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That's the first Canzano I've read in at least a year. God, what a dimwit. All he does is list a player's legal infractions, then spiel over and over about "good people" and "bad people." His mind operates at the level of a 12-year-old. He editorializes in every article about what his religion calls evil, but never analyzes the simple changes in the economic system which would change it all. His only remedies to the underlying causes he ignores are self-repression and if that fails, a lifetime of prison. What a cruel asshole.
 
That's the first Canzano I've read in at least a year. God, what a dimwit. All he does is list a player's legal infractions, then spiel over and over about "good people" and "bad people." His mind operates at the level of a 12-year-old. He editorializes in every article about what his religion calls evil, but never analyzes the simple changes in the economic system which would change it all. His only remedies to the underlying causes he ignores are self-repression and if that fails, a lifetime of prison. What a cruel asshole.

God you're evil.
 
Your girlfriend is weird.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab...cruit-to-undrafted-in-one-year-061802287.html

In the first 11 NBA drafts since Rivals.com began ranking high school basketball prospects, ex-Tennessee wing Scotty Hopson had been the only top-five recruit to go unselected. Hopson finally has company on that not-so-illustrious list.

Sixty prospects heard their names called during Thursday night's NBA draft, however, former Kansas big man Cliff Alexander wasn't one of them. The consensus top-five recruit ranked ahead of Karl-Anthony Towns and D'Angelo Russell only a year ago will now have to try to latch on with an NBA franchise as an undrafted free agent and win a roster spot in training camp.

So in 11 years on Rivals.com, Alexander is only the second player to make top-5 out of all high school seniors, and then after college, to go undrafted. Another high school rating service, RSCIHoops.com, also rated him better than Towns and Russell, just like Rivals.com did.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/recruit_rankings_2014.html
 
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Many articles say vaguely, "The NCAA announced mid-season that it was investigating whether Alexander's mother had accepted impermissible benefits from a third party." To find the meaning of "impermissible benefits from a third party," read this.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/public...mother-to-financial-firm-214254286-ncaab.html

I didn't know that some loan companies specialize in loans to college players (or their parents or agents), who have just declared for the draft. (The NCAA says they're supposed to wait till then, anyway. This company didn't wait, which is why Alexander had to go pro after his freshman year.)
 
Some say that criticizing his college team before the draft didn't help his draft position...like the job interview maxim, Don't complain about your former job.

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...2/cliff-alexander-kansas-basketball/28361915/

He seems angry at the college over some bigger issue than just playing time. Reading between the lines, he may be saying that the college arranged his loan. Or the college might have recommended his agent, who then incompetently contacted the loan company against NCAA rules.
 
If you click on his agent's name, you find that he is the agent's only "primary" client. The agent, Reggie Brown, has 10 "secondary" clients (meaning, the agent backs up other agents in his firm when they're busy?).

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cliff-Alexander-7138/

I'm guessing that the agency assigned Alexander a rookie agent who arranged the bad loan, and it cost him millions of dollars in a 1st-round pick contract (had the NCAA allowed him to play 2-3 years at Kansas like fellow slow learner Thomas Robinson did). The agent still has the teenager fooled in this happy picture.

 
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He was injury-prone. In his partial freshman year (ended early by the NCAA investigating his mother's loan), Alexander had a bruised sternum and a back injury. Then his predraft workouts were cut short when he injured his right knee, working out for the Lakers. So that's 3 injuries in less than a year. But he did successfully play 11 games in Summer League (Brooklyn played in both Orlando and Las Vegas.) He measured at 6 foot 7, not 6-8 as listed, which is important since he doesn't have Small Forward skills.

http://empirewritesback.com/2015/06/27/brooklyn-nets-news-two-undrafted-free-agents-signed/
 
I'm done researching this guy. This is like the Connaughton thread, in which I spent all night researching him and making meaty posts. Here are his college stats.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/cliff-alexander-1.html

This is kind of shocking. Look at Givony's mock draft positions for a player who didn't go in the top 60.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Cliff-Alexander-7138/mock-draft-history/

In summary, I have opined before that Kansas coach Bill Self is a great recruiter, but a vastly overrated fundamentals teacher. Cliff Alexander is Thomas Robinson minus an inch or two, and minus 2 college years.
 
low risk - high reward (potentially)

im good with it, lets get it BLAZERS!!!!!
 
After reading the reports on this kid, he seems like a guy that needs the right environment to get to the next level. He has the talent to be a very capable role player. He's battling what's behind his ears.
 
Bartelstein thinks Alexander has a good chance of sticking with the Nets rather than spending the season in the NBA's Developmental League or overseas.

"People misunderstand the NBA draft," Bartelstein said. "Of the 60 players, only 42 or 43 truly get drafted. The others are stashed in Europe. I could have gotten Cliff drafted if he agreed to go to Europe. The goal is to make an NBA team. I think that's what's going to happen."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/ct-nba-cliff-alexander-spt-0701-20150630-story.html
 
Gary Trent's grandfather drank himself to death. His grandmother was convicted of killing a son. There were two other uncles who went to prison for robbery and murder. Trent's father, Dexter, received a life sentence at age 31 for dealing crack cocaine.
Said Gary: "My life was drugs, murder, bank robbery, kidnapping, the whole nine. It was generational dysfunction.

"That's when you get sucked into the pitfalls and the negativity of what came before you."

When he went to visit his father in prison, Dexter, would plead: "Don't be like me. Be better than me."

It's a message lost on too many young kids who grow up in neighborhoods just like "The Jungle" Trent knew as home in Columbus, Ohio. And save for the fact that Gary was 6-foot-8 and could put a basketball through a hoop like no other high school player in the country, he might have continued his childhood hobby as a $300-a-day crack dealer.

"The opportunity to play basketball surrounded me with good people," Trent said.

Now, Trent is surrounded by the children of Dayton's Bluff Elementary (East St. Paul, Min.) He's worked there as an assistant principal, with an official title of "Cultural Intervention Specialist" since last year. He'll sit in classrooms. He'll do lunch duty and after-school duty. Most of all, he'll talk with struggling students, many of which come from similar family backgrounds, and tell them their lives can be better than the men and women who came before them.

"I'm dealing with kiddie issues," Trent said. "But this is the point where you have a chance to turn them around. Once they hit eighth grade it's harder to turn them around. At this age, they're much easier to reach, easier to pull them back in, you know?"

Single-parent homes. Parents on drugs. Or both parents on drugs. Or domestic violence in the household.

"You're not going to be able to save them all. Some kids have no belief in their future, no belief in their life. Some have never met their father, or mom is in prison. Everyone will not be saved, but you don't give up on kids."

It's a message Trent has lived. As a high school and college player, his coaches and mentors helped him. They got him out of bed in the morning – 6 a.m. – to lift weights and work out. Out of a fear that the neighborhood would suck Trent back in, more than one of his coaches required daily study hall, then the gym, for workouts. In college, at Ohio University, a teammate was assigned to monitor him at night.

"It's a powerful thing," Trent said, "when you realize you have the ability to try and break generations of dysfunction."

Trent tried. But he wasn't always successful.

He played 506 NBA games, including three seasons (95-98) in Portland. But Trent said he sometimes played angry, on and off court. There was a 1997 domestic violence charge for assaulting a girlfriend. That same year, Trent was involved in a fight in a Portland night club in which he hit a man over the head with a pool cue. There was a suspension and $10,000 fine while with the Mavericks in January 2000 after he stormed into the Golden State locker room and challenged Warriors guard Vonteego Cummings. His NBA career ended in 2004.

"I was like, 'Now what?'" Trent said.

An elementary school in Minnesota hired this man. Yep. It did. To counsel impressionable children on how to seize opportunity. To preach, "It can be done," if you seek the right mentors. To gather them around him, and explain the task of rebuilding his own broken relationship with a father who had that life sentence reduced to 60 years, then 12, and finally, a release in May 1994 after serving nearly seven years.

"I raised myself," Trent said. "But these guys don't have to."

Sometimes the children of Dayton's Bluff Elementary find themselves on a computer where they Google "Gary Trent." They read about their assistant principal still holding the national high school field-goal percentage record he set his senior season by shooting 81 percent from the floor. They read about his NBA career, too, but also some they read about suspensions, fights and arrests.

They come to "Mr. Trent" with questions.

"I tell them the truth," Trent said. "I tell them, 'if it happened to me now, here's how I would handle it.' There's a response for a person who is grown and mature. I tell them, 'Where y'all live at, sometimes trouble isn't going to be avoidable.' But a lot of these situations can be avoided."

Trent tells them the highlight of his NBA career, "was the opportunity to have that career."

Without it, he'd probably be in prison preaching the 'be better than me' message. Or worse, dead.

Trent said having the chance to be drafted by Portland in 1995 as a 20-year old with veteran teammates such as Buck Williams, Cliff Robinson, Chris Dudley and Arvydas Sabonis was valuable. He made a point, he said, to go to dinner with different teammates on different nights during the season, because their life experiences were so varied and influential.

"I had a 35-year old Buck Williams as my teammate," Trent said, "who not only had 15 more years of basketball experience than me, but 15 more years of life experience. Dudley, Sabonis, those guys, they were so wise."

When he campaigned for Oregon governor in 2010, Dudley frequently told an inspiring story about an unnamed teammate who had overcome his childhood circumstances and seized an opportunity to become an American success story. The candidate said, "Don't tell me everybody had the same upbringing..."

Dudley never named that teammate. That is, until Friday, when I asked Dudley about those dinners years ago with the rookie, Trent.

Said Dudley: "He came in pretty raw. He had a tough go of it. He looked to (older teammates) for guidance because he didn't have that growing up. I talked about Gary a lot during the campaign because it was such an important story."

Trent is 37 now.

His story has never felt more important, or powerful.

He's broken the cycle of dysfunction. He's found meaningful life after basketball. He has three sons of his own now. His oldest, 13, plays basketball on a team that Trent coaches.

There are other children, too, that the Trent family takes in. Most of them coming from broken homes, with terrible stories about generational dysfunction. And, then, there's that job at the elementary school with all those children to save.

His job now doesn't pay as well as his NBA career. But Trent believes the work he's doing is more important.

He keeps saying: "I can not give up on these kids."

He still tries, too, to reach through to some of his old teammates.

Trent said he recently talked with former Blazers teammate Isaiah Rider in a series of deep telephone conversations. Post-NBA career Rider's been sucked into a sad pattern of criminal activity, ranging from possession of narcotics to driving with a suspended license to evading police to a felony violation of his probation.

Without basketball, he's been lost.

"We talked three days in a row, four hours a day," Trent said. "Mostly we talked about how there's a lot some of these young NBA players aren't prepared for. What are you going to do when there's no more air in your ball?"

--John Canzano;

http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/or...f/2012/02/canzano_former_trail_blazer_ga.html
I had to "like" this post even if the story was written by Canzano. But even a blind squirrel (Canzano) finds an acorn every now and again.....
 
Bartelstein thinks Alexander has a good chance of sticking with the Nets rather than spending the season in the NBA's Developmental League or overseas.

"People misunderstand the NBA draft," Bartelstein said. "Of the 60 players, only 42 or 43 truly get drafted. The others are stashed in Europe. I could have gotten Cliff drafted if he agreed to go to Europe. The goal is to make an NBA team. I think that's what's going to happen."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/ct-nba-cliff-alexander-spt-0701-20150630-story.html

:biglaugh: The top just blew off my bull dada meter.
 
Under-sized, injury prone, and not too bright.

Yep - this kid sounds like a winner!
 
A poor man's Thomas Robinson?

That was my initial thought. After watching the interview and him mentioning Amare Stoudamire as a goal, that may actually be a better comparison. Not nearly as good of course, but I was at Amare's very first summer league games back in 2002 and I do see some similarities. (mentally and physically)

Amare measured in at an inch taller, but Alexander has both a longer standing reach and wing span. If he keeps working on his 15 foot jumper like they showed in one of the videos, he could be a surprise. He most definitely needs a solid mentor if he stays with the Blazers, but the city of Portland may be a good idea for him, rather than New York or Chicago. It's going to be a tough adjustment for him without some support.

Like you all have said, low risk-high reward. I like the gamble.
 
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Cliff Alexander Physical Measurements:
- Height without shoes: 6'7.25" (20th tallest player measured at the 2015 NBA Draft Combine.)
- Weight: 239 lbs (14th heaviest)
- Wingspan: 7'3.5". (5th largest)
- Standing Reach: 9'1.5". (9th highest)
- Hand length: 9.5". (2nd largest)
- Hand width: 10.25". (4th largest)
- Body Fat: 5.8% (19th lowest)
 
He was injury-prone. In his partial freshman year (ended early by the NCAA investigating his mother's loan), Alexander had a bruised sternum and a back injury. Then his predraft workouts were cut short when he injured his right knee, working out for the Lakers. So that's 3 injuries in less than a year. But he did successfully play 11 games in Summer League (Brooklyn played in both Orlando and Las Vegas.) He measured at 6 foot 7, not 6-8 as listed, which is important since he doesn't have Small Forward skills.

http://empirewritesback.com/2015/06/27/brooklyn-nets-news-two-undrafted-free-agents-signed/

Relax, Francis.

Cliff is a project that will spend most of his time in Ft. Wayne.

I'm not worried about his height - his 9'1.5" standing reach is center worthy. Drummond, for example, has the same reach.

Neil is just taking a stab in the dark on a minimum deal. Low risk, high reward. I like it.
 
Relax, Francis.

Cliff is a project that will spend most of his time in Ft. Wayne.

I'm not worried about his height - his 9'1.5" standing reach is center worthy. Drummond, for example, has the same reach.

Neil is just taking a stab in the dark on a minimum deal. Low risk, high reward. I like it.

He has no neck. His head is only 3.5 inches above his shoulders. I guess it only matters where his hands are at when he plays but hopefully he can see above the other players on the court.
 
Slap in the face? Surprising they haven't signed Malcolm Thomas after his stellar play in sl.
 
Not surprising to me at all. Neil is rolling the dice on Alexander and Montero. Both have very high reward potential, but need some development. Most scouting services had Alexander right in there in some cases higher than Okafor, Towns and Russell. Injuries kept him from playing much of his freshman season, then his mom accepted a loan via and event that essentially forced him into leaving early. Then he also had a sore knee that hampered him in workouts.
 
Slap in the face? Surprising they haven't signed Malcolm Thomas after his stellar play in sl.

Too old, played great in summer league before but failed in the NBA. There's hundreds of guys like this.
 
Not surprising to me at all. Neil is rolling the dice on Alexander and Montero. Both have very high reward potential, but need some development. Most scouting services had Alexander right in there in some cases higher than Okafor, Towns and Russell. Injuries kept him from playing much of his freshman season, then his mom accepted a loan via and event that essentially forced him into leaving early. Then he also had a sore knee that hampered him in workouts.

Yeah, it seems like he specifically brought in some high potential pfs like Alexander and Vonleh, as well as already having Leonard. Not a bad strategy, surely at least one of them will end up becoming a decent starting pf?
 

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