Blazers & Timbers endorse same sex marriage

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Nope, I don't...are they crazy bat-shit nutters there too?

I made the mistake of reading craigslist personals (or whatever it's called?)...it basically was porn with a slight hint of political oddness.
 
Nope, I don't...are they crazy bat-shit nutters there too?

Yup.

I made the mistake of reading craigslist personals (or whatever it's called?)...it basically was porn with a slight hint of political oddness.

Kinda like the S2 Off Topic section then?
 
Yes, kind of like the S2 OT forum, but only with more fake pussy.
 
e_blazer, you repeated my point.

Gun owners clearly have equal rights with non gun owners. Gun owners are allowed to marry. To keep their children. They are not fired for being gun owners (bringing guns to work is different). To say "we support the second amendment" is about as silly as saying "we support the 5th amendment" or "the 10th amendment" or whatever. It's meaningless.

The teams are saying they support equal rights for all. God, why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?

Unlike mediocre man, most people know the difference between a group they don't happen to belong to and a group that calls for taking away all their civil rights. I am not a member of AARP. AARP does not take about taking away civil rights. I am not black. That is a group I do not belong to. The Ku Klux Klan is a group that calls for taking away all civil rights. I mean, the difference is obvious if you have an IQ in double digits.
 
e_blazer, you repeated my point.

Gun owners clearly have equal rights with non gun owners. Gun owners are allowed to marry. To keep their children. They are not fired for being gun owners (bringing guns to work is different). To say "we support the second amendment" is about as silly as saying "we support the 5th amendment" or "the 10th amendment" or whatever. It's meaningless.

The teams are saying they support equal rights for all. God, why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?

Unlike mediocre man, most people know the difference between a group they don't happen to belong to and a group that calls for taking away all their civil rights. I am not a member of AARP. AARP does not take about taking away civil rights. I am not black. That is a group I do not belong to. The Ku Klux Klan is a group that calls for taking away all civil rights. I mean, the difference is obvious if you have an IQ in double digits.

I agree that the teams are saying that they support equal marriage rights for all. I'm pretty sure that even with my limited IQ I'm able to comprehend that point. I agree that MM's analogy is off the mark.

All I'm trying to point out is that there is no civil right for same-sex couples to marry until such time as either the courts or a legislative body says there is. Rights in our country aren't a name it and claim it thing. They're either spelled out in the Constitution, legislated, or rely on sometimes creative interpretations by the courts to be officially established.
 
e_blazer, you repeated my point.

Gun owners clearly have equal rights with non gun owners. Gun owners are allowed to marry. To keep their children. They are not fired for being gun owners (bringing guns to work is different). To say "we support the second amendment" is about as silly as saying "we support the 5th amendment" or "the 10th amendment" or whatever. It's meaningless.

The teams are saying they support equal rights for all. God, why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?

Unlike mediocre man, most people know the difference between a group they don't happen to belong to and a group that calls for taking away all their civil rights. I am not a member of AARP. AARP does not take about taking away civil rights. I am not black. That is a group I do not belong to. The Ku Klux Klan is a group that calls for taking away all civil rights. I mean, the difference is obvious if you have an IQ in double digits.

I think people who think the way you do probably do have IQ's in the double digits, so we agree there. She said it, I didn't.

Gun control IS a civil right.
 
If the Blazers can help a movement that will allow same sex marriages in Oregon . . . they will have transcended what most people think about professional sport franchises (it's a business all about making money) and taken an active step to effect the community in which they play.

If you don't think this PR move is all about making money, you're mistaken.
 
However one may feel on the topic, this situation moves the action by the Blazers and Timbers into the realm of politics, which is something that I think is not wise for a sports franchise to delve into.

You may be right, but let me just say that if I'm a billionaire I absolutely do whatever the hell I want.
 
I don't really see what the problem with that is.

Because politics are so polarizing. People are very passionate about their beliefs, whether they're Republicans, Democrats, or whatever. I believe that sports should be for everyone regardless of their beliefs. When a team comes out for one issue or another, it marginalizes the beliefs of one group or another. I don't think that's a good idea. I think sports should be unifying. Maybe these two people don't agree outside of the Rose Garden, but for a few hours they are united in their love of the Blazers.

Well well said Nate. Thanks for sharing this prospective. As an incredibly passionate Blazer fan it's disappointing to have the organization engage in a divisive position that puts a serious wedge in between your fandom.
 
Isn't standing up for same sex marriage kind of over now? Not very hip. Maybe the Blazers could stand up for polygamy now. That would be on the cutting edge.
 
If you don't think this PR move is all about making money, you're mistaken.

If it is all about making money, why hasn't any other NBA franchise done it? Why haven't other professional sports franchises done this . . . some other sports franchise has to be interested in making money, right?
 
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Sports teams are very active in local politics. Arena funding, zoning, taxes, development. To say that a sports team shouldn't be involved in politics is crazy. They are, they're proud, get used to it.

Those are politics, but they are politics that the Blazers are directly involved in. Zoning, urban planning, taxes, are all directly impactful to the Blazers' business plan/model.

I'm talking about divisive political issues like gay marriage, abortion, the death penalty, etc.

There is an obvious difference between the two.
 
Bob Costas, in the powerful halftime slot of NBC's "Sunday Night Football," joined in the growing sentiment that the Washington Redskins' nickname is offensive and the team should change it.

In an even-handed essay, Costas said that the name is demeaning, despite no ill will being intended by anyone involved with the Redskins, including owner Daniel Snyder, or their fans. President Barack Obama recently said he would consider changing the name if he was the owner of the team, and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said the league needs to consider the issue.

During his halftime essay, Costas brought up complaints about other team names like Braves, Warriors or Chiefs, and how that seems like "political correctness run amok," but said the Redskins nickname is different.

"These nicknames honor, rather than demean," Costas said.


Costas said names like Blackhawks, Seminoles and Chippewas are trickier, but are OK if the "symbols are appropriately respectful," something MLB's Cleveland Indians and its Chief Wahoo mascot haven't always lived up to.

Costas, whose halftime essays on end-zone celebrations in 2011 and gun control in 2012 became hot-button topics, closed his thoughts on the Redskins' name by saying it can justifiably be seen as offensive.

Here's the full transcript of Costas' essay:

"With Washington playing Dallas here tonight, it seems like an appropriate time to acknowledge the ongoing controversy about the name “Redskins.”

"Let's start here. There is no reason to believe that owner Daniel Snyder, or any official or player from his team, harbors animus toward Native Americans or wishes to disrespect them. This is undoubtedly also true of the vast majority of those who don't think twice about the longstanding moniker. And in fact, as best can be determined, even a majority of Native Americans say they are not offended.


Should NBC get involved in this political issue?

Sometimes you just got to do what you got to do . .

NBC is a media outlet..... isn't that what they do?
 
Those are politics, but they are politics that the Blazers are directly involved in. Zoning, urban planning, taxes, are all directly impactful to the Blazers' business plan/model.

I'm talking about divisive political issues like gay marriage, abortion, the death penalty, etc.

There is an obvious difference between the two.

Taxes are a divisive political issue.
 
NBC is a media outlet..... isn't that what they do?

Is it? Do they report sports news or take political positions?

In any event, Blazers go into territory not yet crossed by any other NBA franchise. I understand your position and it can be polarizing, but I'm glad that a professional sports teams in Ptd have come out aggressively on this topic. Maybe the Blazers should change their names to the Pioneers. :)


"By changing nothing, nothing changes." ~Tony Robbins
 
Considering how many of the Blazers aren't married maybe they're trying to tell us something.
 
If it is all about making money, why hasn't any other NBA franchise done it? Why haven't other professional sports franchises done this . . . some other sports franchise has to be interested in making money, right?

Know your market. I would wager that Portland is one of the communities most open to gay marriage in the country. Charlotte isn't going to take this step. I think it is clear that the franchise did this for PR and/or monetary gain - why else would they have come out on this topic? It may have been forced by the team-du-jour Timbers doing it first and the Blazers not wanting to be at this gala while that gets announced. I'm in favor of gay marriage, but agree with those arguing that the Blazers should focus on basketball.

I compare this to when the Portland city council passed a resolution against the Iraq War - it's PR but meaningless in terms of accomplishing anything.
 
It's interesting that some feel it's all about money while others feel this could potentially hurt the fan base size.

I'm sure the Blazer organization went through the same analysis, and with no definite answer (hasn't been done before) decided what the hell, let's do it.

Now they just need to start playing like a professional basketball team. :)
 
I agree that the teams are saying that they support equal marriage rights for all. I'm pretty sure that even with my limited IQ I'm able to comprehend that point. I agree that MM's analogy is off the mark.

All I'm trying to point out is that there is no civil right for same-sex couples to marry until such time as either the courts or a legislative body says there is. Rights in our country aren't a name it and claim it thing. They're either spelled out in the Constitution, legislated, or rely on sometimes creative interpretations by the courts to be officially established.

People also do what they want to, regardless of the laws. Doesn't make the people wrong. Like jaywalking or smoking dope.

The 10th amendment reserves all things not enumerated to the States, then the people.
 
Know your market. I would wager that Portland is one of the communities most open to gay marriage in the country. Charlotte isn't going to take this step. I think it is clear that the franchise did this for PR and/or monetary gain - why else would they have come out on this topic? It may have been forced by the team-du-jour Timbers doing it first and the Blazers not wanting to be at this gala while that gets announced. I'm in favor of gay marriage, but agree with those arguing that the Blazers should focus on basketball.

I compare this to when the Portland city council passed a resolution against the Iraq War - it's PR but meaningless in terms of accomplishing anything.

There are probably other communities open to this idea. (Golden State comes to mind) Maybe by the Blazers doing this, other teams will consider and do it, which to me would be a great thing.

I'm not sure why the Blazers came out on this topic but following suit to the Timbers probably factored into it. If the Blazers(and Timbers) can use whatever influence they have to further this issue along, I'm all for it . . . but understand why others don't like it.
 
Is it? Do they report sports news or take political positions?

In any event, Blazers go into territory not yet crossed by any other NBA franchise. I understand your position and it can be polarizing, but I'm glad that a professional sports teams in Ptd have come out aggressively on this topic. Maybe the Blazers should change their names to the Pioneers. :)


"By changing nothing, nothing changes." ~Tony Robbins

But that's really not the point, and I think that's why I'm so frustrated right now.

I get it, you're excited because the Blazers came out in favor of an issue that you are strongly in favor of. I am in favor of it as well. How would you feel if the Blazers came out in favor of an issue that you did NOT agree with?

BNM said he'd be upset if the Blazers came out against gay marriage. So did Crand, so why can't you guys see the other side of the fence?
 

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