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Blazers vs Warriors Game Thread Part II 10/18/10
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I understand it's preseason and we have some injuries but it's almost the end of preseason and this was Golden State and it was not close.
Some comments (Blazersedge) from a guy who was at the game seem to confirm what we see in the boxscore:
* If Brandon Roy plans on taking over the game more he didn't show it tonight. He looked to be going through the motions, like he was still on vacation instead of ramping up for the season. Monta Ellis, in a rare defensive display, controlled Roy. Brandon never forced the issue--positively or negatively--looking like he was almost thrusting the game upon his teammates instead of rising to a challenge. He looks ten games away from being ready to play. One hopes he can turn it on quickly because the team didn't execute well in his absence.
* Andre Miller was guarded by Stephen Curry all night. Curry isn't a defensive specialist and he gives up 20 pounds to Miller but Miller took most of the abuse in the confrontation. He looked more into the game than Roy but was sloppy with the ball, getting his pockets and passes picked.
* Nicolas Batum is still a puzzle. Either the Blazers haven't figured out how to get him into the offense or he hasn't figured out how to get himself in. They ran only a couple plays for him. Even when he got the ball he wasn't smooth in his execution, though also guarded by weaker defenders. He traveled twice trying to take guys he c ould beat in his sleep. He was the outsider looking in tonight. He wasn't productive at all.
* LaMarcus Aldridge looked to be playing hard. He seemed to enjoy the challenge of being matched up with David Lee, over whom he had the advantage.
* You also have to love Dante Cunningham because he always hustles.
* Even though you know the story, it's still shocking to see so many Blazers in street clothes...a story defining the bench as much as anything. The lack of Blazer big men allowed the Warriors to win the glass battle.
* Armon Johnson looked better than Jerryd Bayless tonight...more comfortable running the second unit anyway. Bayless is a good player but he doesn't seem to have figured out his role yet for whatever reason. Johnson at least knows who he is and it shows.
* Elliot Williams doesn't look ready yet. His athleticism, speed, and hops are evident but if you're measuring by point guard skills he's behind Bayless and Johnson both.
* Luke Babbitt hustles and rebounds. He's giving effort. He looks lost defensively. He doesn't appear to understand spacing on defense. He looks confused on offense, perhaps because he's trying to fill in multiple roles because of injuries. He supposedly has the green light to shoot but he appears to be thinking before every shot and then forcing it. His three-pointer looks clumsy. He is unselfish with the ball though. He might have passing potential eventually. The decision-making lag just doesn't allow it now. He looks promising though, especially with the energy.
* Rudy was shooting almost effortlessly (as opposed to without effort like some of the starters). His release looks even faster than in previous years. When he comes off of a screen he's not hesitating a bit. He's letting fly and hitting...amazing! If he's trying to be a playmaker, though, it's not quite there. In the open court with nobody on him he's brilliant. In the halfcourt he can't reach escape velocity and he's forcing awkward passes with defenders on him. The slower the game moves and the better he's watched the worse it looks. In the first half he showed some camaraderie with Aldridge and a couple other teammates. In the second half he sat apart from everyone else on the far end of a side portion of the bench, the seats of which were aligned at a 90-degree angle to the rest of the team, disengaged. Patty Mills eventually joined him for a few minutes. Then again, the whole team pretty much checked out after halftime.
* The Blazers looked like they wanted to run their sets on offense but nothing was crisp. They jogged through cuts (most notably Roy and Batum). They set lazy screens and/or didn't use them. On defense all the Warriors had to do was cut hard and they were open. The overall effort was disappointing. Any sense of urgency must have been left in Portland in their last contest. If you're looking to color this game, go with anemic."
It seems to me that Bayless and Batum are not making the progress some had hoped for and nothing special is coming out of the Miller/Roy combo. I hope that we see some improvement soon.
http://www.blazersedge.com/
Some comments (Blazersedge) from a guy who was at the game seem to confirm what we see in the boxscore:
* If Brandon Roy plans on taking over the game more he didn't show it tonight. He looked to be going through the motions, like he was still on vacation instead of ramping up for the season. Monta Ellis, in a rare defensive display, controlled Roy. Brandon never forced the issue--positively or negatively--looking like he was almost thrusting the game upon his teammates instead of rising to a challenge. He looks ten games away from being ready to play. One hopes he can turn it on quickly because the team didn't execute well in his absence.
* Andre Miller was guarded by Stephen Curry all night. Curry isn't a defensive specialist and he gives up 20 pounds to Miller but Miller took most of the abuse in the confrontation. He looked more into the game than Roy but was sloppy with the ball, getting his pockets and passes picked.
* Nicolas Batum is still a puzzle. Either the Blazers haven't figured out how to get him into the offense or he hasn't figured out how to get himself in. They ran only a couple plays for him. Even when he got the ball he wasn't smooth in his execution, though also guarded by weaker defenders. He traveled twice trying to take guys he c ould beat in his sleep. He was the outsider looking in tonight. He wasn't productive at all.
* LaMarcus Aldridge looked to be playing hard. He seemed to enjoy the challenge of being matched up with David Lee, over whom he had the advantage.
* You also have to love Dante Cunningham because he always hustles.
* Even though you know the story, it's still shocking to see so many Blazers in street clothes...a story defining the bench as much as anything. The lack of Blazer big men allowed the Warriors to win the glass battle.
* Armon Johnson looked better than Jerryd Bayless tonight...more comfortable running the second unit anyway. Bayless is a good player but he doesn't seem to have figured out his role yet for whatever reason. Johnson at least knows who he is and it shows.
* Elliot Williams doesn't look ready yet. His athleticism, speed, and hops are evident but if you're measuring by point guard skills he's behind Bayless and Johnson both.
* Luke Babbitt hustles and rebounds. He's giving effort. He looks lost defensively. He doesn't appear to understand spacing on defense. He looks confused on offense, perhaps because he's trying to fill in multiple roles because of injuries. He supposedly has the green light to shoot but he appears to be thinking before every shot and then forcing it. His three-pointer looks clumsy. He is unselfish with the ball though. He might have passing potential eventually. The decision-making lag just doesn't allow it now. He looks promising though, especially with the energy.
* Rudy was shooting almost effortlessly (as opposed to without effort like some of the starters). His release looks even faster than in previous years. When he comes off of a screen he's not hesitating a bit. He's letting fly and hitting...amazing! If he's trying to be a playmaker, though, it's not quite there. In the open court with nobody on him he's brilliant. In the halfcourt he can't reach escape velocity and he's forcing awkward passes with defenders on him. The slower the game moves and the better he's watched the worse it looks. In the first half he showed some camaraderie with Aldridge and a couple other teammates. In the second half he sat apart from everyone else on the far end of a side portion of the bench, the seats of which were aligned at a 90-degree angle to the rest of the team, disengaged. Patty Mills eventually joined him for a few minutes. Then again, the whole team pretty much checked out after halftime.
* The Blazers looked like they wanted to run their sets on offense but nothing was crisp. They jogged through cuts (most notably Roy and Batum). They set lazy screens and/or didn't use them. On defense all the Warriors had to do was cut hard and they were open. The overall effort was disappointing. Any sense of urgency must have been left in Portland in their last contest. If you're looking to color this game, go with anemic."
It seems to me that Bayless and Batum are not making the progress some had hoped for and nothing special is coming out of the Miller/Roy combo. I hope that we see some improvement soon.
http://www.blazersedge.com/
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So one preseason game to go and then they flip the switch right? Right?!
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I don't have a huge problem with this loss because it looked like GS was playing to win, and we only played our key guys half the game. I didn't listen to the game though, so maybe we only played them half the game because they were stinking it up. If that's the case......Choo choo
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3rd quarter was when we lost the game. Both teams had starters in.
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basically the 2nd qtr we played all rookies (12 point lead at the time) which then gave us a 1 point lead at half.
3rd qtr we imploded with the starters. they killed us. thats being nice about it. and again by description on radio... roy was lethargic. it seems like nobody knows when to score. its almost like they are thinking is it my turn to scorE?
3rd qtr we imploded with the starters. they killed us. thats being nice about it. and again by description on radio... roy was lethargic. it seems like nobody knows when to score. its almost like they are thinking is it my turn to scorE?
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Roy is now officially Nicolas Batum. Minus the defense...
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No kind of inside presence is whats killing us.
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Few other points:
We're gonna have to learn to use the small lineup. Dante can do ANYthing, you hear me - anything! - and he'll be our starting Center.
I think Roy has a real problem with Andre Miller being his partner in the backcourt. Hopefully, he's mature enough to get over it.
When is Mathewss coming back? We don't have Centers, which means small-lineup which means more minutes for all the smaller players. Wesley's toughness and defense should come in handy.
Zone defense. LA and Dante inside on both sides of the key, Batum at the top of the key-3 point line and Miller and Roy covering the corners.
In order to win, we need to play right, play as a team and play strong. Take what the defense gives you and keep it flowing offensively; On defense cover your area and trust your judgement, come quick to double-team and don't be afraid to make mistakes.
We're gonna have to learn to use the small lineup. Dante can do ANYthing, you hear me - anything! - and he'll be our starting Center.
I think Roy has a real problem with Andre Miller being his partner in the backcourt. Hopefully, he's mature enough to get over it.
When is Mathewss coming back? We don't have Centers, which means small-lineup which means more minutes for all the smaller players. Wesley's toughness and defense should come in handy.
Zone defense. LA and Dante inside on both sides of the key, Batum at the top of the key-3 point line and Miller and Roy covering the corners.
In order to win, we need to play right, play as a team and play strong. Take what the defense gives you and keep it flowing offensively; On defense cover your area and trust your judgement, come quick to double-team and don't be afraid to make mistakes.
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You tell 'em coach.
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Oden told Nate, "I've got to go, Nate. It's all right. I'm not afraid. Some time, Nate, when the team is up against it, when things are wrong and the breaks are beating the boys, ask them to go in there with all they've got and win just one for the Gimper. I don't know where I'll be then, Nate. But I'll know about it, and I'll be happy."
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