Blazers playoff PER

[Draco]

Andre 22.2
LaMarcus 19.9
Chris J 18.7
Roy 16.9
Camby 15.1
Wallace 12.8
Batum 12.3
Wesley 12.0
Rudy 6.0

 

[magnifier661]

Wow I didn't know Welsey was so low! And to think of it, if Batum didn't play well last night; he would be even lower than Wesley. I think my surprise is Roy and CJ is actually a "non-factor" IMO, since he played such limited minutes. Just proves that Miller has been the MVP of this series.

 

[Minstrel]

Wallace 12.8
Batum 12.3
Wesley 12.0

This is why Portland is losing the series. They really need production from these three guys.

 

[Draco]

Wow I didn't know Welsey was so low! And to think of it, if Batum didn't play well last night; he would be even lower than Wesley. I think my surprise is Roy and CJ is actually a "non-factor" IMO, since he played such limited minutes. Just proves that Miller has been the MVP of this series.

Yes I think CJ only played 14 total minutes, so his PER has had little overall significance.

 

[Draco]

This is why Portland is losing the series. They really need production from these three guys.

Remember a year ago when there were all the Gerald Wallace rumors but we'd have to give up Batum?

Right now its looking like Dante could do better than both!

 

[blazerboy30]

This is why Portland is losing the series. They really need production from these three guys.

Exactly right. Those 3 guys need to step up or we are done.

And also, we should have waived Miller.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yes I think CJ only played 14 total minutes, so his PER has had little overall significance.

I disagree with this. Yes, it's a "small sample size", but his short stints have been significant and effective. He was a major contributor to the game 3 win, and our best stretch in game 5 was when he played in the 2nd quarter. Considering how badly we're getting destroyed on the backboards, and how fearlessly the Mavs attack us in the paint, I think more CJ would be a good thing.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Andre 22.2
LaMarcus 19.9
Chris J 18.7
Roy 16.9
Camby 15.1
Wallace 12.8
Batum 12.3
Wesley 12.0
Rudy 6.0

But he doesn't play the way WE want to play.

BNM

 

[Draco]

I disagree with this. Yes, it's a "small sample size", but his short stints have been significant and effective. He was a major contributor to the game 3 win, and our best stretch in game 5 was when he played in the 2nd quarter. Considering how badly we're getting destroyed on the backboards, and how fearlessly the Mavs attack us in the paint, I think more CJ would be a good thing.

CJ has been effective and a very pleasant surprise in his limited minutes. I don't think him playing had an effect on the ultimate outcome of either game and thus I would have to classify it as irrelevant. I believe we still win game 3 without Chris. Miller/Roy/LaMarcus did good things in our wins and I believe we don't have 2 wins without their performances. Likewise Gerald, Batum and Matthews have been very bad for stretches and we probably have more than two wins if they had played very well. That’s why I think everyone’s PER has significance except for Chris Johnsons.

It sure would be interesting to see what happens if Chris gets extended time in one of these last two games but my brain tells me its silly to mess with lineups even if certain players have struggled for 5 games. Batum and especially Wallace played great all season, should Chris really get minutes over those two right now due to 14 minutes of better than expected play? If Camby or LaMarcus has foul trouble then I could see Nate giving Chris some minutes but outside of that I don’t think you can reduce minutes from your top 7 players at this point in the season.

 

[mercykersey]

Play CJ, Fuck the small lineup, anytime camby or aldridge sits put in CJ, he has definately been a spark everytime hes in the game. I know dallas is hoping he doesnt get in the game, he blocks there shot or blocks them out everytime hes in the game.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

CJ has been effective and a very pleasant surprise in his limited minutes. I don't think him playing had an effect on the ultimate outcome of either game and thus I would have to classify it as irrelevant. I believe we still win game 3 without Chris.

This is debatable, to be sure. We were +7 in the 6 minutes he played in game 3, a game we won by 5 points. He blocked 2 shots in his 6 minutes. I think it's very possible that we lose that game without his contribution.

As for game 5, Johnson's +12 in 6 minutes and Chandler's 13 offensive rebounds both suggest that while he didn't have "an ultimate effect on the outcome", perhaps additional run for him in the 3rd/4th might have had an impact.

It sure would be interesting to see what happens if Chris gets extended time in one of these last two games but my brain tells me its silly to mess with lineups even if certain players have struggled for 5 games. Batum and especially Wallace played great all season, should Chris really get minutes over those two right now due to 14 minutes of better than expected play?

IMO, Dallas wants us to play small, so I would rather we do the opposite. No, I wouldn't reduce Batum or Wallace's minutes, but I sure wouldn't mind seeing Rudy's minutes go down in favor of more CJ.

 

[illmatic99]

As a comparison, for DAL:

Dirk - 23.3
Kidd- 22.5
Terry- 18.7
Peja- 16.4 - WTF
Marion- 15.7
Chandler -15.1
Haywood- 11.6
Stevenson- 4.7
Barea- 1.2 - LOL

 

[jlprk]

The damn +/- site isn't giving per minute, so I had to use my spreadsheet.

+/- per 48 minutes...series +/-...series minutes

BLAZERS
58.1 17 14.1 C. Johnson
37.3 4 5.2 P. Mills
0 0 0.3 E. Barron
0 0 0.3 A. Johnson
-2.1 -3 68.1 R. Fernandez
-3.2 -13 192.8 G. Wallace
-4.6 -12 124.5 M. Camby
-4.7 -16 164.2 W. Matthews
-4.9 -11 108.6 B. Roy
-6.6 -23 168.2 A. Miller
-8.5 -38 215.0 L. Aldridge
-8.7 -25 138.7 N. Batum

MAVERICKS
10.4 37 171.3 J. Kidd
8.4 17 97.5 B. Haywood
7.2 29 192.8 D. Nowitzki
6.7 23 165.5 J. Terry
4.1 12 139.9 T. Chandler
3.8 12 153.4 S. Marion
2.9 7 117.3 P. Stojakovic
0 0 0.3 I. Mahinmi
0 0 1.9 B. Cardinal
-0.7 -1 65.4 D. Stevenson
-7.9 -15 90.8 J. Barea
-12.1 -1 4.0 C. Brewer

 

[mook]

This is why Portland is losing the series. They really need production from these three guys.

Right on. I'd add that if you want to make a list of our top "slashers" on this team, it's the same people. Plus Andre Miller.

Yet why is it Miller is the only guy who seems to regularly drive into the paint? Wallace, Batum and Wesley need to realize that they can get right by Peja/Terry/Dirk/Barea when they are 20 feet out. Sure Chandler's there at the rim, but he's also got to worry about Aldridge on the offensive board or the drive-and-dish. If he hesitates on coming over to block, drive into the fucker and draw the blocking foul. If he does try to block it, lob it high for Aldridge or kick it back out.

Other than Marion and Stevenson, they have mediocre (Kidd) to lousy (everyone else) defenders on the perimeter. Dribble penetration is right there waiting to happen on so many plays, and yet our guys just don't take advantage of it. I'm especially disappointed in Wallace in this regard.

 

[PapaG]

But he doesn't play the way WE want to play.

BNM

Kidd has a higher PER than Miller for the series, just as Nash did last year.

 

[Minstrel]

Kidd has a higher PER than Miller for the series, just as Nash did last year.

22.5 to 22.2? Desperate.

 

[blazerboy30]

Kidd has a higher PER than Miller for the series, just as Nash did last year.

We should have waived him.

 

[PapaG]

22.5 to 22.2? Desperate.

Miller doesn't play defense. I was replying to the post that said the he doesn't play how we want him to play.

That's true for me. I want a PG that plays defense. At present, Miller is the best option, though.

 

[magnifier661]

Miller doesn't play defense. I was replying to the post that said the he doesn't play how we want him to play.

That's true for me. I want a PG that plays defense. At present, Miller is the best option, though.

I think Miller did a fine job so far. You are entitled to your opinion though. Personally, I think Miller is a very underrated defender.

 

[Minstrel]

Miller doesn't play defense. I was replying to the post that said the he doesn't play how we want him to play.

That's true for me. I want a PG that plays defense. At present, Miller is the best option, though.

He's not a good man defender anymore, as he's lost lateral quickness. He's a pretty good team defender. He's very good with rotations and doubles.

 

[blazerboy30]

Miller doesn't play defense. I was replying to the post that said the he doesn't play how we want him to play.

And you use the comparison of Kidd's and Miller's PER and evidence of Miller not playing defense? And your argument is even weaker when considering that Miller hasn't guarded Kidd for much of the series while Matthews has guarded Kidd.

Incredibly stupid and desperate post.

 

[Draco]

Miller doesn't play defense. I was replying to the post that said the he doesn't play how we want him to play.

That's true for me. I want a PG that plays defense. At present, Miller is the best option, though.

Our defense has been pretty solid this series, sure it could always be better but I would have thought Dallas would been scoring more if you asked me 2 weeks ago.

We're losing because of our offense; lack of 3 point shooters and 11 point quarters. If you replace Miller's great offense and sub-par defense with a good defender who can't score I think we'd be even worse.

 

[PapaG]

Our defense has been pretty solid this series, sure it could always be better but I would have thought Dallas would been scoring more if you asked me 2 weeks ago.

We're losing because of our offense; lack of 3 point shooters and 11 point quarters. If you replace Miller's great offense and sub-par defense with a good defender who can't score I think we'd be even worse.

T-14th in D EFF at 107.5 isn't solid, IMO.

Tied with Denver, and only New Orleans is worse.

http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/defensiveEff/seasontype/3

 

[PapaG]

And you use the comparison of Kidd's and Miller's PER and evidence of Miller not playing defense? And your argument is even weaker when considering that Miller hasn't guarded Kidd for much of the series while Matthews has guarded Kidd.

Incredibly stupid and desperate post.

Untrue, and the perimeter players have played a lot of zone, regardless.

If you can't argue the stats that I posted, flame the post.

Suddenly Miller is an underrated defender, opposing PG stats don't matter (nevermind that Terry is at an 18.7 PER off of the bench), and it's stupid and desperate to post that the Blazers are next-to-last in playoff DEF efficiency.

So, who authored the incredibly stupid and desperate post, because it wasn't me...

 

[blazerboy30]

Untrue,

It is true. Matthews has started out guarding Kidd the last 4 games. Have you not watched the series?

and the perimeter players have played a lot of zone, regardless.

Which makes your "argument" of comparing Kidd's to Miller's PER even more stupid and ridiculous.

If you can't argue the stats that I posted, flame the post.

There is no arguing the stats, they are the correct numbers. You're interpretation of them, and thus, your post, was incredibly stupid.

Suddenly Miller is an underrated defender, opposing PG stats don't matter

Strawman alert.

(nevermind that Terry is at an 18.7 PER off of the bench), and it's stupid and desperate to post that the Blazers are next-to-last in playoff DEF efficiency.

Now you're just combining different arguments from different people so you can fill the victim role.

So, who authored the incredibly stupid and desperate post, because it wasn't me...

It was you... the one using the comparison of Kidd and Miller's PER as proof that "Miller doesn't play the way we want" or "play defense".

 

[PapaG]

It is true. Matthews has started out guarding Kidd the last 4 games. Have you not watched the series?



Which makes your "argument" of comparing Kidd's to Miller's PER even more stupid and ridiculous.



There is no arguing the stats, they are the correct numbers. You're interpretation of them, and thus, your post, was incredibly stupid.



Strawman alert.



Now you're just combining different arguments from different people so you can fill the victim role.



It was you... the one using the comparison of Kidd and Miller's PER as proof that "Miller doesn't play the way we want" or "play defense".

Miller can't defend the opposing PG, so a SG has to do it, and the SG is failing miserably.

 

[blazerboy30]

Miller can't defend the opposing PG, so a SG has to do it, and the SG is failing miserably.

Has Miller's team ever won a playoff series?

 

[Minstrel]

Has Miller's team ever won a playoff series?

No, and that's a fact, mister.

 

[THE HCP]

We didn't bring Dre in here for his D! That was Greg's job!

 

[PapaG]

We didn't bring Dre in here for his D! That was Greg's job!

I agree with that. What I find funny is people trying to tell me that Miller is decent on defense. He's not, to the point that the must be hidden on that end of the court.

He is a great offensive floor general, though, and all he needs this series is some help from Matthews, Batum, and Wallace to actually finish plays. Nobody on the Mavs can match-up with Andre, either, so that's a plus.