Blazers @ Sixers Game Thread

[MickZagger]

Where is he ranked among starters? I mean, Amir Johnson plays 20mpg, but he is much higher than Aldridge in PER.

19th among starters I believe, just a notch ahead of Taj Gibson. The craziest thing about Aldridge, is he is tied with Gasol for leading the league in minutes for PF.

 

[RoyToy]

Last year I wouldn't say he was a much better player on offense. They were about even. Their PER was pretty similar.

Wesley shot 48% from 2 38% from 3, he's great in the fastbreak and can get to the basket.

Rudy shot 38% 2 37% from 3 and can't do any of that other stuff.

Rudy is not good, yet he had a higher PER.

 

[MickZagger]

He's also a much better basketball player on offense as well, yet Rudy had a higher PER.

Explain this to me.

This year, correct. Last year, I'd hardly say he was 'much' better on offense. Matthews just kind of played within the system in Utah, never really having plays called for him. Rudy was supposed to be our bench shooting specialist last year.

 

[MARIS61]

Trade players for low 1st round draft picks,

Been there, done that.

If we're going to start our 3rd "rebuild through youth" campaign in a row we need to first hire a coach who is not opposed to actually putting young players on the court.

 

[RoyToy]

This year, correct. Last year, I'd hardly say he was 'much' better on offense. Matthews just kind of played within the system in Utah, never really having plays called for him. Rudy was supposed to be our bench shooting specialist last year.

Their shooting percentages say otherwise.

 

[MickZagger]

Wesley shot 48% from 2 38% from 3, he's great in the fastbreak and can get to the basket.

Rudy shot 38% 2 37% from 3 and can't do any of that other stuff.

Rudy is not good, yet he had a higher PER.

What are you trying to debate here? That Rudy had a slightly better PER in his 2nd year than Matthews did in his 1st year?

Not sure why the argument is even being made. I'd rather have Matthews, over Rudy. I'd say last year, they contributed about the same amount to their respective teams. Would you rather have Rudy, or something? To me, last year they produced about equal, thus they had a similar PER.

 

[RoyToy]

What are you trying to debate here? That Rudy had a slightly better PER in his 2nd year than Matthews did in his 1st year?

Not sure why the argument is even being made. I'd rather have Matthews, over Rudy. I'd say last year, they contributed about the same amount to their respective teams. Would you rather have Rudy, or something? To me, last year they produced about equal, thus they had a similar PER.

You brought up Aldridge's PER as if to say "aha!" yet PER is in no way the deciding factor in saying who's better than who. It has flaws and Rudy vs Matthews last year is just one example.

 

[MickZagger]

You brought up Aldridge's PER as if to say "aha!" yet PER is in no way the deciding factor in saying who's better than who. It has flaws and Rudy vs Matthews last year is just one example.

I brought up Aldridge's PER as a fact that he's not very good. Your comparison of Rudy and Matthews PER last year is kind of silly. They were about the same in producing for their respective teams and it was evident in their PER's since they were nearly the same. Matthews biggest asset last year was his man defense that he played in the playoffs. He really wasn't a huge threat on offense.

 

[RoyToy]

I brought up Aldridge's PER as a fact that he's not very good. Your comparison of Rudy and Matthews PER last year is kind of silly. They were about the same in producing for their respective teams and it was evident in their PER's since they were nearly the same. Matthews biggest asset last year was his man defense that he played in the playoffs. He really wasn't a huge threat on offense.

Except Matthews shot efficiently while doing it and Rudy didn't. He was better than Rudy last year yet Rudy still had a higher PER and you can't explain it.

 

[BGrantFan]

I brought up Aldridge's PER as a fact that he's not very good. Your comparison of Rudy and Matthews PER last year is kind of silly. They were about the same in producing for their respective teams and it was evident in their PER's since they were nearly the same. Matthews biggest asset last year was his man defense that he played in the playoffs. He really wasn't a huge threat on offense.

A PER of 15 is "average" by definition according to Hollinger. Aldridge is 2 points better than average, at least according to your reasoning.

 

[cdub503]

Fuck blazers are blowing it so fucking hard it'd make a whore on 82nd jealous.

didnt see the second half did we just lay a fucking egg in the 4th or what?

 

[BGrantFan]

I brought up Aldridge's PER as a fact that he's not very good. Your comparison of Rudy and Matthews PER last year is kind of silly. They were about the same in producing for their respective teams and it was evident in their PER's since they were nearly the same. Matthews biggest asset last year was his man defense that he played in the playoffs. He really wasn't a huge threat on offense.

Kobe Bryant abused Wesley. Just killed him in every game. A GameScore of 20 in each game of that series, which is unreal and the only series in his career that Kobe has done this.

 

[MickZagger]

Except Matthews shot efficiently while doing it and Rudy didn't. He was better than Rudy last year yet Rudy still had a higher PER and you can't explain it.

Perhaps do your homework on PER. There is more that goes into it than shooting efficiency.

To generate PER, I created formulas -- outlined in tortuous detail in my book "Pro Basketball Forecast" -- that return a value for each of a player's accomplishments. That includes positive accomplishments such as field goals, free throws, 3-pointers, assists, rebounds, blocks and steals, and negative ones such as missed shots, turnovers and personal fouls.

Sounds about right, there wasn't much a difference between Matthews and Rudy in terms of producing for their teams. Am I supposed to be an outrage that two players had similar below average PER's?

 

[MickZagger]

Kobe Bryant abused Wesley. Just killed him in every game. A GameScore of 20 in each game of that series, which is unreal and the only series in his career that Kobe has done this.

Kobe scored his average, I agree. But, that was what he was hyped for and eventually got his big pay day for. People in general were raving about how he guarded Kobe and Carmello.

 

[MickZagger]

A PER of 15 is "average" by definition according to Hollinger. Aldridge is 2 points better than average, at least according to your reasoning.

But, Aldridge isn't supposed to be just an "average" player. This is a guy who every year is devastated that he doesn't make an All-Star team. Fans around here think he's a stud and anytime a trade scenario comes up about him people scoff at it.

 

[RoyToy]

Perhaps do your homework on PER. There is more that goes into it than shooting efficiency.




Sounds about right, there wasn't much a difference between Matthews and Rudy in terms of producing for their teams. Am I supposed to be an outrage that two players had similar below average PER's?

Yes, because Matthews was clearly better than Rudy last year who was horrible. For Rudy to have a higher PER tells me all I need to know about it. To use it as some deciding factor between two players is just silly.

 

[MickZagger]

Yes, because Matthews was clearly better than Rudy last year who was horrible. For Rudy to have a higher PER tells me all I need to know about it. To use it as some deciding factor between two players is just silly.

Matthews best asset was supposedly his defense. He wasn't some kind of offensive juggernaut like you would like to believe. The fact that he and Rudy had similar PER's sounds about right.

PER is a commonly used measuring stick for a players efficiency for reason. Not because it is some kind of bogus formula.

But, carry on. Continue to think that LMA is great and walks on water.

 

[RoyToy]

Obviously you just don't get it.

And yes, PER is by no means the best measuring stick in deciding who's better than who. Again, Matthews vs Rudy is just one example. And yes, Matthews was better than Rudy last year.

So no, you go ahead and carry on. I'm done here.

 

[MickZagger]

Obviously you just don't get it.

And yes, PER is by no means the best measuring stick in deciding who's better than who. Again, Matthews vs Rudy is just one example. And yes, Matthews was better than Rudy last year.

So no, you go ahead and carry on. I'm done here.

You're right. Aldridge's average PER is just an aberration. PER is bogus.

I love when people bash on PER, because they don't get the result from it they'd like to see.

 

[B-Roy]

Kobe scored his average, I agree. But, that was what he was hyped for and eventually got his big pay day for. People in general were raving about how he guarded Kobe and Carmello.

So, because people raved about his performance, we should ignore his ACTUAL performance?

 

[Haakzilla]

...is there any possible reason why B.Roy is still playing 30+ mins?!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Second half:

LaMarcus: 2 pts
Brandon: 2 pts

/game

 

[craigehlo]

...is there any possible reason why B.Roy is still playing 30+ mins?!

He's often the worst player on the floor and they are still running sets for him like he's the old Brandon. FIRE NATE.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Fuck man. Give it a rest. You have a hard-on for Kevin Love. We get it.

or Horford, Millsap, Josh Smith or basically any PF that doesn't play like a pansy.

Aldridge is ranked at 26th for his position in PER. Fans continue to turn a blind eye though.

So you not only have a hard-on for Love, but also Horford, Millsap and Josh Smith? Nice!

 

[Haakzilla]

He's often the worst player on the floor and they are still running sets for him like he's the old Brandon. FIRE NATE.

...or do you think Roy's ego is taking over?!

 

[LittleAlex]

Third consecutive worst-loss-of-the-season by a Blazer team that looks pretty much defeated.

It's pretty bad for the team right now.
I have no fucking idea what they can do to right the ship.

 

[hasoos]

Bench outscored 41-10.

I'll throw a couple of bone's out there for discussion. Jerryd Bayless may not have been the best backup PG in the world. But last time I looked, he played hard every night, he attacked the rim and got to the line even if he wasn't shooting well, and he played hard on defense. So what if he isn't lighting it up in Toronto now. But it sure as hell is a lot better than what we have now.

Dante is getting dominated at the backup PF position and we need help there now. He is too small, and we need help there now. Can we get that help? I think we could if Cho worked the phones. There seem to be a few PF through the league that are good but aren't good fit's where they are at.

Lastly, has all the bad shit that has happened over the last year, from injuries, to Maurice Lucas, and injuries again, finally just crushed the spirit of this squad? I am just starting to wonder if that after all the team endured over the last 2 seasons, if it finally just hasn't mentally broke them?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Dante is getting dominated at the backup PF position and we need help there now. He is too small, and we need help there now.

So are you saying we need help... there? Now?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Bench outscored 41-10.

I'll throw a couple of bone's out there for discussion. Jerryd Bayless may not have been the best backup PG in the world. But last time I looked, he played hard every night, he attacked the rim and got to the line even if he wasn't shooting well, and he played hard on defense. So what if he isn't lighting it up in Toronto now. But it sure as hell is a lot better than what we have now.

Dante is getting dominated at the backup PF position and we need help there now. He is too small, and we need help there now. Can we get that help? I think we could if Cho worked the phones. There seem to be a few PF through the league that are good but aren't good fit's where they are at.

Lastly, has all the bad shit that has happened over the last year, from injuries, to Maurice Lucas, and injuries again, finally just crushed the spirit of this squad? I am just starting to wonder if that after all the team endured over the last 2 seasons, if it finally just hasn't mentally broke them?

I've wondered this for awhile ... I'm not wondering anymore. (which is why I created the "Boom" thread the other day).

 

[hasoos]

So are you saying we need help... there? Now?

We need help there now! Now now now!!!!!!!!