrel said:
Heh, by that logic, obviously Adam Morrison was as good he needed to be for LA to win two titles. How do we structure the team to nullify Adam Morrison?

Bynum was no reason they won in the playoffs in 08-09 and while he was good in 09-10, he was hardly a major force. The Lakers won because Kobe and Gasol are both tremendous and they get just enough contribution from everyone else. That really says nothing about how a team must be constructed to beat them except "be more talented than the Lakers."
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Bynum was absolutely integral for the Lakers to beat the Celtics. Even with a bad wheel his size allowed the Lakers to dominate inside.
 
B-Roy said:
To bait you.
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An awful lot of Baitin' goin on in this thread.

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tlongII said:
Surely you can't be serious. :lol: Camby is 37 and Okafor is undersized.
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Camby will be 36 next season until March, and he was very productive last season and even OK in the playoffs. Okafor has played 82 games 3 straight seasons.

What good is a bigger Oden if he is always injured?
 
B-Roy said:
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/andrew_bynum/game_by_game_stats.html

There is Bynum's box score. In 7 games against the Celtics, he had one good game (And they lost too). Yeah, Bynum allowed the Lakers to "dominate" inside.

The guy wasn't even playing against Perkins in game 7 and still put up a stinker.
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I agree with you Bynum isn't super impressive. I will say that Gasol has the seeming length of a 7 foot 10 freak of nature that guy is looooong. I still think length of Pau and Odom combined with even a sub-par performance by Bynum resulted in domination of the glass from tips and tap outs etc.
 
BGrantFan said:
Camby will be 36 next season until March, and he was very productive last season and even OK in the playoffs. Okafor has played 82 games 3 straight seasons.

What good is a bigger Oden if he is always injured?
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What good is Roy if he's injured? Roy's injuries are a lot more chronic looking to me knee joints, ligaments, talus bone. Then Oden's injuries. People have the funniest attitude toward Oden and his injuries. The real question should be is Oden fucking cursed!
 
Idog1976 said:
What good is Roy if he's injured? Roy's injuries are a lot more chronic looking to me knee joints, ligaments, talus bone. Then Oden's injuries. People have the funniest attitude toward Oden and his injuries. The real question should be is Oden fucking cursed!
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All of Oden's major injuries have been in his knees, and two have been season ending. If you can't see how that's different from Roy's...:crazy:
 
Idog1976 said:
What good is Roy if he's injured? Roy's injuries are a lot more chronic looking to me knee joints, ligaments, talus bone. Then Oden's injuries. People have the funniest attitude toward Oden and his injuries. The real question should be is Oden fucking cursed!
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Gee, that couldn't be because he has literally played 1 full season out of the 3 he's been paid, could it? And that doesn't even include his embarrassing playoff performance against Yao while Roy shredded Artest and Battier with a PER of 25.9 in that 6 game series. Roy has made two straight All-NBA teams and three All-Star games. Oden made the sophomore squad on All-Star Saturday, but was too hurt to play.

Valuing Oden over Roy seems idiotic to me (to borrow your line for attacking people for their differing opinion).
 
BGrantFan said:
Gee, that couldn't be because he has literally played 1 full season out of the 3 he's been paid, could it? And that doesn't even include his embarrassing playoff performance against Yao while Roy shredded Artest and Battier with a PER of 25.9 in that 6 game series. Roy has made two straight All-NBA teams and three All-Star games. Oden made the sophomore squad on All-Star Saturday, but was too hurt to play.

Valuing Oden over Roy seems idiotic to me (to borrow your line for attacking people for their differing opinion).
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Well you're wrong and Checkmate, to borrow a line from GOD. :devilwink:

I'm aware of their relevant injury histories. I also note the nature of each. I worry more about Roy's you can call me an idiot or crazy and I'm fine with that. I'm certainly wanting everyone on the team healthy.
 
B-Roy said:
All of Oden's major injuries have been in his knees, and two have been season ending. If you can't see how that's different from Roy's...:crazy:
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I do see how they are different. Most of Roy's injuries going back to college are related to joints and ligaments in his knees as opposed to bones. 3 of oden's four injuries since college have been bone related. Now it's possible he has a congenital bone defect, but this hasn't been proposed or proven by the medical staff. As such these are freak accidents. Roy's hamstring, Talus bone and knee injuries are far more chronic and to me worrying for that reason. It could be Oden will continue to have freak injuries. I certainly wish Oden and Roy the best of health. Roy's longevity concerns me more then Oden's.

Also as I've said elsewhere why would NOH want Oden over Roy? For one year at 5.5 million? After that they have to match other teams offers which would be in the 11+ million range if Oden is healthy, conversely if he is so injury riddled why would they want him for that reason? Seems like a lose, lose proposition for Oden. The one advantage of taking Roy over Oden from NOH (not CP3's position) would be they have him locked up for longer then Paul who can leave in two years.

I don't think NOH should want EITHER Roy or Oden due to expense.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
I don't hate Oden, I just think that after his injuries he's nowhere near the prospect he once was. His lateral movement is horrible and this was before the patella fracture.

If you think he's the prospect we drafted out of Ohio State you're out of your freaking mind.
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I have no problem being insulted by the blind. Greg was moving just fine last year, but that doesn't translate in braille

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I can't wait tell we find out news monday. My hopes of CP3 are dwindling the more I think about it. Although they were small to begin with because I don't want to give up Oden.
 
^ Why don't you want give up Oden ? The dude is a bust. He was picked in front of Durant who is the 3rd best player in the league behind James and Bryant. Oden even when healthy is a decent center at best. You'll get the same production in Okafor as you would with Oden.
 
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