Blazers want to bring Pritchard back now?

[The_Lillard_King]

We're #12!! We're #12!!

Portland would probably rate in the top half as well in the NBA, mainly due to Allen's money. How that leads to championships, or even consistent wins in the playoffs, eludes me at this point.

I have to laugh at the guy getting slammed for his unnecessary Tweet and having Miller attack Pritchard, who did nothing except be named in a rumor, and then the next day bragging about how great his 8-8 football team is in the eyes of FoxSports.com. Is he losing it?

ETA - the Seabags were 7-9 and have no QB. Awesome!!!

If I owned a organization, I would very happy with that. Mock it all you want, reality you will never be able to say your NFL organization is ranked #12. Why hate on a guy who is showing some pride in ownership. I'm guessing no matter what PA says or does, you will twist it into some mocking statement to show PA is a joke (like this thing released by fox sports). But in the end we all know who the joke is right?

 

[PapaG]

If I owned a organization, I would very happy with that. Mock it all you want, reality you will never be able to say your NFL organization is ranked #12. Why hate on a guy who is showing some pride in ownership. I'm guessing no matter what PA says or does, you will twist it into some mocking statement to show PA is a joke (like this thing released by fox sports). But in the end we all know who the joke is right?

Gee, really?

Clue for you: 99.99999% of posters on this or any board will never play in the NBA, be a player in the NBA, coach in the NBA, be a GM in the NBA, be a trainer in the NBA, answer the phones for an NBA owner, etc. etc.

In fact, in all of my years of posting, HCP is literally the only consistent member of any on-line community, with any franchise, that I know of who actually has more than a peripheral connection to the teams they post about.

If your argument is 'well, you'll never do it, so you're a joke', then doesn't that make all of us jokes, and by proxy, the entire idea of posting about the NBA, or debating anything related to the NBA, a joke as well? We have an owner goofing off in Africa instead of finding a legitimate GM 3 weeks prior to the draft, and dropping by in France to watch "videos" of only God and Paul know what terrible Euro he'll fall in love with next.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Gee, really?

Clue for you: 99.99999% of posters on this or any board will never play in the NBA, be a player in the NBA, coach in the NBA, be a GM in the NBA, be a trainer in the NBA, answer the phones for an NBA owner, etc. etc.

In fact, in all of my years of posting, HCP is literally the only consistent member of any on-line community, with any franchise, that I know of who actually has more than a peripheral connection to the teams they post about.

If your argument is 'well, you'll never do it, so you're a joke', then doesn't that make all of us jokes, and by proxy, the entire idea of posting about the NBA, or debating anything related to the NBA, a joke as well? We have an owner goofing off in Africa instead of finding a legitimate GM 3 weeks prior to the draft, and dropping by in France to watch "videos" of only God and Paul know what terrible Euro he'll fall in love with next.

It's not me who needs a clue. The joke isn't that people who will never be in that position are telling people in that position what to do. The joke is you jumping all over PA and making these wild claims about him that you in particular probably shouldn't.


The one I find funniest is you point to the fact that PA didn't even keep Cho for over a year to show how irrational he must be. You went so far as to say you don't care what the reasons, fact is he fired Cho less than a year in. Dude, you can't even keep a screen name for more than a year. Does that show you are irrational? I don't care the reasons for the change fact is you were papag then you switched to BGrantFan and swore you were not papag, then in less than a year you changed to papag. Fair for people to assume you are irrational?

Then we get into the whole petty thing and what you think makes him petty, but hopefully you see where that is going . . .

 

[PapaG]

It's not me who needs a clue. The joke isn't that people who will never be in that position are telling people in that position what to do. The joke is you jumping all over PA and making these wild claims about him that you in particular probably shouldn't.

I'm not telling Paul Allen what to do. I'm giving my opinion on what he has done. What wild claims am I making about him? Please share those with me, that is if you can get all of PA's poopstains off of your nose first.

The one I find funniest is you point to the fact that PA didn't even keep Cho for over a year to show how irrational he must be. You went so far as to say you don't care what the reasons, fact is he fired Cho less than a year in. Dude, you can't even keep a screen name for more than a year. Does that show you are irrational? I don't care the reasons for the change fact is you were papag then you switched to BGrantFan and swore you were not papag, then in less than a year you changed to papag. Fair for people to assume you are irrational?

I never swore that I wasn't PapaG. Stop making things up. I've had 2 screen names in 12 years; PapaG, and then BGrantFan when BenDavis503 went psycho on me.

Also, haven't you had about 4 screen names in the past 6 years? You're busting on a guy for 1 name change in 12 years, and you've changed yours how many times? What a foolish thing to post. Are you a fool?

Then we get into the whole petty thing and what you think makes him petty

I think what he has done is petty. I think sending out a Tweet about KP, and having Larry Miller deny a dumb rumor during interviews, is the sign of a petty man. That's called an OPINION.

but hopefully you see where that is going . . .

Where is this going? I have a guy who changes screen names more than Paul Allen changes GMs bashing me for one name change in 12 years, and then you take up Paul Allen's defense like Larry Allen would after a night of drinking tequila.

You're a trip, dude.

 

[STOMP]

In other words, you can find no link to back up your claims, so we're just supposed to take your word for it.

Um ... yeah.

I really don't give a shit what you think about anything troll. The others can feel free to see that other posters recall the same broadcasts as a coraboration... or not. I've sited all along that I'm going on memory, but it's not like I'm an established POS liar like say... BGrantFan

STOMP

 

[The_Lillard_King]

I'm not telling Paul Allen what to do. I'm giving my opinion on what he has done. What wild claims am I making about him? Please share those with me, that is if you can get all of PA's poopstains off of your nose first.




I never swore that I wasn't PapaG. Stop making things up. I've had 2 screen names in 12 years; PapaG, and then BGrantFan when BenDavis503 went psycho on me.

Also, haven't you had about 4 screen names in the past 6 years? You're busting on a guy for 1 name change in 12 years, and you've changed yours how many times? What a foolish thing to post. Are you a fool?



I think what he has done is petty. I think sending out a Tweet about KP, and having Larry Miller deny a dumb rumor during interviews, is the sign of a petty man. That's called an OPINION.



Where is this going? I have a guy who changes screen names more than Paul Allen changes GMs bashing me for one name change in 12 years, and then you take up Paul Allen's defense like Larry Allen would after a night of drinking tequila.

You're a trip, dude.

Let's get into this name change shall we. You tripped out, changed names and pretended to be someone else. Then in blink you are back to papag. (Another irony is much of the board thought you were the one being petty over the whole Nate pointing a gun at you and fear of being personally attacked.)

Vs me who changes my screen name when the person I am using was fired, traded, their contract expired or they are injured to the point of being a non-factor. Difference is I don't pretend to be someone else. I know you see the difference there even if you won't admit it.

My point papag, is that for you to make accusations that Allen is irrationale, vile and petty based on nothing but your own assumptions of what is going on in the fromt office seems more projection on your part than good analysis of the situation.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/154733-Question!?highlight=papag+bgrantfan

http://sportstwo.com/threads/157096-Where-the-Fuck-is-Maris?highlight=papag+bgrantfan

I found this post the funniest (was it wierd to talk about yourself in the 3rd person?)
BGrantFan
Ah, yes. I got confused with who I am supposed to be. The PapaG guy must have really made an impact here. I checked out his profile today and some posts. Seems a bit of a nutter, but wow, that BenDavis503 guy seems to be a veritable psycho. Oh, the drama!



Go Blazers!

 

[PapaG]

I really don't give a shit what you think about anything troll.

If me asking you for a link to validate your hearsay testimony makes me a troll, then I guess I'm a troll.

The others can feel free to see that other posters recall the same broadcasts as a coraboration... or not. I've sited all along that I'm going on memory, but it's not like I'm an established POS liar like say... BGrantFan

STOMP

I haven't seen anybody else corroborate your memory, and I listened to the same shows that you did at the time. I did read SlyPokerDog say that he had heard John Gabriel was the guy behind the trade, but he also did qualify it as being second- or third-hand information. I do not recall hearing Pritchard giving Patterson the credit for making those trades. I remember him as saying it was a team effort, but he never specifically said that Patterson closed the deals. Patterson said that to Brian Berger, amoung others.

I've sited all along that I'm going on memory

You were treating you memory as fact. I'm sorry if some people don't accept every wise word you type at face value.

but it's not like I'm an established POS liar like say... BGrantFan

Tell us more stories about rec league ball, and how it relates to stamina in the NBA. Those always gave that BGrantFan guy a good giggle.

 

[PapaG]

LOL

I basically admitted it right here, in the thread you quoted.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/154733-Question!?p=2268558&viewfull=1#post2268558

You said I "swore" that I wasn't PapaG. That never happened. Those that could see through it PM'd me and shared in the laughs, and Ed and Minstrel knew all along. Those that are apparrently dumber than others were surprised at the Big Reveal!

:MARIS61:

I found this post the funniest (was it wierd to talk about yourself in the 3rd person?)
BGrantFan
Ah, yes. I got confused with who I am supposed to be. The PapaG guy must have really made an impact here. I checked out his profile today and some posts. Seems a bit of a nutter, but wow, that BenDavis503 guy seems to be a veritable psycho. Oh, the drama!

I thought that was funny! I even got some PMs and Rep for that post from some posters.

I'm sorry that you feel bad because I think your hero Paul Allen is borderline incompetent in terms of having a clue how to run an NBA team. I'm sure whoever BGrantFan was does as well!

 

[STOMP]

If me asking you for a link to validate your hearsay testimony makes me a troll, then I guess I'm a troll.



I haven't seen anybody else corroborate your memory,

post #59 in this thread troll

You were treating you memory as fact. I'm sorry if some people don't accept every wise word you type at face value.

you are not people, you are the board troll... lurking and hoping to find something to argue about. Throwing out ridiculous crap in hopes of your precious nightly back and forth. It's a tired and pathetic song and dance

I identified my memory as such. Mediocre Man recalled the same exact thing. Do you think we're in cahoots trying to spread credit among Blazer management of the past? What in the world would be our motivation for such deviousness?

Tell us more stories about rec league ball, and how it relates to stamina in the NBA. Those always gave that BGrantFan guy a good giggle.

BGrantFan is a pathetic POS liar

STOMP

 

[The_Lillard_King]

LOL

I basically admitted it right here, in the thread you quoted.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/154733-Question!?p=2268558&viewfull=1#post2268558

You said I "swore" that I wasn't PapaG. That never happened. Those that could see through it PM'd me and shared in the laughs, and Ed and Minstrel knew all along. Those that are apparrently dumber than others were surprised at the Big Reveal!

:MARIS61:



I thought that was funny! I even got some PMs and Rep for that post from some posters.

I'm sorry that you feel bad because I think your hero Paul Allen is borderline incompetent in terms of having a clue how to run an NBA team. I'm sure whoever BGrantFan was does as well!

I'll accept your apology (from both of you). . . as papag as it was.

I know going into this who I'm dealing with and got to admit that sometimes I want it. You bring life to the board and that is a good thing. You know that name change is going to haunt you forever and should go down as the stupidist board action in S2 history . . . give up on the you were to cool and smart for the ones that wanted to give a newbie the benefit of the doubt. Anyways, as always, I digress with you.

You piss off a lot of people, me included, but I'm glad your part of this board. We will tangle again nutter!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

"Focus is on the draft"

As in tease the fans with rumors of trading up high in the lotto and then draft some guy we stash in Europe for a better part of a decade.

 

[PapaG]

post #59 in this thread troll


you are not people, you are the board troll... lurking and hoping to find something to argue about. Throwing out ridiculous crap in hopes of your precious nightly back and forth. It's a tired and pathetic song and dance

I identified my memory as such. Mediocre Man recalled the same exact thing. Do you think we're in cahoots trying to spread credit among Blazer management of the past? What in the world would be our motivation for such deviousness?


BGrantFan is a pathetic POS liar

STOMP

All I asked for was a link. What is it, 4 posts later from you, and you still won't (read: can't) provide a link. Instead, you hi-jacked the thread and made it about me, simply because someone challenged your memory of what I imagine is the same interview on Jim Rome.

Please try to stay on-topic. This talk of "trolls" and "POS" isn't going to make a link majically appear for you.

 

[STOMP]

All I asked for was a link. What is it, 4 posts later from you, and you still won't (read: can't) provide a link.

3 posts later... in addition to being easily confused by words it doesn't come as a surprise you aren't so hot with numbers either.

and just to get this straight, you think there are links to radio broadcasts from 5 1/2 years ago?

you hi-jacked the thread and made it about me, simply because someone challenged your memory of what I imagine is the same interview on Jim Rome.

Please try to stay on-topic. This talk of "trolls" and "POS" isn't going to make a link majically appear for you.

I hijacked the thread? SOS from Papatroll. You initially stated I was "talking out my ass" in response to my claim of a memory of a radio broadcast that was very much on topic. You went on to say that no one else had heard the same thing even though you'd already responded to the poster who had said he heard the same thing. Were you lying at that point or is your memory really so bad that you can't remember what you read and typed less then a day back? Now you've moved past the attack/insult stage to stage 2 where you claim you're the victim when called on your transparent BS.

Every single night, seemingly every other thread... nice life you've got going there. I'd like to encourage you to follow through with your threat to lead the board exodus to another site. You just go on ahead and we'll all be there in a minute or two...

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

3 posts later... in addition to being easily confused by words it doesn't come as a surprise you aren't so hot with numbers either.

and just to get this straight, you think there are links to radio broadcasts from 5 1/2 years ago?


I hijacked the thread? SOS from Papatroll. You initially stated I was "talking out my ass" in response to my claim of a memory of a radio broadcast that was very much on topic. You went on to say that no one else had heard the same thing even though you'd already responded to the poster who had said he heard the same thing. Were you lying at that point or is your memory really so bad that you can't remember what you read and typed less then a day back? Now you've moved past the attack/insult stage to stage 2 where you claim you're the victim when called on your transparent BS.

Every single night, seemingly every other thread... nice life you've got going there. I'd like to encourage you to follow through with your threat to lead the board exodus to another site. You just go on ahead and we'll all be there in a minute or two...

STOMP

I asked for a link. Without one, I assumed that the person who posted it was talking out of their ass.

Still no link...

 

[STOMP]

I asked for a link. Without one, I assumed that the person who posted it was talking out of their ass.

Still no link...

again, are you so dense that you think there are links to radio broadcasts from 5 1/2 years ago?

you claimed no one else recalled the same broadcast, even though you'd already responded to someone who claimed he'd heard the same thing. Pretty much answers that question eh?

STOMP

 

[PapaG]

again, are you so dense that you think there are links to radio broadcasts from 5 1/2 years ago?

you claimed no one else recalled the same broadcast, even though you'd already responded to someone who claimed he'd heard the same thing. Pretty much answers that question eh?

STOMP

I'm just looking for a link with a quote where KP gives Patterson full credit for making the deals, and you decide to have a meltdown, criticize my life, and call me names.

Where is the link? You seem to have anger issues when others ask for a little bit of proof. You've been wrong before, you've made ridiculous comparisons before, you've had battles with other posters ... and now you have to resort the the "we" card in order to feel better about yourself.

Sad, isn't it?

Anyhow, since your little anecdote about KP was really a side story, and because you can't source it, I think we're done, aren't we?

 

[STOMP]

I'm just looking for a link with a quote where KP gives Patterson full credit for making the deals, and you decide to have a meltdown, criticize my life, and call me names.

... you so politely started looking for a link right after you said I was "talking out my ass"

The victim act is truly pathetic

Where is the link? You seem to have anger issues when others ask for a little bit of proof. You've been wrong before, you've made ridiculous comparisons before, you've had battles with other posters ... and now you have to resort the the "we" card in order to feel better about yourself.

Sad, isn't it?

Anyhow, since your little anecdote about KP was really a side story, and because you can't source it, I think we're done, aren't we?

Yes, you're done. There is no link, there never was claimed to be a link, your strawman was really weak and you know it, so you're bowing out. Understood.

Just remember Troll, because of the value I place on our exchanges and all that I learn from you, I'd rather we don't interact. I only respond to your nonsense after about the third or forth time you've taken a swipe at me. Keep proving yourself by going after posters who leave you alone

and Ha Ha at you saying anyone has anger issues... what would be truly funny is if you started a poll thread on which posters have issues. I'm guessing there would be a runaway weiner

STOMP

 

[THE HCP]

I LOVE THIS PLACE! Have any of you guys watched BigBrother on CBS each summer? We should put 15 of us in a house together and let the cameras roll!

 

[VanillaGorilla]

I LOVE THIS PLACE! Have any of you guys watched BigBrother on CBS each summer? We should put 15 of us in a house together and let the cameras roll!

I'm in!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Not to get back on topic......

People keep saying we don't know why Cho was fired. Really? The Blazers were pretty clear that it *wasn't* for job performance issues.

So, either the Blazers are liars, or they fired the guy without a *good* reason. Which kinda negates the claim that PA is all about trying to win.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not to get back on topic......

People keep saying we don't know why Cho was fired. Really? The Blazers were pretty clear that it *wasn't* for job performance issues.

So, either the Blazers are liars, or they fired the guy without a *good* reason. Which kinda negates the claim that PA is all about trying to win.

Or Cho was picked as an interim kind of thing because the team needed someone, and the owner doesn't see him as a long term fit.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Or Cho was picked as an interim kind of thing because the team needed someone, and the owner doesn't see him as a long term fit.

That makes absolutely no sense. Why give him a 3-year contract if the plan was for him to be a short term (10 months) interim GM? When they hired the guy, they made a huge point about what a great communicator and "people person" he was:

"Rich is the perfect fit for our organization," said Miller. “He has the right balance of basketball knowledge, business acumen and tremendous people skills. Everyone I spoke to about Rich commented not just on his qualifications but on who he is as a person. He is well known for his ability to connect genuinely with people. Rich will be a great fit for our organization and for Portland. He is an executive on the rise and we're thrilled to have him as a Trail Blazer."

And then, 10 months later:

"One of the things that was probably one of the most important things about the GM role is that there has to be a connection and a chemistry with the owner. Not just with the owner but mainly with the owner and the rest of the management. The reality is in this particular situation there just wasn’t that chemistry."

So, either Cho doesn't really have such tremendous people skills and lacks the ability to connect genuinely with people, in which case the Blazers fucked up by incorrectly evaluating those skills when they hired him, or the chemistry problem and lack of communication skills lies with the owner, Mr. Paul Allen. It sounds to me like Cho wasn't willing to kiss Paul Allen's ass and tell him what he wanted to hear, and that appears to be a career limiting move as far as Mr. Allen is concerned.

BNM

 

[THE HCP]

I'm in!

You are perfect. Every summer they have the naive country boy who comes to LA thinking he will pop his cherry! You would get eaten alive on that show! You're in!!!

 

[e_blazer]

Not to get back on topic......

People keep saying we don't know why Cho was fired. Really? The Blazers were pretty clear that it *wasn't* for job performance issues.

So, either the Blazers are liars, or they fired the guy without a *good* reason. Which kinda negates the claim that PA is all about trying to win.

I believe that the reason stated for Cho's dismissal was that Paul Allen wasn't comfortable with him as GM of the Blazers. For a management position like GM of an NBA team, lack of confidence of the owner is the only *good* reason necessary for being fired. If Paul Allen had come to believe that Cho wasn't the man to put the Blazers into contention, I fail to see how that says he's not all about trying to win. I can see how you can be of the opinion that PA gets in the way of the team's best interests, but I don't see any evidence that he doesn't want to win a title.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I can see how you can be of the opinion that PA gets in the way of the team's best interests, but I don't see any evidence that he doesn't want to win a title.

Unfortunately, wanting to win a title and actually doing what it takes to win a title aren't the same things. And as much as Paul Allen wants to win a championship, the moves and decisions he's made over the past year have the team moving in the wrong direction. Either he's hiring the wrong people (his fault), or he's hiring the right people, but not letting them do their job (also his fault). Either way, his decisions are hurting this team's chances to win a championship. I understand that there is no set formula for winning an NBA championship, but one thing I do know is that what Paul Allen is doing now is NOT the right way to bring an NBA championship to Portland. He needs to hire the right person for the job and then step back and let that person do what they were hired to do.

In 10 months Rich Cho went from being "the perfect fit for our organization" to being fired because he was a poor fit. Either way, Paul Allen was 100% wrong 50% of the time, and you don't win championships by winning 50% of the time Yeah, I know that's a totally mixed up analogy, but my point is Paul Allen's recent/current behavior is hurting this teams chance to win a title. The team seems to lack a long term plan and that lack of a plan starts at the top. Playing musical chairs with the GM position doesn't help this team get any closer to winning a championship. In fact, it gets them further away. We are now heading into the second draft in a row without a GM in place. Last years draft was a disaster. When your franchise cornerstones are constantly injured, and you can't attract top free agents, can you really afford to wiff on another draft?

And, given the recent college players we've selected, compared to those we passed on, I don't think turning the draft over to the guy who was in charge college scouting is a good plan. Hell, I think it's a horrible plan. Chad Buchanan has ZERO experience making trades - and if we want to get closer to winning a championship, we need to move up in this draft to get a player that will have an immediate impact. And, who was the last college player we drafted (or obtained in a draft day trade) that actually helped get us closer to winning a championship. I'm pretty sure it was Brandon Roy and unfortunately, that story is not ending well. What exactly has Chad Buchanan done that would inspire any confidence that the team will come out of this draft better than they are going in? Will he do a better job than Cho? Who knows, we never got to see Cho run a draft.

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

I don't disagree with much of anything you said, BNM, but if Cho lost Allen's trust, then he had to go. We can whistle in the wind about PA's quirkiness, but the guy owns the team and doesn't seem inclined to sell it. As long as that's the case, then the best we can hope for is that PA finds a GM that's good and who can keep PA satisfied. Whitsitt and Petrie seemed to be able to do it previously, so I'm hopeful that there's a qualified individual out there who will be the person for the job.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Unfortunately, wanting to win a title and actually doing what it takes to win a title aren't the same things. And as much as Paul Allen wants to win a championship, the moves and decisions he's made over the past year have the team moving in the wrong direction. Either he's hiring the wrong people (his fault), or he's hiring the right people, but not letting them do their job (also his fault). Either way, his decisions are hurting this team's chances to win a championship. I understand that there is no set formula for winning an NBA championship, but one thing I do know is that what Paul Allen is doing now is NOT the right way to bring an NBA championship to Portland. He needs to hire the right person for the job and then step back and let that person do what they were hired to do.

BNM

I disagree. I not sure the Blazers are moving in the wrong irection but the fact they aren't moving up has to do with injuries more than any personel decision.

So you say the the moves he has made in the past year has the team moving in the wrong direction. the moves I see are aquiring Camby, Matthews and Wallace. How does that have the team moving in the wrong direction.

Basically the only moves that didn't make sense to the public was the GM's moves, but that really hasn't hurt the Blazers. I see the arguement about the hurting the draft, but even with KP in place ofr a couple of years he started striking out in the draft. I thought the draft the last several years have sucked . . . with or without a stable GM.

 

[PapaG]

I LOVE THIS PLACE! Have any of you guys watched BigBrother on CBS each summer? We should put 15 of us in a house together and let the cameras roll!

I'd be the goat that everybody would want to bring to the final with them! I'm in!

 

[Shooter]

What Paul Allen is doing now is NOT the right way to bring an NBA championship to Portland. He needs to hire the right person for the job and then step back and let that person do what they were hired to do.

None of us know what Cho was like to work with, or whether he was organized, efficient, disciplined, etc. In other words, Cho may have been screwing up left and right, as far as we know. If that's the case, Allen did the right thing by letting him go--and the organization may actually be better off now than they were for the last year.

 

[THE HCP]

I'd be the goat that everybody would want to bring to the final with them! I'm in!

I'd take you with me FAMS! I get all the votes, but at least you'd make it to the big finale show!