Blazers Should Come Out Cap Winners

[magnifier661]

Just so the $6 ticket analogy thing is clear, non repeater tax is $1.50 for every dollar over. To use bird rights to go $15M over means you're paying $42.5M for the one player. You get reduced MLE, too. And if you repeat, the penalties are even harsher. If you're $4M+ over the LT, you cannot receive players in a S&T - this is probably far worse a penalty than the cash tax.

I thought the reduced MLE is for teams way over the tax threshold? If you are only 4 mil over?

 

[magnifier661]

I don't blame the players. If they played like all stars or near all stars for rookie wage, they make it up with bigger contracts when eligible.

I think the owners are greedy, but so are the players.

But there are always exceptions to the rule. LBJ, wade and Bosh took pay cuts to win a ring. All those players could have gotten max, but they decided not to

 

[Denny Crane]

I thought the reduced MLE is for teams way over the tax threshold? If you are only 4 mil over?

Taxpayers get the mini MLE.

 

[Denny Crane]

But there are always exceptions to the rule. LBJ, wade and Bosh took pay cuts to win a ring. All those players could have gotten max, but they decided not to

They already were MAX players for 5 seasons prior.

 

[magnifier661]

Taxpayers get the mini MLE.

This is what I read, but not sure if I'm reading it correctly...

"NON-TAXPAYER MID-LEVEL EXCEPTION -- This exception is available only when a team is below the "apron" (i.e., not paying luxury tax, or less than $4 million above the tax line). This determination is made after the exception is used, so a team below the apron cannot use this exception if doing so takes it above the apron. It cannot be used by a team that has already used the Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception or the Room Mid-Level exception. It allows a team to sign any free agent to a contract with a starting salary up to the following amounts3:"

 

[magnifier661]

They already were MAX players for 5 seasons prior.

I get that, but it's not like they couldn't be max players after. So you think they wouldn't have taken a pay cut to win a ring years before if given the opportunity?

 

[Denny Crane]

That's the MLE. If the team is salary+MLE under the apron, they can use it. Obviously if they're paying LT, they don't get it because $5M MLE is greater than the $4M apron.

 

[Denny Crane]

I get that, but it's not like they couldn't be max players after. So you think they wouldn't have taken a pay cut to win a ring years before if given the opportunity?

I think LeBron took a tad over $1M pay cut for a season. In year two, his contract was bigger than his last year in Cleveland.

 

[magnifier661]

I think LeBron took a tad over $1M pay cut for a season. In year two, his contract was bigger than his last year in Cleveland.

Well I will admit that I'm not too savy with this cap shit. I hope all our players stay Blazers

 

[Denny Crane]

I think you only have to worry about LMA and Wes immediately. Wes is likely to get a MAX offer from some team (there are lots who will have the cap space). Lillard's contract is up a year later and I don't know if he'd accept a MAX extension at this point (I wouldn't).

I wouldn't touch a huge contract for RoLo with a 10 foot pole. Neil was able to get him in the first place, and I am quite convinced he's a shrewd talent evaluator and could make a deal for a replacement you'd all be quite happy with.

 

[riverman]

I think the Lebron wade bosh cuts were pretty small compared to Dirk's cut to sign Parsons and Duncans cut to sign Ginoble back. Dirk and Duncan are the most recent examples of guys taking less to make the team better

 

[Denny Crane]

I think the Lebron wade bosh cuts were pretty small compared to Dirk's cut to sign Parsons and Duncans cut to sign Ginoble back. Dirk and Duncan are the most recent examples of guys taking less to make the team better

Both guys in their late 30s.

Dirk already made $204M for his career. He also didn't take a pay cut, he's just getting paid over 4 years instead of 2.

Duncan already made $225M for his career.

Compared to Wes who's made $26M. Or LMA at $70M. Or Lillard at $6M.

 

[Strenuus]

Both guys in their late 30s.

Dirk already made $204M for his career. He also didn't take a pay cut, he's just getting paid over 4 years instead of 2.

Duncan already made $225M for his career.

Compared to Wes who's made $26M. Or LMA at $70M. Or Lillard at $6M.

Are you adding in Lillards Adidas money, though?

I see what you're saying, though.

 

[Denny Crane]

I shouldn't say the players are solely greedy about the money. Jordan wanted to make $30M because it was a way of keeping score and he was so damned competitive he wanted to make more than the next best player and by a lot.

 

[stampedehero]

Max'em out now, and it will be a bargain in two years. It would be a shame to lose Rolo or Wes because another team offered them a measly 2-3 million more, when the salary cap will be increased by 30 million in 2 years anyway. Sure LA and Dame's extensions will eat into that, but not so much that you can't keep our starters together.

>Star players can score only a percentage of points. The role players get the dirty work done.

 

[ripcityboy]

It would be great to keep our core together, but who says Oshay might not go another way? He obviously has a plan.
Although he wants to build the team from the inside.

 

[BBert]

After all the 'no respect' mantra from Lillard I see a zero percent chance he takes a dollar less than whatever his max is when the time comes. It's a pride thing, like the all star game, and the Blazers would be stupid to ask.

Likewise LaMarcus will be the most desired player in the league. Just give him whatever he wants.

Wes and Rolo? I just don't see how we can fail to match.

Pay now. If it becomes a problem, trade later.

 

[Draco]

So do you think the spurs should've blown up their roster when they lost in the 1st round as the #1 seed a few years ago?

I want the Blazers to make good decisions this offseason. The results of this years playoffs are nearly irrelevant as all 8 teams are great.