Game Thread Blazers Vs Spurs Summer League Playoffs GM3

[Scalma]

Talking about summer league?

You talk about things that don't matter?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yeah, we know. You've "passed it on" a few dozen time in multiple threads. It's your new mantra. Too bad you're being disingenuous and transparent.

BNM

Too bad fans can't allow the good with the bad. Someone says they wish Collins would have played better, and everyone scream that summer league doesn't matter.

Then some of those same people praise Swanigan for his summer league play. Where are the rally cries from the masses about it not mattering?

Seems it only goes one way?

 

[Mediocre Man]

You talk about things that don't matter?

I think it matters.

 

[H.C.]

Too bad fans can't allow the good with the bad. Someone says they wish Collins would have played better, and everyone scream that summer league doesn't matter.

Then some of those same people praise Swanigan for his summer league play. Where are the rally cries from the masses about it not mattering?

Seems it only goes one way?

It's a matter of perspective.
There are several posters who are willing to wait and see what players like Collins, Swanigan, AND Bell do at the pro level.
Simply because those posters are unwilling to call x player a bust, or an elite defensive player before they actually play against real NBA competition. Not make assumptions based off playing against euro/g-league players.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

it doesn't matter

it didn't matter

don't matter

I think it matters.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[PDXFonz]

 

[Sweetriverphil]

Apologies to those who posted before me, I haven't read anything in this thread yet.

However,

BLAZERS WIN!!!

I like everything about that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Too bad fans can't allow the good with the bad. Someone says they wish Collins would have played better, and everyone scream that summer league doesn't matter.

Then some of those same people praise Swanigan for his summer league play. Where are the rally cries from the masses about it not mattering?

Seems it only goes one way?

Why does everything have to be so black and white? Different players are at different points on their development curves. Collins is a 19-year old kid with one year of college ball playing 17 MPG off the bench. Did you really expect him to be fully physically mature and NBA ready from the first game of the summer league?

Jordan Bell is a 22-year old with three full seasons of college experience averaging 23 MPG, 20 MPG and 28 MPG. He's 3 years older and has over 4x the college experience Collins has. There's a big difference in physical maturity between 19 and 22. No one should be surprised that Bell is more NBA ready than Collins. That doesn't me he will end up being the better player, when all is said and done. He may be, but he may not be. We won't know for a few years when they have both reached their prime.

Caleb Swanigan is in between the two in both age and experience. So, again, it makes sense that he's more NBA ready than Collins.

And that's just the difference between age and experience. Some players are early bloomers and hit their peak sooner. Some take longer. That's just the way it is.

Some players have great summer leagues and never amount to shit in the NBA. Other players look completely overwhelmed in the summer league and go on to have long and successful NBA careers.

Stop trying to make this one size fits all. It doesn't.

BNM

 

[PDXFonz]

Too bad fans can't allow the good with the bad. Someone says they wish Collins would have played better, and everyone scream that summer league doesn't matter.

Then some of those same people praise Swanigan for his summer league play. Where are the rally cries from the masses about it not mattering?

Seems it only goes one way?

Maybe you should quote those specific people and say it does not matter, instead of applying statements you deem bogus to any situation regardless of whether the person you quote ever made said statements... Just a thought

 

[TBpup]

He started off very slow but I must give credit to Layman for his SL turnaround. The Blazers started winning when he started producing and he is doing a lot of SF type things on the court. It is a nice balance for Swanigan and the rest of the team seems to be feeding off it.

I dare say when they were 1-2 after the 'regular season' portion of Summer League, I don't think many of us had them getting to the semi-finals.

Props to the kids!!

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Why does everything have to be so black and white? Different players are at different points on their development curves. Collins is a 19-year old kid with one year of college ball playing 17 MPG off the bench. Did you really expect him to be fully physically mature and NBA ready from the first game of the summer league?

Jordan Bell is a 22-year old with three full seasons of college experience averaging 23 MPG, 20 MPG and 28 MPG. He's 3 years older and has over 4x the college experience Collins has. There's a big difference in physical maturity between 19 and 22. No one should be surprised that Bell is more NBA ready than Collins. That doesn't me he will end up being the better player, when all is said and done. He may be, but he may not be. We won't know for a few years when they have both reached their prime.

Caleb Swanigan is in between the two in both age and experience. So, again, it makes sense that he's more NBA ready than Collins.

And that's just the difference between age and experience. Some players are early bloomers and hit their peak sooner. Some take longer. That's just the way it is.

Some players have great summer leagues and never amount to shit in the NBA. Other players look completely overwhelmed in the summer league and go on to have long and successful NBA careers.

Stop trying to make this one size fits all. It doesn't.

BNM

See, this doesn't bother me if he were drafted late first but we moved up for THAT. There reasonably should be high expectations for the kid, I wasn't hoping for a G-League level kid for the next couple seasons... I was hoping for a potential ROY candidate who was gonna come in and be able to play 20mpg.

 

[Trackjack]

I know that Collins and Swanigan will in Vegas for month in August at the big man camp. Blazers will have 2 coaches with them from the Blazers. Stotts said he will also go and check there progress.

 

[Scalma]

See, this doesn't bother me if he were drafted late first but we moved up for THAT. There reasonably should be high expectations for the kid, I wasn't hoping for a G-League level kid for the next couple seasons... I was hoping for a potential ROY candidate who was gonna come in and be able to play 20mpg.

If you have a 19 year old rookie playing 20mpg you're probably not a very good team.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

If you have a 19 year old rookie playing 20mpg you're probably not a very good team.

Boston, Dallas, and Miami, are gonna have a rookie playing 20mpg and it's not like those teams are that much better or worse than us...

 

[Scalma]

Boston, Dallas, and Miami, are gonna have a rookie playing 20mpg and it's not like those teams are that much better or worse than us...

Yeah they are that much worse. And we'll see about Tatum playing 20mpg.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Ya, no way I see Tatum getting 20 mins a game for BOS his first year.

 

[Boob-No-More]

See, this doesn't bother me if he were drafted late first but we moved up for THAT. There reasonably should be high expectations for the kid, I wasn't hoping for a G-League level kid for the next couple seasons... I was hoping for a potential ROY candidate who was gonna come in and be able to play 20mpg.

Then it was your expectations that were unreasonable. LaMarcus Aldridge was picked with the 2nd pick in the draft, was older, with two years of college experience and wasn't a ROY candidate, but still ended up being the best big man selected in that draft.

C.J. McCollum was a 10th pick in the draft, was a 4-year starter in college and 3 years older than Collins as a rookie. He wasn't a ROY candidate and didn't even average more than 15.7 MPG until his third year in the league and he's turned out just fine.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Ya, no way I see Tatum getting 20 mins a game for BOS his first year.

They took Jaylen Brown with the 3rrd pick last year, he only averaged 17.2 MPG and didn't have Gordon Hayward playing in front of him. So yeah, Tatum getting 20 MPG is far from a done deal.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Yeah they are that much worse. And we'll see about Tatum playing 20mpg.

Miami had the same record as us... and that was without Winslow and then Waiters for a good portion. They have an elite coach too, team fits well together. Should be a HCA team in the East. Boston IS better than us and Tatum absolutely should play 20mpg (Brown slides to 2, Crowder slides to small ball 4). Dallas is a dark horse team right now, they have the makings of a serious elite defensive team.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Is Jake our answer at the SF position? I don't think he is a worst defender than Ryan Anderson and he definitely shoots better than Mo Harkless.
I know that Caleb is definitely the answer at the PF position. There is no doubt in my mind that Caled will be our starting PF by mid year at the latest.

Still not convinced he is a PF. Against some teams I suppose he and Nurk will fit well together, but against others...... no way. Just like I don't think Ed Davis would fit well next to Nurk. Noah seems a little better suited to cover the diverse PF's in the NBA. But I do think Swanigan can give us back up minutes at both the 4-5 positions depending on the matchups.

 

[Boob-No-More]

For the record, last year's 10th pick was also (allegedly) a 19-year old 7-footer - Thon Maker and he averaged 9.9 MPG.

Of the 8 rookies that averaged > 20 MPG last season, only two played on winning teams, neither were 19, and one was 24-year old ROY Malcom Brogdon.

BNM

 

[Scalma]

Miami had the same record as us... and that was without Winslow and then Waiters for a good portion. They have an elite coach too, team fits well together. Should be a HCA team in the East. Boston IS better than us and Tatum absolutely should play 20mpg. Dallas is a dark horse team right now, they have the makings of a serious elite defensive team.

Miami plays in the east and still missed the playoffs. As for our record, it would've looked different as well if we had Nurkic the whole season. What we did before we got him is insignificant. He's a gamechanger that changed the entire team and also made everyone around him better. Miami is not a 50+ win team even with Waiters and Winslow. Portland should be. As for Boston. Whose minutes is Tatum taking?

 

[Boob-No-More]

Miami had the same record as us... and that was without Winslow and then Waiters for a good portion. They have an elite coach too, team fits well together. Should be a HCA team in the East. Boston IS better than us and Tatum absolutely should play 20mpg (Brown slides to 2, Crowder slides to small ball 4). Dallas is a dark horse team right now, they have the makings of a serious elite defensive team.

So, Gordon Hayward is only going to play 28 MPG? Seems like a lot of money to pay a guy who will average fewer MPG than Allen Crabbe.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Then it was your expectations that were unreasonable. LaMarcus Aldridge was picked with the 2nd pick in the draft, was older, with two years of college experience and wasn't a ROY candidate, but still ended up being the best big man selected in that draft.

C.J. McCollum was a 10th pick in the draft, was a 4-year starter in college and 3 years older than Collins as a rookie. He wasn't a ROY candidate and didn't even average more than 15.7 MPG until his third year in the league and he's turned out just fine.

BNM

Aldridge was 1000x better of a prospect than Collins and he put up solid numbers for backing up an all-star level PF for most his rookie season (something Collins won't be doing) so that comparison doesn't make sense unless you're trying to say Collins is gonna end up the best big man of 2017? Which I do not see happening whatsoever.

CJ is a different story completely too, he was buried in the lineup and got hurt. To be fair I didn't have much faith in CJ until he balled out against Memphis but I think most Blazer fans were worried that CJ wasn't gonna be able to produce, especially when Barton was playing over him.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Miami plays in the east and still missed the playoffs. As for our record, it would've looked different as well if we had Nurkic the whole season. What we did before we got him is insignificant. He's a gamechanger that changed the entire team and also made everyone around him better. Miami is not a 50+ win team even with Waiters and Winslow. Portland should be. As for Boston. Whose minutes is Tatum taking?

Tatum will get Brown's rookie minutes since he is gonna be their starting 2 in all likelihood. From there he will probably get some minutes at shooting guard and power forward when they want to go big or small. Tatum has a big chance at ROY, and hell maybe even 6MOY

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

For the record, last year's 10th pick was also (allegedly) a 19-year old 7-footer - Thon Maker and he averaged 9.9 MPG.

Of the 8 rookies that averaged > 20 MPG last season, only two played on winning teams, neither were 19, and one was 24-year old ROY Malcom Brogdon.

BNM

To be fair no one thought Thon was going top 10 and this past draft was one of the worst classes EVER

 

[Scalma]

Tatum will get Brown's rookie minutes since he is gonna be their starting 2 in all likelihood. From there he will probably get some minutes at shooting guard and power forward when they want to go big or small. Tatum has a big chance at ROY, and hell maybe even 6MOY

Even if that happens, Boston is a special case. An exception. Teams as good as them usually don't have a top 3 pick.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Aldridge was 1000x better of a prospect than Collins and he put up solid numbers for backing up an all-star level PF for most his rookie season (something Collins won't be doing) so that comparison doesn't make sense unless you're trying to say Collins is gonna end up the best big man of 2017? Which I do not see happening whatsoever.

I didn't say Collins would be the best big from his draft. My point was that Aldridge, an older, more experienced 2nd pick barely played 20 MPG as a rookie and was not a ROY candidate. Therefore, expecting a younger 10th pick to be those things is simply not realistic.

CJ is a different story completely too, he was buried in the lineup and got hurt. To be fair I didn't have much faith in CJ until he balled out against Memphis but I think most Blazer fans were worried that CJ wasn't gonna be able to produce, especially when Barton was playing over him.

And did you not learn anything from that? You're giving up on Collins WAY sooner than you gave up on C.J. C.J. proved you wrong. Here's hoping Collins does too.

BNM

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Even if that happens, Boston is a special case. An exception. Teams as good as them usually don't have a top 3 pick.

Do teams as "good" as us usually get top 10 picks? Look, I want this all to workout but I don't get what the point in drafting Collins was unless he is to be the guy we hand the franchise to when Dame and CJ age.