Blazers pick at #31 (MERGED)

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number 10 said:
when draftexpress is back up, compare their numbers/40 minutes, pace adjusted. Blair is a phenomenal rebounder.
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So is Griffin, and Griffin isn't undersized. I didn't like Blair before the draft, yet I was blasted for even comparing him to Robert Traylor. At last Traylor got a guaranteed deal out of the draft.
 
PapaG said:
So is Griffin, and Griffin isn't undersized. I didn't like Blair before the draft, yet I was blasted for even comparing him to Robert Traylor. At last Traylor got a guaranteed deal out of the draft.
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Blair's numbers are much better than Griffin's.
 
number 10 said:
Blair's numbers are much better than Griffin's.
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Huh? At best, they are equals at rebounding, and Blair's big body isn't as unique in the NBA. People are still talking about him like he's a lottery pick. He's not. He may not even make an NBA roster next year.
 
Re: Claver is Portland's Pick (MERGED)

PapaG said:
He at least gets a look at a good player in Pendergraph, but w/out having to guarantee him for at least 3 years. Many people here thought Sergio may simply be renounced.
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In my opinion turning a late first round pick from a couple of years ago into 1.6 million in cap room and a solid senior power forward who has made a living off of tough play and won't demand a lot of PT is a win-win, especially considering that Sergio had made it no secret that he wanted out of Portland. Now he gets a chance to maybe compete with Evans and Udrih in Sacramento for the point guard minutes and I wouldn't be shocked if he got himself some regular rotation minutes in the 15-18 minute range ... or not and it won't matter to me one tinkers damn because he's a king now.
 
PapaG said:
Huh? At best, they are equals at rebounding, and Blair's big body isn't as unique in the NBA. People are still talking about him like he's a lottery pick. He's not. He may not even make an NBA roster next year.
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pace adjusted per 40 minutes, Blair is the better rebounder. Only John Bryant of Santa Clara was statistically better.
 
Would it have been cheaper to just cut Sergio, rather than pay the Kings $3 mil bucks to take him.
 
PapaG said:
2nd rounder.
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no fucking shit. There must be something else (eg his knees), because statistically he's one of the best NCAA rebounders in the last few years, like I originally claimed.
 
number 10 said:
pace adjusted per 40 minutes, Blair is the better rebounder. Only John Bryant of Santa Clara was statistically better.
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Well then son of a bitch! Why didn't we pick John Rebound machine Bryant? KP passed on him 3 times. What a an ass.
 
alex42083 said:
Would it have been cheaper to just cut Sergio, rather than pay the Kings $3 mil bucks to take him.
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Cheaper in what sense? If you cut him you're still on the hook for his salary as a caphold, but if you trade him for an un-guaranteed contract you give yourself 1.6 million more in cap room to play around with in free agency which could be the make it or break it amount in a lopsided trade or a contract offer for a free agent (or two).

Cheaper in dollars, but maybe more expensive in opportunity cost
 
Nikolokolus said:
Cheaper in what sense? If you cut him you're still on the hook for his salary as a caphold, but if you trade him for an un-guaranteed contract you give yourself 1.6 million more in cap room to play around with in free agency which could be the make it or break it amount in a lopsided trade or a contract offer for a free agent (or two).
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He'd still be a caphold if we just renounced him with his salary? Does it work that way?
 
alex42083 said:
He'd still be a caphold if we just renounced him with his salary? Does it work that way?
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Yes, otherwise we wouldn't have been carrying Steve Francis' bloated deal around for the last two years.
 
alex42083 said:
He'd still be a caphold if we just renounced him with his salary? Does it work that way?
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He's not a free agent. Renouncing him still leaves Portland on the hook for his salary and cap hold.

If that weren't the case, teams could just "renounce" their bad contracts to get under the cap.
 
Good points. Thanks for clarifying that, I forgot about that.
 
alex42083 said:
Would it have been cheaper to just cut Sergio, rather than pay the Kings $3 mil bucks to take him.
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cheaper yes, but if we cut him we still would have to pay his salary. so he still hurts our cap space..


Oops I guess I was too slow
 
alex42083 said:
He'd still be a caphold if we just renounced him with his salary? Does it work that way?
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haven't you heard of people saying things like "But we'd have to take on (awful player X) salary" why do you think teams do that...
 
westnob said:
haven't you heard of people saying things like "But we'd have to take on (awful player X) salary" why do you think teams do that...
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Yep I've heard of it. Now I know how DaRizzle felt on his whole clock stops on the whistle debacle.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
We had to give up Sergio + Cash? Wow, he really had no value.
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Consider it the same as paying for the rights to some extra cap space ... I'm guessing it's needed in order to pull off a trade that will be announced after next year's salaries kick in, when we can do a lopsided deal. Call me crazy, but I think we're trading Cunningham, Claver, Blake and Outlaw for Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.
 
Did the Blazers work out Pendergraph? I don't remember if we did or not.. and the same with Cunningham. Was Cunningham ever here? Just wondering.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Consider it the same as paying for the rights to some extra cap space ... I'm guessing it's needed in order to pull off a trade that will be announced after next year's salaries kick in, when we can do a lopsided deal. Call me crazy, but I think we're trading Cunningham, Claver, Blake and Outlaw for Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.
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you crazy. hope you're right, that would be epic.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Consider it the same as paying for the rights to some extra cap space ... I'm guessing it's needed in order to pull off a trade that will be announced after next year's salaries kick in, when we can do a lopsided deal. Call me crazy, but I think we're trading Cunningham, Claver, Blake and Outlaw for Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.
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That would be crazy.

Hinrich/Bayless
Roy/Rudy/Webster
Deng/Batum/Webster
LMA/Pendergraph (possibly Deng in a small lineup?)
Oden/Przybilla.

I like it a lot.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Consider it the same as paying for the rights to some extra cap space ... I'm guessing it's needed in order to pull off a trade that will be announced after next year's salaries kick in, when we can do a lopsided deal. Call me crazy, but I think we're trading Cunningham, Claver, Blake and Outlaw for Luol Deng and Kirk Hinrich.
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My life would be complete if that happened.
 
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