Blazers rebuffing Cavs' offers for Aldridge

[Rhal]

Just to gauge where I'm at here, which of you would not trade LMA straight up for Davis, if that was somehow possible?

Edit: I'm not saying that Noel is Davis or anything else. Simple question. If you were GM and NOP called you and said "Davis for LMA". That's all.

Noel isn't close to davis as a prospect. Numbers in college don't tell the whole story, Thomas Robinson had better numbers then Davis last year and wasn't even considered as a player who could oust davis from the #1 spot.

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[Sinobas]

People are strange man. They would rather downgrade a superstar for a player that had a serious injury and less than 50lbs. on Aldridge.

The scenarios I see are ridiculous. Any trade involving Aldridge better net us two up and coming all star potential or a allstar. It's that simple.

Even then, losing out only low post scorer will kill any diversity for Lillard to do his magic. Remember what happened to Rose in the playoffs? Teams bunkered in the paint and ran double and triple teams on rose. Basically took the entire team out of the game.

We need a low post scorer and Aldridge is one of the best at it right now.

You think LaMarcus is a superstar and a low post scorer?

 

[RR7]

Aldridge is one of the top post scorers in the league, yes.

 

[Pinwheel1]

You think LaMarcus is a superstar and a low post scorer?

I would not consider LaMarcus a super star, but I don't think there are too many players who are better low post scorers. He may not do it as much as you like, but the threat is always there. Personally I prefer an offense to run through the guards, but to do that you have to have a low post threat. LaMarcus is better than most. He just also happens to be a pretty good medium range shooter as well.

So if you get rid of him, which I am not totally against, you have to replace him in order to get to the next level of success. Guys like JJ and Millsap are not going to cut it.

 

[Rhal]

You think LaMarcus is a superstar and a low post scorer?

The perception that LA doesn't score in the paint has swept through this board for some reason. He shoots about half his shots outside the paint and the rest inside it. I doubt there are more then a handful of players in the nba that take more shots in the paint then LMA.
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[BrianFromWA]

You would be wrong.
He actually shot 38% of his shots inside the paint, and 61% of his shots outside. (1% 3pt)
His make % is 57% in the paint, and 43% outside.
He had the most shots 9-22 feet in the NBA (804; 130 more than #2 on the list) and he shot 42.7% on them.
He was #37 in total shots 9feet and in--more than "a handful" shot more. Among them? Tristan "Can't hold LMA's jock" Thompson and JJ Hickson.

The perception that LMA plays like LaMonster more than a few times a year is sweeping through this board and affecting people in weird ways.

 

[RR7]

Tristan "Can't hold LMA's jock" Thompson and JJ Hickson.

The perception that LMA plays like LaMonster more than a few times a year is sweeping through this board and affecting people in weird ways.

Of course, you do know there's a difference between just getting points in the paint, and scoring from the post. Hopefully by watching the Blazers, and JJ this season, you know that. Tipping in an offensive rebound does not make one a good post scorer. Cutting to the basket and getting a good pass does not make one a good post scorer. SO just showing shot charts to show how good a post scorer is doesn't give you a real accurate measurement. Tristan Thompson's most effective use as an offensive player was on ORBs, transition, and cuts to the basket. 2nd worst was in the post. He's actually very similar offensively to JJ Hickson, in that they're both kind of hustle/"garbage" players. Of course, not a garbage player, but doing the garbage work to get scores. There's a place for those guys for sure. And maybe both will turn into great post scorers as they age. Doubtful, but possible. But neither are even good post scorers.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm not saying they're great interior players. I was refuting Rhal's point that only a handful of people who take more shots in the paint than LMA. There are 36. Of which, Thompson and Hickson are two of them. That's all.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not saying they're great interior players. I was refuting Rhal's point that only a handful of people who take more shots in the paint than LMA. There are 36. Of which, Thompson and Hickson are two of them. That's all.

And how much of that has to do with Aldridge or the coach? I seem to remember the outside shots were very heavy in the beginning of the season and he started banging more in the paint mid to late season. He had some monster games the last two months and publicly said he's going to work on his low block game this summer.

Seems that Aldridge knows in order for his team to be successful; he needs to live in the block. And who better on our team than a dedicated post player like Aldridge?

 

[BlazerWookee]

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think we can all agree that you never want a predictable offense. So you need various options.
I think posting someone up one-third of the time is ample. You can do that with LMA. You couldn't do that with someone like Thomson or Hickson. Not come playoff time anyways.

Now I wouldn't say LMA is ideal at it when the defense knows it is coming, but if you have wings who can score (Along with a PG) then it shouldn't be as predictable. Most players do not handle a double team very well, LMA is no exception. But he is better at it then many. I think the less predictable you are the less effective the double teams become.

Regardless you need someone as good as LMA in the post and they are not that easy to find. Some appear to be, but once the defenses start to prepare a game plan to stop them, they don't end up being as good as we thought.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I think we can all agree that you never want a predictable offense. So you need various options.
I think posting someone up one-third of the time is ample. You can do that with LMA. You couldn't do that with someone like Thomson or Hickson. Not come playoff time anyways.

Now I wouldn't say LMA is ideal at it when the defense knows it is coming, but if you have wings who can score (Along with a PG) then it shouldn't be as predictable. Most players do not handle a double team very well, LMA is no exception. But he is better at it then many. I think the less predictable you are the less effective the double teams become.

Regardless you need someone as good as LMA in the post and they are not that easy to find. Some appear to be, but once the defenses start to prepare a game plan to stop them, they don't end up being as good as we thought.

Generally, I agree. But the best teams.... You know what they're going to do, but they're so efficient and effective, they're still going to beat you.

 

[Rhal]

Seems that I did the old "spit out a statistic that you remember without double checking it first" and Brian caught me. Well played Sir.

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[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Seems that I did the old "spit out a statistic that you remember without double checking it first" and Brian caught me. Well played Sir.

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Would you say you were owned, like S2 owns HCP's wife?

 

[STOMP]

The perception that LMA plays like LaMonster more than a few times a year is sweeping through this board and affecting people in weird ways.

LA plays on the low block when paired with a Big who can effectively play on the high post (like Camby). He plays on the high post when paired with Bigs who are low post only (like JJ). It's great that he can be effective from either spot though I'm hoping they add a quality Big who excels from the top of the key because LA kills on the low block

STOMP

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

LA plays on the low block when paired with a Big who can effectively play on the high post (like Camby). He plays on the high post when paired with Bigs who are low post only (like JJ). It's great that he can be effective from either spot though I'm hoping they add a quality Big who excels from the top of the key because LA kills on the low block

STOMP

We essentially need Pau Gasol in his prime.

Great passer, good post skills, solid outside shot.

 

[Pinwheel1]

We essentially need Pau Gasol in his prime.

Great passer, good post skills, solid outside shot.

This is a good point, so who on the short list does that include. (Besides DMC) It kind of decreases the size of our list. Certainly not Dalembert or Asik, or McGee, or Jordan.

I am beginning to think that our best bet is teaching Leonard how to play D. He is actually a decent passer and has a solid outside shot.

 

[Natebishop3]

The league is all about wing players these days, so I guess you have to wonder if McLemore or Oladipo are worth the #1 pick. If they are, you draft the better of the two and use your cap space to replace LMA.

 

[PapaG]

The league is all about wing players these days, so I guess you have to wonder if McLemore or Oladipo are worth the #1 pick. If they are, you draft the better of the two and use your cap space to replace LMA.

Tim Duncan, David West, and Roy Hibbert say otherwise. Plus, LeBron isn't exactly a "wing" player, considering he's been defending West at times, and plays PF at times, too.

 

[Pinwheel1]

The league is all about wing players these days, so I guess you have to wonder if McLemore or Oladipo are worth the #1 pick. If they are, you draft the better of the two and use your cap space to replace LMA.

This is why I have not completely disagreed with trading him. Even though everything I have posted in this thread supports keeping him, having one of the best young back courts in the league gets me excited.

If management was sure on either of these two guys then I would do it. But if they are not sure, keeping LMA and taking a gamble on Shabazz, Pope, or McCollum seems a lot safer.

 

[Natebishop3]

Tim Duncan, David West, and Roy Hibbert say otherwise. Plus, LeBron isn't exactly a "wing" player, considering he's been defending West at times, and plays PF at times, too.

I guess we'll see who wins it all. If Indy or San Antonio pull it off and win the whole thing, I'll agree with you. But LMA is nothing like Duncan or Hibbert, and Brian has shown that Aldridge is not a true post player.

 

[magnifier661]

I guess we'll see who wins it all. If Indy or San Antonio pull it off and win the whole thing, I'll agree with you. But LMA is nothing like Duncan or Hibbert, and Brian has shown that Aldridge is not a true post player.

Actually he is a post player. You should see the first half to second half Aldridge. Aldridge also was injured and coming off surgery at the beginning of the season. He shot way more from the perimeter at the beginning and skewd the season average

 

[PapaG]

I guess we'll see who wins it all. If Indy or San Antonio pull it off and win the whole thing, I'll agree with you. But LMA is nothing like Duncan or Hibbert, and Brian has shown that Aldridge is not a true post player.

Who is calling LMA a pure post player? He's one of the best post scorers in the NBA, that is irrefutable, but he extends the floor.

If Miami wins it, it's because of LeBron James, who is a 4-time MVP and one of the greatest players of all-time, regardless of position.

 

[PapaG]

What does Tristan Thompson do well as a 6'8" PF? Waiters shot 41% from the field and 31% from 3pt. Noel is a project.

Lillard and LMA are the way to go for at least another year.

 

[RR7]

I guess we'll see who wins it all. If Indy or San Antonio pull it off and win the whole thing, I'll agree with you. But LMA is nothing like Duncan or Hibbert, and Brian has shown that Aldridge is not a true post player.

What PFs, then, are "true" post players?

 

[Natebishop3]

What PFs, then, are "true" post players?

I said the league favors wings.

PapaG said that Duncan, West, and Hibbert disagree, so I'm guessing those three players?

 

[PapaG]

I said the league favors wings.

PapaG said that Duncan, West, and Hibbert disagree, so I'm guessing those three players?

They aren't wing players, yet all three have been the most important players in the playoffs this year. Duncan destroyed ZBO in the WCF. You said the league is "all about wing" players. Of the wing players left, LeBron is a freak, and George has a PER of 17. All three teams left with a shot either have a freakish wing, or bigs that dominate the style of play.

 

[PapaG]

I said the league favors wings.

No you didn't. You said the league is "all about wing players".

The league is all about wing players these days

 

[Natebishop3]

No you didn't. You said the league is "all about wing players".

Sorry I didn't post my exact quote

 

[Pinwheel1]

They aren't wing players, yet all three have been the most important players in the playoffs this year. Duncan destroyed ZBO in the WCF. You said the league is "all about wing" players. Of the wing players left, LeBron is a freak, and George has a PER of 17. All three teams left with a shot either have a freakish wing, or bigs that dominate the style of play.

The most dominant player for SA was obviously Tony Parker. He controlled the game. The success of that team starts and ends with him.