OT Bombing of the USS Liberty

[jonnyboy]

I would not describe Israel as "an unbelievably evil little country... lurking in the background of nearly every horrible event."

Well, I would. Sorry not sorry.

That's just the scheming merchant meme in text form.

The scheming merchant meme is an attack on Jewish people as a people. It suggests they are inherently sheisty in business/domestic dealings and thats really the only context I’ve ever seen it used in. I said nothing of the sort. I criticized the government of a nation. For you to make an antisemitism claim here allows for me to just as easily flip a zionist label onto you, as you are stepping ever so close to the line that conservative Ben Shapiro types walk.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Fearmongering against Israel? Yeah, their hands are as dirty as ours, but what...you want us to be afraid of Jewish people? Yeah, you are right...that's antisemitic.

Bad leaders doesn't mean the people are bad.

Yeesh my guy. Talk about jumping the gun. Anytime there's criticism of Israel we hear it's antisemitic. It's an awful way to stop legitimate discourse.

 

[beast blazer]

It’s interesting that all your criticisms can be boiled down to the most generic, race/sex/gender phobia accusations. What do you think the odds actually are that every argument you’ve ever been in has been with a sexist/racist/misogynist or bigot? Seems the low odds of this don’t really lend themselves to a realistic assessment of the world around you. Yet here you are, day in and day out, fighting the good fight. When the only tool you have is a hammer every, problem must be a nail. And when the only tool you have is an unearned sense of moral superiority, every problem has to be a racist/sexist/nazi, etc.

It's pathetic, but not unexpected, how mind-numbingly stupid the discourse in this thread is. I don't know if it's more stupid to think this isn't relevant because "it happened 60 years ago", or that it's not worth talking about , but it IS worth talking about how it's not worth talking about.

But they have endless energy to talk about every imagined slight that Trump commits.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Well, I would. Sorry not sorry.

The scheming merchant meme is an attack on Jewish people as a people. It suggests they are inherently sheisty in business/domestic dealings and thats really the only context I’ve ever seen it used in. I said nothing of the sort. I criticized the government of a nation. For you to make an antisemitism claim here allows for me to just as easily flip a zionist label onto you, as you are stepping ever so close to the line that conservative Ben Shapiro types walk.

The scheming merchant is everywhere and has been used for just about every antisemitic idea for the last 30 years. If you see anyone using it, you can bet that they think "Jews control the media/Hollywood/world." And that is why what you wrote toes the line. Antisemitism is rooted in the belief that Jews are behind an all powerful secret cabal to ruin the West via communism and degeneracy. Perhaps you didn't mean it, but saying Israel is "evil" and "lurking in the background of every horrible event" is a bit too on the nose.

Besides, if you think you see Israel in the background of horrible events, it's just because it's actually the U.S. you are seeing. Israel is just along for the ride.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

It's pathetic, but not unexpected, how mind-numbingly stupid the discourse in this thread is. I don't know if it's more stupid to think this isn't relevant because "it happened 60 years ago", or that it's not worth talking about , but it IS worth talking about how it's not worth talking about.

But they have endless energy to talk about every imagined slight that Trump commits.

If you want to talk about it, please summarize the video. I am not wasting an hour of my life to Candance Owens.

 

[jonnyboy]

The scheming merchant is everywhere and has been used for just about every antisemitic idea for the last 30 years. If you see anyone using it, you can bet that they think "Jews control the media/Hollywood/world." And that is why what you wrote toes the line. Antisemitism is rooted in the belief that Jews are behind an all powerful secret cabal to ruin the West via communism and degeneracy. Perhaps you didn't mean it, but saying Israel is "evil" and "lurking in the background of every horrible event" is a bit too on the nose.

You seem to know more about the history of the scheming merchant meme than i do, so thats fine I’ll take your word for it. Not really the hill i’m trying to die on. You trying to thread a line between me and antisemitism through some non-associations to a meme I didn’t even use is far fetched at best though. And just plain dishonest at worst.

if you think you see Israel in the background of horrible events, it's just because it's actually the U.S. you are seeing. Israel is just along for the ride.

Interesting theory. It takes some serious blindspots to arrive there though. I guess we disagree on the seating arrangements during the ride-along, but at least we agree on who’s in the car.

 

[beast blazer]

If you want to talk about it, please summarize the video. I am not wasting an hour of my life to Candance Owens.

What do you think all of those letters were above the video?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

What do you think all of those letters were above the video?

What you wrote was of no consequence. Your opinions mixed with a basic summary. Not what I'm looking for.

Here's a more direct question: Why is a right wing political pundit talking for an hour about this incident right now? If you think this is some objective piece of journalism, please just don't respond.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

You seem to know more about the history of the scheming merchant meme than i do, so thats fine I’ll take your word for it. Not really the hill i’m trying to die on. You trying to thread a line between me and antisemitism through some non-associations to a meme I didn’t even use is far fetched at best though. And just plain dishonest at worst.

To come back around to the actual point I was trying to make: it's not exactly what you said, it's how you said it.

I'm not expecting you to be versed in the history of antisemitic propaganda, and if you have been consuming conservative media for any amount of time, you've certainly been exposed to its dogwhistles.

Interesting theory. It takes some serious blindspots to arrive there though. I guess we disagree on the seating arrangements during the ride-along, but at least we agree on who’s in the car.

I'm just not seeing how a small country in the Middle East is pulling the strings on the largest and most powerful empire in the history of civilization, who could wipe said country off the map in a myriad of ways.