Blazers playoff PER

[Minstrel]

I agree with that. What I find funny is people trying to tell me that Miller is decent on defense. He's not

He is, when it comes to team defense. There's man defense and team defense. Miller used to be a solid man defender, but has lost some quickness. He's still a good man defender in the post and in staying with and contesting shooters, but struggles with quick guards who can penetrate. He's always been a good team defender, and remains so.

I find your view on Miller's defense superficial and lacking nuance.

 

[PapaG]

He is, when it comes to team defense. There's man defense and team defense. Miller used to be a solid man defender, but has lost some quickness. He's still a good man defender in the post and in staying with and contesting shooters, but struggles with quick guards who can penetrate. He's always been a good team defender, and remains so.

I find your view on Miller's defense superficial and lacking nuance.

He's not, according to the stats I posted. The Blazers' are playing terrible team defense, and the stats show it. Who cares about a PG's post defense, anyhow?

Pointing out that Miller is a poor defender isn't exactly bashing the guy, and I already gave him props for his play on offense. I'll form my opinion of his defense in this series based on the stats of the series, and you can form yours based on ... what exactly?

 

[Minstrel]

He's not, according to the stats I posted. The Blazers' are playing terrible team defense, and the stats show it.

Can you see where you went wrong there?

Hint: Andre Miller is not the entire team and using the team stats to determine the play of a single player is beyond silly. (Okay, admittedly, that was a BIG hint.)

Who cares about a PG's post defense, anyhow?

Me, when an opposing guard posts up and Miller is defending him.

Pointing out that Miller is a poor defender isn't exactly bashing the guy

Well, it is. It's bashing his defense. Nothing wrong with doing so, though, except that I think it's inaccurate in the ways that I mentioned.

I'll form my opinion of his defense in this series based on the stats of the entire team's defense

I edited your opinion, above, for accuracy so that you don't have to print a retraction later. You are welcome.

 

[PapaG]

Can you see where you went wrong there?

Hint: Andre Miller is not the entire team and using the team stats to determine the play of a single player is beyond silly. (Okay, admittedly, that was a BIG hint.)

You said Miller was a solid team defender, yet the team is performing poorly on defense. Of the below, who is the weak link defensively, of the 6 Blazers playing the most minutes in the series?

Miller
Matthews/Batum
Wallace
LMA
Camby

Are those other slugs performing so poorly that they are negating Andre's stellar team defense? Do tell, I'd like to know.

Me, when an opposing guard posts up and Miller is defending him.

Jason Terry isn't posting up Miller, and Matthews is defending Kidd in the post. Is Nate wasting Andre's obvious strength?

Well, it is. It's bashing his defense. Nothing wrong with doing so, though, except that I think it's inaccurate in the ways that I mentioned.

I know that's what you think. The actual stats aren't showing it, though. I guess I don't see how calling a poor defender a "poor defender" is bashing him. It seems more like saying the truth.

I edited your opinion, above, for accuracy so that you don't have to print a retraction later. You are welcome.

That's not true, though. Miller can't defend the opposing PG, meaning that Kidd has a SG defending him. That plays into team defense, or the lack of team defense.

Likewise, you're welcome.

 

[Minstrel]

You said Miller was a solid team defender, yet the team is performing poorly on defense. Of the below, who is the weak link defensively, of the 6 Blazers playing the most minutes in the series?

Miller
Matthews/Batum
Wallace
LMA
Camby

Are those other slugs performing so poorly that they are negating Andre's stellar team defense? Do tell, I'd like to know.

I'd say that most of the players are performing below their usual levels in this series, most notably Batum (probably my favourite Blazer) and Matthews. Miller's man defense hurts the team's overall defense, obviously, but his team defense isn't, IMO.

Jason Terry isn't posting up Miller, and Matthews is defending Kidd in the post. Is Nate wasting Andre's obvious strength?

Miller has defended Kidd in the post. He even picked up Marion in the post at least once, on a switch, and was surprisingly effective at holding his ground against the much bigger player, though Marion ended up rising up and shooting over him. Most point guards, though, would have been destroyed in the post by Marion, not simply beaten by a contested fade-away jumper from 10 feet out.

The actual stats aren't showing it, though.

Actual stats used badly aren't showing it. Agreed.

That's not true, though. Miller can't defend the opposing PG, meaning that Kidd has a SG defending him. That plays into team defense, or the lack of team defense.

That plays into the team's overall defense, but that is his man defense. It's a pretty silly semantic game to say that his man defense hurting the team's overall defense shows that his team defense is bad too. There are two types of defense, both of which can have an effect on the team's overall defense. Miller struggles with one (man defense) and is pretty good with the other (team defense).

 

[blazerboy30]

Miller hasn't guarded Kidd for much of the series while Matthews has guarded Kidd.

And in response:

Untrue, and the perimeter players have played a lot of zone, regardless.

Then later in the thread:

Matthews is defending Kidd in the post.

meaning that Kidd has a SG defending him.

Excellent logic and consistency shown in these posts, PapaG.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Matthews has been terrible on defense. He is very bad at getting around picks.

 

[PapaG]

And in response:



Then later in the thread:





Excellent logic and consistency shown in these posts, PapaG.

My point is that Miller is a poor defender, and he has guarded Kidd at times in the series.

Also, I had a thread closed for baiting, but what are you doing, other than baiting?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Also, I had a thread closed for baiting, but what are you doing, other than baiting?

You might say he is working to master his baiting.