Blazers rebuffing Cavs' offers for Aldridge

[magnifier661]

Ya LA seems to really get up for those DAL/SAS games. I really want to see what he can do if his minutes are cut down to like 35 per game and he doesn't have to try to bang with bigger guys on either end for half the game.

I'm thinking his efficiency will improve vastly. As an aside, I expect the same for Dame with fewer minutes.

I think this is the key. We find enough help to have a capable back up pf; like a mark Bryant type player; and you can cut his minutes down.

35 minutes a game is key for Aldridge because he knows he can bang harder and doesn't have to pace himself throughout the game:

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Karl Malone was a below average defender, yet considered one of the best power forwards in the game. Guess your entire premises got blown out of the water.

Except that his premise was about 7-footers (of which Aldridge is one, whether he wants to admit it or not), not "power forwards". Plus, Malone was one of the greatest scorers the league has ever seen, which Aldridge is not, so that is not a very valid comparison.

I think this is the key. We find enough help to have a capable back up pf; like a mark Bryant type player; and you can cut his minutes down.

I always loved Mark Bryant (No Hibbert). I so wish we could get a clone of him on our bench.

 

[magnifier661]

besides having similar size/length & game, LA has been wiping the floor when matched against Duncan for years now... look it up

& whats a "true post player"? One who can't operate outside of the low block in half court sets? By that description Duncan isn't a true post player either. Again, LA plays on the high post when matched with a one dimensional low post only Big like JJ. He can also dominate on the low block when matched with a high post Big like Camby. I suspect the team wants to put LaMarcus down low again, which is part of why they turned the page on your guy JJ

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Makes me think that maybe a player like gortat should be the target. He plays high post extremely well, great passer, and has a decent stroke from 10-12 feet to keep the defense honest.

 

[RR7]

Gortat doesn't really play out of the high post ever.

 

[magnifier661]

Except that his premise was about 7-footers (of which Aldridge is one, whether he wants to admit it or not), not "power forwards". Plus, Malone was one of the greatest scorers the league has ever seen, which Aldridge is not, so that is not a very valid comparison.



I always loved Mark Bryant (No Hibbert). I so wish we could get a clone of him on our bench.

He said when a player focuses of the offensive end; which Malone did. So I believe it applies.

Obviously Aldridge can't score like Malone; but Aldridge is a better defender.

 

[magnifier661]

Gortat doesn't really play out of the high post ever.

Are you sure? All the games I see; I've seen him at that high pick and roll.

 

[Reep]

Karl Malone was a below average defender, yet considered one of the best power forwards in the game. Guess your entire premises got blown out of the water.

3× All-Defensive First Team (1997–1999)

 

[magnifier661]

3× All-Defensive First Team (1997–1999)

So there is a chance that Aldridge can get there? Those were years 12, 13, 14 in the league. Aldridge has only been in the league for 7 years. He's got 6 more years to develop that facet of his game. The years before 12, 13 and 14 where below average on the defensive end.

 

[Reep]

So there is a chance that Aldridge can get there? Those were years 12, 13, 14 in the league. Aldridge has only been in the league for 7 years. He's got 6 more years to develop that facet of his game. The years before 12, 13 and 14 where below average on the defensive end.

Honestly, if LMA can stay healthy enough I would not be surprised to see him there. With his decent footwork and long arms, and more savvy, he could certainly do it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Smokescreen? Just trying to get the Cavs to sweeten the pot?

BNM

Everything is a negotiation. There are always terms that can be reached, it just depends on how far apart the two sides are.

Having said that, I don't think Olshey is eager to get rid of Aldridge; I think he's going to want a pretty sweet deal to get rid of an all-star big man in his prime.

 

[magnifier661]

Everything is a negotiation. There are always terms that can be reached, it just depends on how far apart the two sides are.

Having said that, I don't think Olshey is eager to get rid of Aldridge; I think he's going to want a pretty sweet deal to get rid of an all-star big man in his prime.

Yeah and as the saying goes "Usually the deals that are rumored are the ones that aren't happening". I know there have been rumored deals that panned out, but I would bet more than 80% of them weren't even on the table. My personal opinion though.

 

[Rhal]

Everything is a negotiation. There are always terms that can be reached, it just depends on how far apart the two sides are.

Having said that, I don't think Olshey is eager to get rid of Aldridge; I think he's going to want a pretty sweet deal to get rid of an all-star big man in his prime.

I agree that its going to take a really great offer to get Olshey to move LA, its also got me thinking that if the cavs can't find an all-star big for the #1 pick they may make an insane trade to get one. If they think having a really good all-star PF/C will bring them Lebron I can see a ridiculous offer for Love/Lopez/LMA of #1/#19/TT/Waiters. That would be way overpaying but if the end result nets you Lebron they could probably talk themselves into that because I doubt any of those three would be let go unless an offer like I just mentioned appears because all three teams wants to win now and as good as those pieces potentially could be it makes each team worse for at least a year.
Edit- I should say i'm not advcoating that they should do that, I think they should just draft Noel and look to trade 19/Var for a piece that can stay healthy.

 

[STOMP]

Since you said to, I did. From the beginning of Aldridge's 3rd year, they've played 12 times, Portland winning 9 of those games. Aldridge has averaged 24, 7, 2.3 on 58.5% shooting, while Duncan has put up 15, 8.5, 2.25 on 48.6% shooting. I'm surprised at the disparity.

thanks for doing that research for me. I was trying to get out my door and went on memory. I also recall Mike and Mike saying part of the reason that LA fares so well vs the Spurs is that they're one of the few teams that doesn't double him

Except that his premise was about 7-footers (of which Aldridge is one, whether he wants to admit it or not), not "power forwards".

Aldridge was measured 6'10 barefoot at his predraft

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[blue9]

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[TowelBoy]

You could almost talk me into #1/Waiters/Thompson as a win-win deal. Aldridge and Varejao would be a great inside combo for Irving, and that team would grow into a veteran contending team instantly.

We would go into rebuilding with a backcourt whose upside is rivaled only by Curry/Thompson. We would badly need two more big men, of course. I wonder if Josh Smith could be one.

 

[BBert]

I have strong doubts that the #1 pick, or Waiters, or Thompson, individually, will ever equal LaMarcus. I am a strong believer in BPA = In the NBA, whoever gets the best player in the deal, wins. That would be LaMarcus, IMO.

Granted there are other factors to consider. Apparently, we'd also end up with surplus cap space, and very likely be a 2014 lottery team. 'If' we saved our cap space for 2014, and got a good 2014 lottery pick, that might put the deal over the top for me, because "imaginarily" speaking, either could equal LaMarcus. If they can also get us another 2014 first rounder, it would be a strategic move I might not be able to pass up.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

You could almost talk me into #1/Waiters/Thompson as a win-win deal. Aldridge and Varejao would be a great inside combo for Irving, and that team would grow into a veteran contending team instantly.

We would go into rebuilding with a backcourt whose upside is rivaled only by Curry/Thompson. We would badly need two more big men, of course. I wonder if Josh Smith could be one.

I'd consider this. That's a lot for Cleveland to give up, though. I'd then do what I could to package the #1 with something for DMC. That's a young team, though, and perhaps you need to make sure you bring in another couple of vets to look over all the young pups (and keep DMC and Waiters focused).

I personally believe LMA is vastly underrated, especially here in Portland, and would HATE to see him go. That being said, if we don't think we can get enough talent around LMA now, there's no point in hanging on to him.

 

[RR7]

I just have little interest in Thompson or Waiters, personally. I think both are decent players, will likely get better, etc. But I don't see either as being a solid starter on a good team. Waiters seems fit as a 6th man, backup 1/2. I hate the idea of starting him at SG. Thompson is similar to Hickson a bit at PF/C. He can play both for you. So best suited as a first big off the bench type. As a starter, generally with bigs, you have one post option, and one good defender, generically. Thompsn doesn't look like a great post option, getting most his points in a similar fashion to JJ. And doesn't project to be an above average defensive starter at the 4 or 5. So he's best suited, like Waiters, in between positions on the bench. Which is fine. Just not 2 guys I'd select in the top 5, and not 2 I'd choose to have as centerpieces to a deal for LMA. I'd want, along with a pick, at least one player that projects to be more than an above average starter, with a true position.

 

[BBert]

I just have little interest in Thompson or Waiters, personally....

I agree. Waiters especially doesn't do anything for me.

 

[TowelBoy]

I will say that if we were picking #1 I would not take Noel.

Anyone remember what kind of protection our 2014 pick has?

 

[RR7]

I agree. Waiters especially doesn't do anything for me.

I mean, I get it from Cleveland's perspective. They look at it as we're including #1 AND a recent top 5 pick. Sorry, should have picked better for me to be super interested.

 

[Rhal]

I will say that if we were picking #1 I would not take Noel.

Anyone remember what kind of protection our 2014 pick has?

Top 11 then top 10 then unprotected i believe

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[BrianFromWA]

Top 12 in 2014 and 2015, unprotected in 2016.

http://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/detailed

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think I've said before, I would do this deal, but I'd insist on 1, 19 Thompson and Zeller. Then I'd draft Oladipo at 1 and hope to grab the other Zeller at 10, then use 19 to move up for Schroeder. Young roster, but high potential.

Lillard/Schroeder
Matthews/Oladipo/Barton
Batum/Claver
Thompson/C. Zeller/Freeland
T. Zeller/Leonard

 

[jlprk]

I just want my 7-0 $15M star to either own the paint, or try to. I don't want a Channing Frye-like specialist shooter.

In Aldridge interviews, he answers 99% about his shooting and 0% about his defense. That shows his priorities.

So I wouldn't mind trading him for a much younger player with equal talent (like the #1 pick of the draft, plus Waiters) and training the young guy the right way to play.

Karl Malone was a below average defender, yet considered one of the best power forwards in the game. Guess your entire premises got blown out of the water.

How does Malone's defense, either awful or great, damage my premise, that Aldridge needs to play better defense?

Are you confused again from Mother's Little Helper?

 

[magnifier661]

How does Malone's defense, either awful or great, damage my premise, that Aldridge needs to play better defense?

Are you confused again from Mother's Little Helper?

What I'm saying is that you give much praise to hickson; whom was incredibly worse at defense than Aldridge. You speak like Aldridge is some lame defensive player; yet he's one of our best post defenders.

You need to put down the crack pipe!

 

[RR7]

What I'm saying is that you give much praise to hickson; whom was incredibly worse at defense than Aldridge. You speak like Aldridge is some lame defensive player; yet he's one of our best post defenders.

You need to put down the crack pipe!

trolling, trolling, trolling.

 

[magnifier661]

trolling, trolling, trolling.

I know but his trolling has gotten worse. He used to have a little point. Now he's talking out of his asshole

 

[RR7]

I know but his trolling has gotten worse. He used to have a little point. Now he's talking out of his asshole

And you're providing his asshole an ear.

 

[PapaG]

What I'm saying is that you give much praise to hickson; whom was incredibly worse at defense than Aldridge. You speak like Aldridge is some lame defensive player; yet he's one of our best post defenders.

You need to put down the crack pipe!

Why would you engage jlprk in any serious conversation about anything here, let alone basketball?