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Boise Blazer said:
Not that I agree or disagree but how many years is the minimum to say a player has had an impact on a team worthy of a number retired?
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There is no minimum number of years, it's about level of impact. Brandon was the single greatest driving force behind the team's rise from the ashes of the Jail Blazers. He deserves more of the credit than anyone else for filling the Rose Garden back up with fans. If he had any cartilage in his knees at all, he could have been one of the best to ever play the game. The ONLY reason #7 should not be in the rafters is the fact that he tried to play for another team after retiring from here.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
With this signing, I think it's pretty apparent they don't plan on giving McCollum the same kind of minutes they gave Lillard last season. I wonder if this might suggest how they really feel about McCollum. I can't imagine him getting anymore than 15-20 minutes a game with Wes playing the same position as him.

If you believe in him and think he is the real deal, you probably ought to give him more time than that.
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I don't think anybody thinks CJ is going to be Lillard as a rookie. It was always the plan to have him coming off of the bench. In terms of a back-up PG for a team that wants to make the playoffs, having any rookie be that guy is a crapshoot. Mo Williams is a solid NBA PG, and getting him probably reflects more on Watson than it does McCollum.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I truly don't get the vitriol I'm getting here. It's like I'm being Un-American or something. Look, if you're happy, be happy! Good for you! Enjoy! But I believe I have legitimate reasons for tempering my enthusiasm. I believe that rosters can get too crowded at certain positions and it can be a problem. I believe that getting "former All-Star" Dale Davis for largely unused Jermaine O'Neal was a mistake. I believe signing "former all-star" Kenny Anderson was a mistake. I believe signing Jamal Crawford was a mistake, and I said so at the time. I actually thought getting Felton was good - boy, was I wrong about that one. Amazingly enough, just getting a lot of "former all-stars" and jamming them together doesn't always work. Maybe the Thunder are on to something by NOT doing that. Maybe there's a reason Mo Williams was so fucking cheap. WHY didn't any other team pay him more? Oh that's right - it's because they knew that his heart was set on playing for Portland.
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Former All-Star Dale Davis? He was an All-Star the year that we traded for him. He made the All-Star team that season and then we traded for him during the offseason, so technically he was "current All-Star" Dale Davis.
 
OneLifeToLive said:
With this signing, I think it's pretty apparent they don't plan on giving McCollum the same kind of minutes they gave Lillard last season. I wonder if this might suggest how they really feel about McCollum. I can't imagine him getting anymore than 15-20 minutes a game with Wes playing the same position as him.

If you believe in him and think he is the real deal, you probably ought to give him more time than that.
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Or you have a proven sixth man of the year contenderesque combo guard willing to play for you for cheap. Do you say no? Olshey seems to believe in McCollum a lot as evidenced by the draft war room video
 
PapaG said:
So Bill Walton, Lionel Hollins, and Maurice Lucas should also not have their numbers retired?
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They didn't retire because of injury, then try to come back a year later, costing the Blazers millions in insurance money...
 
Number 30 is retired twice, lets hope Mo does great things here in Portland so we can retire number 7 twice.
 
Boise Blazer said:
Ok now if he never made it out of the first round?
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He almost single-handedly dragged his team INTO the first round two years before anyone had any right to expect. IMNSHO, He (and Nate) deserve CREDIT for the first two one-and-dones, not blame.
 
BlazerWookee said:
They didn't retire because of injury, then try to come back a year later, costing the Blazers millions in insurance money...
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It was "only" $17m, since the Blazers weren't able to fully insure the contract. Think of how bad things would be without the amnesty clause? Seems like an odd thing to hold over Roy, since he really did want to still play.
 
I'm surprised that nobody's pointed out the bigger problem. We retired the nickname "Mo" with Maurice Lucas. Williams is going to need a new handle.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Former All-Star Dale Davis? He was an All-Star the year that we traded for him. He made the All-Star team that season and then we traded for him during the offseason, so technically he was "current All-Star" Dale Davis.
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Plus, DD was the only player on the planet who could guard Shaq with any effectiveness at all. Jermaine wasn't ready yet, and Shaq was the largest obstacle (literally and figuratively) between us and the Promised Land. Getting DD for Jermaine made perfect sense at the time, as, by the way, did trading Andre Miller for the 5andbagger.
 
leapinleaner said:
works fer me sly...saw ya on the chat thought i should say hey...forgot my password over there(damn 80s)....we got a lil mo better!
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Hey Leap! When will you be in Salem for that wedding?
 
I love the signing, but do the math.

The guy is not going to play just 8 minutes a game backing up Lillard.

Or he's going to be REALLY unhappy and you guys will be calling him crawful by the end of the season.

The true superstars do play 40+ type minutes. Is Lillard going to be one or not? I think you have to play him and find out.

So that means Mo is going to play a lot of minutes at SG and CJ may get near zero.

Or maybe you play 3 guards with LMA at center for the 24 minutes that Lopez rests. That works :)
 
Denny Crane said:
I love the signing, but do the math.

The guy is not going to play just 8 minutes a game backing up Lillard.

Or he's going to be REALLY unhappy and you guys will be calling him crawful by the end of the season.

The true superstars do play 40+ type minutes. Is Lillard going to be one or not? I think you have to play him and find out.

So that means Mo is going to play a lot of minutes at SG and CJ may get near zero.

Or maybe you play 3 guards with LMA at center for the 24 minutes that Lopez rests. That works :)
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This is what I was basically saying above. But as some of other posters pointed out. There is a shade of grey in there. Doesn't need to be quite as black and white as you and I painted it.
 
Denny Crane said:
I love the signing, but do the math.

The guy is not going to play just 8 minutes a game backing up Lillard.

Or he's going to be REALLY unhappy and you guys will be calling him crawful by the end of the season.

The true superstars do play 40+ type minutes. Is Lillard going to be one or not? I think you have to play him and find out.

So that means Mo is going to play a lot of minutes at SG and CJ may get near zero.

Or maybe you play 3 guards with LMA at center for the 24 minutes that Lopez rests. That works :)
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Getting better players always is a problem in terms of minutes for teams. I'd rather worry about how many minutes Mo Williams is going to play versus praying the Ronnie Price doesn't have to play a single minute.
 
Denny Crane said:
I love the signing, but do the math.

The guy is not going to play just 8 minutes a game backing up Lillard.

Or he's going to be REALLY unhappy and you guys will be calling him crawful by the end of the season.

The true superstars do play 40+ type minutes. Is Lillard going to be one or not? I think you have to play him and find out.

So that means Mo is going to play a lot of minutes at SG and CJ may get near zero.

Or maybe you play 3 guards with LMA at center for the 24 minutes that Lopez rests. That works :)
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Mo is the only reliable guard off the bench. He'll get plenty of minutes.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Former All-Star Dale Davis? He was an All-Star the year that we traded for him. He made the All-Star team that season and then we traded for him during the offseason, so technically he was "current All-Star" Dale Davis.
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Another former All-Star we got was Shareef Abdur-Rahim, midseason 2 years after he was in the game.

...Most teams wait to hang up a player's number for quite a few years after retirement. The decision on Roy should be made in 10 years. Until then, Blazers should use his number.

Also, don't forget that Roy keeping his injury secret and robbing Paul Allen of $80 million cost a GM his job.
 
jlprk said:
Another former All-Star we got was Shareef Abdur-Rahim, midseason 2 years after he was in the game.
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Where's the love for Former All-Star Jamaal Magloire. I can't believe how quickly they forget. During his one season in Portland he became the poster child for why being a Former All-Star don't mean shit.

BNM
 
Denny Crane said:
I love the signing, but do the math.

The guy is not going to play just 8 minutes a game backing up Lillard.

Or he's going to be REALLY unhappy and you guys will be calling him crawful by the end of the season.

The true superstars do play 40+ type minutes. Is Lillard going to be one or not? I think you have to play him and find out.

So that means Mo is going to play a lot of minutes at SG and CJ may get near zero.

Or maybe you play 3 guards with LMA at center for the 24 minutes that Lopez rests. That works :)
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You will see a lot of Mo and Dame playing together, with Dame plying off the ball. It worked really well last year with Eric Maynor. It will work even better with Mo Williams.

You will actually see plenty of the 3 guard lineup with Wes, Dame and Mo. Wes is very strong and capable of guarding most SFs. Not for long stretches, but most teams go with a small lineup for a few minutes each half, and if it creates a favorable mismatch on any given night, they tend to ride it out as long as it's effective.

If C.J. is good enough to EARN minutes, he'll get them. If not, they will go to someone more deserving. Not sure how that's a bad thing.

Plus, there are always injuries, suspensions, back-to-backs, etc. When one player misses a game, that's 48 minutes for everyone else to divide up.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Where's the love for Former All-Star Jamaal Magloire. I can't believe how quickly they forget. During his one season in Portland he became the poster child for why being a Former All-Star don't mean shit.
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I was kicking myself for not bringing him up earlier...

I tell you what: I wish we'd've had Mo when Roy was healthy.
 
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BBert said:
I for one support your right to be wrong. ;)
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Thanks! I'd be happy to be wrong. I certainly was about 'Sheed, for example - I've seldom hated a trade so much as the Strickland-Wallace trade, but 'Sheed became one of my faves (except for brainfarts like the Towel Incident). And I'm grudgingly coming around on Lillard...

Not saying that you are. Or aren't.
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I try to throw enough shit out that some of it sticks.
 
Loco-MO-tion. Wait! We already have Train! :MARIS61:
 
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