Exclusive Blazers take Scoot at #3!!! Now what? (2 Viewers)

[Blazers Roy]

I agree with everything you said.
I’m not trying to pour cold water on people’s high expectations, but at the same time it’s like come on, let’s see some flashes of it first or how it does in the NBA for at least one season.

Those concerns I mentioned were more just I want to see how those things pan out, he is young and has lots of time to grow, let’s just give him that time first before we put over the top exceptions on him.

Agreed.

but on the other hand - i remember saying similar things to people who thought Dame is going to be as good as D.Rose or Russ when he was drafted.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don’t know how anyone can’t be excited about this kid.

I can understand the worry about the dynamics around the Dame situation, the need for more talent now if we want to compete, etc. I can appreciate that.

But Scoot is going to be a solid player in this league and has a high ceiling. And if we can’t add talent quickly to be a solid player team, we’ll at least we’ll be fun as hell to watch with Scoot and Shaedon and there’s a lot of potential for the future.

But here’s hoping we can find a couple pieces to at least make us competitive now while developing a bright future.

 

[James lamphear]

Scoot scored 31 points in his second game on the Ignite. When he was still three months shy of turning 18.



He's legit.

Stats are not base of one game it's base on all his games played.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[glazeduck]

As is, Woj isn't wrong. Now that we're past the draft, I think it comes down to basically:
1. Can we bring in a solid piece for Ant?
2. Can we add another solid piece with the MLE?
3. Can we set ourselves up through the above 2, plus next offseason's draft and FA to be legit title contenders the following season?

I think if you can check those boxes, you'd be able to get Dame to stay (purely my opinion...)

 

[PDXFonz]

PG - Scoot (Shared with Dame but more time with the ball in his hands)
SG - Dame
SF - Sharpe
PF - Grant
C - Turner

 

[TBpup]

Denver - the Champs
Phoenix - more talent
Memphis - more talent
Sac - on the rise
Lakers - old talent
OKC - on the way up
G-St - still a handful
Spurs - added Wemby

Dallas - Luka but what else?
Utah - young talent
Min - ugh

Just not sure where Portland is in the bottom half. No matter where it is, it's not likely to be high enough to be a contender.

 

[inconceivable]

I don’t know how anyone can’t be excited about this kid.

I can understand the worry about the dynamics around the Dame situation, the need for more talent now if we want to compete, etc. I can appreciate that.

But Scoot is going to be a solid player in this league and has a high ceiling. And if we can’t add talent quickly to be a solid player team, we’ll at least we’ll be fun as hell to watch with Scoot and Shaedon and there’s a lot of potential for the future.

But here’s hoping we can find a couple pieces to at least make us competitive now while developing a bright future.

I know he's not a PG but Tyreke Evans (for some reason) is who I have as Scoot's floor. Allen iverson ceiling

 

[Natebishop3]

Stats are not base of one game it's base on all his games played.

And you can't compare stats from the Ignite to college or anything else. It's a developmental team. They don't care about wins. There is no playoffs for them. They play in a lot of exhibitions. The guy rises to the occasion. Scoot told Krysten Peek said that Scoot told her that he was bored with the Ignite and he really wanted to finally make the jump to the NBA. I think the guy showed what he could do, he knew he wasn't going to go #1 and he checked out. This isn't like going to a D1 school and playing to make the tournament. Wins and losses don't mean anything.

 

[inconceivable]

Is it true Dame called Scoot last night? I heared on Rip City morning

 

[sheed30]

I don’t know how anyone can’t be excited about this kid.

I can understand the worry about the dynamics around the Dame situation, the need for more talent now if we want to compete, etc. I can appreciate that.

But Scoot is going to be a solid player in this league and has a high ceiling. And if we can’t add talent quickly to be a solid player team, we’ll at least we’ll be fun as hell to watch with Scoot and Shaedon and there’s a lot of potential for the future.

But here’s hoping we can find a couple pieces to at least make us competitive now while developing a bright future.

People are excited yes and me too, but it’s ridiculous to say this a championship foundation, let’s see some flashes of it at-least or a season or two under his belt.

plus I know who made this thread so I know what he is trying to do in this forum. You will get a like from him when you agree with exactly with what he says lol.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

If Dame decides to leave I want to keep Ant (unless a no brainer trade comes along). Having shooters around Scoot will be critical for spacing and teams know they can’t leave Ant open. I think a 3 guard rotation with Ant as 6th man would be a great rotation

 

[wizenheimer]

And you can't compare stats from the Ignite to college or anything else. It's a developmental team. They don't care about wins. There is no playoffs for them. They play in a lot of exhibitions. The guy rises to the occasion. Scoot told Krysten Peek said that Scoot told her that he was bored with the Ignite and he really wanted to finally make the jump to the NBA. I think the guy showed what he could do, he knew he wasn't going to go #1 and he checked out. This isn't like going to a D1 school and playing to make the tournament. Wins and losses don't mean anything.

I agree with that. Stats always need context

for instance, since I think a player's ability to get to the FT line is actually more important than being a pure shooter (it's a primary reason why Dame is at least a couple of tiers above CJ & Ant), it's really important to remember the g-league rule about FT's. Scoot's FT rate in g-league was .205. That's not impressive. Except...the g-league only awards one FT instead of two. Meaning Scoot's FT rate, adjusted to NBA rules, would be .410. Now that's impressive, especially for a 19 year old who likely hasn't learned all the ways to fish for whistles like a lot of NBA players do; like Dame does

I know a lot of people are really wanting Dame traded; and he may very well ask to be traded. But having Dame around to mentor Scoot, and Shaedon for that matter, can be critical for their development. Recognizing the nuances of getting to the FT line is an area Dame can mentor those guys

 

[glazeduck]

Denver - the Champs
Phoenix - more talent
Memphis - more talent
Sac - on the rise
Lakers - old talent
OKC - on the way up
G-St - still a handful
Spurs - added Wemby

Dallas - Luka but what else?
Utah - young talent
Min - ugh

Just not sure where Portland is in the bottom half. No matter where it is, it's not likely to be high enough to be a contender.

Definitely an interesting way to look at the parity in the conference...
The Champs are the champs, but they're also built around 2 chronically injured dudes and the self-proclaimed "Fat Euro Kid"
Phx will be fascinating to watch. 3 guys who like handling the ball and a big who needs attention to stay engaged. There's only one ball, could see that imploding or being all-time...
Sac -- feels like we're comparative to?
Lakers -- powder keg
OKC -- lots of fun pieces, can they gel?
GSt. -- Klay's lost a step, CP3 integration will be interesting with polar opposite play styles, who's playing down low?
Spurs -- year or two away

We're not the dream team by any stretch, but you can certainly see scenarios where a couple good moves and some luck could put us in competition for HCA in the first round...

 

[Natebishop3]

I agree with that. Stats always need context

for instance, since I think a player's ability to get to the FT line is actually more important than being a pure shooter (it's a primary reason why Dame is at least a couple of tiers above CJ & Ant), it's really important to remember the g-league rule about FT's. Scoot's FT rate in g-league was .205. That's not impressive. Except...the g-league only awards one FT instead of two. Meaning Scoot's FT rate, adjusted to NBA rules, would be .410. Now that's impressive, especially for a 19 year old who likely hasn't learned all the ways to fish for whistles like a lot of NBA players do; like Dame does

I know a lot of people are really wanting Dame traded; and he may very well ask to be traded. But having Dame around to mentor Scoot, and Shaedon for that matter, can be critical for their development. Recognizing the nuances of getting to the FT line is an area Dame can mentor those guys

Keeping Dame doesn't really concern me.... but I think Simons needs to go and it sure feels like we're going to get Wiz'd.

Will we see the return of Sell Low Joe?

 

[blazerfan11]

Scoot has huge hands so power dunking over defenders is possible at his size. Scoot is not an ordinary "small" player or an ordinary 19-year-old.
Wish we could have Wheeler back as the radio guy because there's going to be a lot of "nasty" with Sharpe and Scoot.

"This is a 6'9" defender that is above the rim, but It Does Not Matter!"

 

[KingSpeed]

My argument was that there were something like 3 out of the last 30 finals MVPs that weren’t short guards, so it’s clear to me what the path to winning looks like.

Steph, Isiah and Chauncey were the exceptions.

Those are big exceptions. Tony Parker was Finals MVP too. In 2007. Tony won 3 other titles too though not MVP. Same with Curry. And more often than not, championship teams have an All Star PG.

 

[KingSpeed]

My argument was that there were something like 3 out of the last 30 finals MVPs that weren’t short guards, so it’s clear to me what the path to winning looks like.

Steph, Isiah and Chauncey were the exceptions. Everyone else… tall top 5ish players (another exception was Igoudala who clearly wasn’t the best player on GSW).

And yes, it wasn’t really based on where we drafted to be honest. I said I wouldn’t draft another short guard in general, lol.

I don’t really care where we draft them. I’d be drafting 6’6+ guys with the most potential until the cows come home.

But especially with a top pick, I’d be going after those guys. I also said if there was a SUBSTANTIAL tier difference I’d draft a guard if I had too.

Obviously I’d take Scoot over Rayan Rupert for instance.

also note; I didn’t say top 5 picks to win. I said they’re top 5 players in the league, which for the most part, are taller players. Which was another part of my position. Part of talent for me is size. Probably because it’s harder to guard a 6’8 freak athlete than a 6’2 freak athlete. Giannis can simply do things Scoot will never be able to… because of his size.

Dwyane Wade is 6’4” and was Finals MVP in 2006 too.

 

[DDolla]

Are the Blazers a running team now? I love to push the ball quick for easy 2

 

[KingSpeed]

I don’t see all the hype about Scoot, he reminds me of Eric Bledsoe just more explosive.

It’s just the m.o. of this fanbase, then look for a scapegoat...

This right here, the kid needs to work on his game a lot, tons of explosive athleticism, but his shooting is a issue and people are too over hyped about him here without him playing a second of NBA ball. People here are the funniest, and quite silly with their over the top exceptions.

It’s not just us. There are top scouts who watch everybody and have told us this guy is the real deal.

 

[Ed O]

Stats are not base of one game it's base on all his games played.

But they don't take into account that he was 17 when he scored 31 points against professionals, most of whom were more than three years older than he was.

 

[Predator]

Those are big exceptions. Tony Parker was Finals MVP too. In 2007. Tony won 3 other titles too though not MVP. Same with Curry. And more often than not, championship teams have an All Star PG.

I meant Tony Parker, not Isiah (he's outside the 30-year window), but if you wanted to expand the window to "40" years to include him ... the numbers are even less favorable for guards.

And once again, I'll tell you. EVERY single NBA finals champion in the last 30 years had an all-star over 6'6 or 6'7 or something like that, not going through this again. So "more often than not" vs "every single time".

Also, by saying exceptions I don't mean to discount them and their achievements, they're just the guys who make it not 30 for 30.

But anyway, I'm done with this topic. I get it. You think small guards are the #1 driver to championships. I don't. We'll agree to disagree.

 

[sheed30]

It’s not just us. There are top scouts who watch everybody and have told us this guy is the real deal.

Scouts are more wrong than right

I want him to be great too, I just think he needs to show us first before you call him a future superstar.

 

[James lamphear]

But they don't take into account that he was 17 when he scored 31 points against professionals, most of whom were more than three years older than he was.

Yes he had a good game.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

I meant Tony Parker, not Isiah (he's outside the 30-year window), but if you wanted to expand the window to "40" years to include him ... the numbers are even less favorable for guards.

And once again, I'll tell you. EVERY single NBA finals champion in the last 30 years had an all-star over 6'6 or 6'7 or something like that, not going through this again. So "more often than not" vs "every single time".

Also, by saying exceptions I don't mean to discount them and their achievements, they're just the guys who make it not 30 for 30.

But anyway, I'm done with this topic. I get it. You think small guards are the #1 driver to championships. I don't. We'll agree to disagree.

Who was the all-star on the Warriors 1st title team taller than 6'6? They had a deep team but there were no stars besides the splash bros.

Yeah Draymond has now been an all-star, but he wasn't back then.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

People are excited yes and me too, but it’s ridiculous to say this a championship foundation, let’s see some flashes of it at-least or a season or two under his belt.

plus I know who made this thread so I know what he is trying to do in this forum. You will get a like from him when you agree with exactly with what he says lol.

if ya know me and my posts ya know by now I don’t get the up-rush and warmth of ya’ll likes in my blood-filled body parts. Don’t wish anyone here ill, but I’m not here for the cock (or ego) strokes. #FAMS # brah

 

[inconceivable]

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[UKRAINEFAN]

I was reading a post by TBpup about how many young guys we have on the roster. And I started to think, maybe the Blazers CAN straddle the fence. With all the young guys already here, they don't really need first round picks for a couple years. (And if they can keep drafting guys like Rupert in the second round, they may never need them.)
So let's use those FRP's to package with Anf and Nurk to upgrade and get guys who fit better. Try to get guys like Claxton or Allen who are only 24 and 25 years old so just in case it's doesn't work with Lillard, we could still be a strong team.

 

[wizenheimer]

I was reading a post by TBpup about how many young guys we have on the roster. And I started to think, maybe the Blazers CAN straddle the fence. With all the young guys already here, they don't really need first round picks for a couple years. (And if they can keep drafting guys like Rupert in the second round, they may never need them.)
So let's use those FRP's to package with Anf and Nurk to upgrade and get guys who fit better. Try to get guys like Claxton or Allen who are only 24 and 25 years old so just in case it's doesn't work with Lillard, we could still be a strong team.

the glaring problem with that is Chicago. They don't have to give back their hold on Portland's picks cheaply. In fact, I don't think they would. So if Portland is going to trade a 1st for somebody like Jarret Allen, it will likely cost them two first's, and maybe one would be unprotected or at least very lightly protected

fucking olshey

 

[maxiep]

The bigger question is, to which team could we trade him--when you subtract the pieces coming back to the Blazers--that would be a championship contender?