OT Bones Jones appreciation Thread

[jlprk]

Another total spin but it's entertaining at the very least.

That's all ya got? He shot your whole attack to pieces, if you didn't notice.

 

[Lanny]

another old story...My good buddy had just gotten back from Nam and brought home a pet python of which he built a very nice glass enclosure in his living room. Needless to say the snake was always a big hit when friends would come over to play poker. He would once in a while take it out for a bit to show lucifer off.
I purchased a rubber 2/3 foot snake I got at a flea market, so I took it to one of the poker parties and when a good buddy came to play the minute he walked through the door I tossed the rubber snake at him
hope he would think it was lucifer. We'll he literally pissed his pants and the lady he had standing behind him ran off to never be seen again.

I peed in my pants once. I was 19 and it was the first time I experienced large caliber bullets whizzing over my head. Pretty damned scary for a kid to endure. Hope it never happens again.

 

[Strenuus]

Personally, I like a fan that looks at the team objectively.

Bones looks at the team objectively (aside from some of the trades lol). Not shocking who doesn't like that he does that, though.

Bones and I have gotten into a couple times, but I respect that he knows a hell of a lot more about basketball than I do. And he's not a dick in person! score!

 

[BonesJones]

Please read this entire post as it gives you plenty of credit for the work you put into this site.

Read your threads Bones. Everyone of them go to the same place. Like i said. These things could all be on one thread. We could call it the Bonejones appreciation and fire Stotts and Olshey thread. Just a thought.

Now to get to why i pick apart your posts and threads.
They are full of blanket generalizations. Constantly saying things like "Need more cutting", "Need more passing", "Stotts just doesn't do that", "Need more easy baskets". Here is one of my favs... " Stotts relies too much on the three ball". "Stotts offense doesn't get guys open looks". Another really good one is "Stotts made Nurkic quit looking for assists because his offense doesn't work that way"

The list can go on and on with the blanket statements and generalizations. There are indeed many. When i read these statements in threads i automatically want to roll my eyes and say "Here we go". Then you will actually put in an awesome amount of work to pull up various videos to show what you are saying is indeed factual. But the fact remains that you are not in the game and you have not heard what Stotts has actually asked his team to do. You also don't seem to ever give any credit at all to the fact that he is trying to do those things against NBA caliber players on NBA teams with NBA coaches trying to stop him from getting "Open shots", "Easy baskets", "Cutting opportunities" and "Assists". The guy also has to deal with the hand he is dealt. That means he might be dealing with things you have no clue about. How do you know on the day that the game was played that a certain video you are using to make your point a certain player wasn't dealing with a nagging injury you have absolutely no clue even exists? Do you take into account the foul trouble that might be effecting a player or rotation he is using? Was one of those players dealing with an acute case of the shits that day? Girlfriends? Wives? How about just plain being human and not paying attention to the coach for a stretch or having a terrible day?

Stotts like all of us is human. He absolutely makes his share of mistakes. I have shook my head more than once at what i watch him try on the court. Sometimes in utter disbelief because to me the decision was obvious but then going WOW as his decision turned out to be the right call. But then in the very same game he boneheads a Time out and loses the game for something stupid. It's called Sports. It's why we watch em.

What i read when i read your comments is someone who forgets that who is reading them isn't an average fan. We here on S2 are not average fans. We are Blazer MANIACS who watch and study the team and the game to a fault. When you say "Stotts offense is stagnant" i want to know exactly how you are coming up with that being you have no clue what he told the team to do. You sound like the John Canzano of S2 to me. You know enough to stimulate the casual fan and can sound knowledgeable in certain circles but here we know basketball better than that.

Now lets get down to REAL nuts and bolts shall we?

The Blazers hired Terry Stotts from Dallas. Terry Stotts was the mind that created the Flex Flow offense that was fundamental for getting Dirk his open looks. The reason he was hired was because of his Offensive mind and the way he could tweak it to fit a mid range needy LaMarcus Aldridge and benefit the type of players the Blazers had. After the decision by Aldridge to leave Stotts had literally Lillard and nothing else to work with. He created what is called the "Rhythm Flow Offense" that they use now and have again had to tweak with the addition of Nurkic. This is and will continue to be a work in progress as Nurkic gets better and hopefully they get a standout SF that can make teams pay for cheating. Guess what? Steve Kerr decided to use the very offense that Terry Stotts created. Not only did he decide to use it but he uses it very well with the players he has available. Guess who also decided to use a form of the very same offense created by Terry Stotts? You guessed it D'Antoni. However Houston didn't have the the same players so Mike decided to put some twists in it also. He can do that when you have a dominant scorer like Harden and a PG like Paul. The Rhythm Flow offense is designed to create open looks through passing and efficient shooting. It also takes advantage of three point shots to keep defenses spread out. You have got to hit those shots when open or it will not create open lanes. Offense in the NBA does not create fast breaks. Defense does. You being a player should know this. So a number of easy baskets and assists come from defense. There is no question Terry Stotts made good on his promise to make this team better on defense. Simply writing that off as the addition of Nurkic is a sham. If the offense had better players it indeed would also be better. So which is it? Better offense you want or Players?

Now that fact is Stotts has actually done fairly well record wise here. He also had a couple of second round visits with little success after that. But like all things NBA there is a time when Coaches and Players run their course and a new direction is needed. That time might be soon as he has been here 6 years. Ramsey was here 10 years. Nate was 7. All the rest were 6 or less. So thinking Stotts will be here more than this contract would be a stretch. Just can't see him getting another contract unless he gets this group into the WCF. Problem i see is i just don't see this group getting to the WCF in time to save Stotts.

Like i said in earlier posts. I have great respect for the effort you put in to make your case. I just would prefer to see you take in account all the positive things that have gone on as well as the possibility you don't have all the information. Now go study the Rhythm and Flex flow offenses so you can see what coach Stotts is trying to do. Then look into what he needs to do that.

You ask me to elaborate on things such as "The offense is stagnant"... stagnant means there's a lack of ball movement, player movement, and/or passing. Why do I need to describe that? What else am I supposed to say? We need more basket cuts. How a that a blanket statement? I've stated for months that we don't dive from the corner when we should. It's not on me to figure out how to get more basket cuts, he's the NBA coach. But I can tell what our offense lacks in comparison with other NBA offenses, and I don't see how it's a blanket statement to point it out. Nurks dip in assists is because we have less off ball movement when he has the ball, and we also dont utilize him as much in the high post/elbow areas, which is where you can best utilize his passing. That's an observation.. What else is there to explain there?

I'm not gonna argue basketball with you in here.

 

[dviss1]

So we have a "Bonesjones appreciation thread" for a guy that made threads that are titled. "I'm so sick and tired of Neil Olshey". "Trade Ideas Thread" (Get rid of Stotts). "Blazer trade ideas from other teams" Thread (even though there was already "Summer upgrades" thread by Scalma. Then there was the "Who should get what job in the Blazers organization when they clean house" thread. "Breaking down every issue i have with the style of play and why Stotts should go" thread. "If you can handle the struggle now..." thread (Again get rid of Stotts and players). Then there is the "Fire and Keep" poll thread... (Again get rid of Olshey and Stotts). "What will Neil say..." thread (another fire Neil and Stotts thread). Then there is the "Not Damian Lillards fault" thread. Again a set up blast on Stotts and or Olshey take your pick? Not only that there were other threads by a couple others that cover pretty much the same talking points. This is why the rest of us say "Vocal Minority" about these issues.

Now all these threads pretty much have one thing in common. Bones doesn't like Stotts. I only went back one week on this. You see where this is going right?
Merge the threads and keep the conversation in one place. Not sure why there is an appreciation thread for a broken record that for all it's merit, has no more validity than someone saying Stotts is doing the best he can with what he has and they are in year 3 of a total rebuild. Now those are FACTS that cannot be denied.

The Blazers lack talent. But have shown an immense amount of Heart. Of course Stotts gets very little credit for the heart his team shows and the willingness those players have to continue to show it. This gets them further than people expect and that raises expectations even further. When they fall short it creates a breeding ground for distress. Expectations are simply an opportunity to create resentments. The process is in place and is working but there are super teams to deal with and the Blazers ain't one of them. Until they are they will be one of the teams that are trying their very best to get better.

Here's my question:

Why the FUCK haven't you complained about @BonesJones until his appreciation thread?

 

[BonesJones]

And he's not a dick in person! score!

Yay!

 

[BonesJones]

Here's my question:

Why the FUCK haven't you complained about @BonesJones until his appreciation thread?

He has, just been subtle about it lol.

 

[kjironman1]

That's all ya got? He shot your whole attack to pieces, if you didn't notice.

Not really but then that's the way you see it so i can deal with that.

 

[kjironman1]

Here's my question:

Why the FUCK haven't you complained about @BonesJones until his appreciation thread?

Good point.

 

[kjironman1]

You ask me to elaborate on things such as "The offense is stagnant"... stagnant means there's a lack of ball movement, player movement, and/or passing. Why do I need to describe that? What else am I supposed to say? We need more basket cuts. How a that a blanket statement? I've stated for months that we don't dive from the corner when we should. It's not on me to figure out how to get more basket cuts, he's the NBA coach. But I can tell what our offense lacks in comparison with other NBA offenses, and I don't see how it's a blanket statement to point it out. Nurks dip in assists is because we have less off ball movement when he has the ball, and we also dont utilize him as much in the high post/elbow areas, which is where you can best utilize his passing. That's an observation.. What else is there to explain there?

I'm not gonna argue basketball with you in here.

Lets put it this way. You don't want to argue basketball with me. It would be a mistake son. Just stick with your blanket statements and over generalizations and be happy with that. I will let it go from now on and just figure you are just another sincere Blazer fan that wants to see the team win. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[kjironman1]

Personally, I like a fan that looks at the team objectively.

Bones looks at the team objectively (aside from some of the trades lol). Not shocking who doesn't like that he does that, though.

Bones and I have gotten into a couple times, but I respect that he knows a hell of a lot more about basketball than I do. And he's not a dick in person! score!

I want him to look objectively also but objectively is looking at the good AND the bad. Not just the bad.
I'm not a dick in person either. but you can't score with me. so there is that.

 

[BonesJones]

Lets put it this way. You don't want to argue basketball with me. It would be a mistake son. Just stick with your blanket statements and over generalizations and be happy with that. I will let it go from now on and just figure you are just another sincere Blazer fan that wants to see the team win. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Haha. These are the type of people that complain about me. You come in here arguing with me, lie about my intentions of threads I've created, said my points are invalid and generalizations (which is false, you just don't want to agree with me and instead, you want to argue). And now I don't want to argue basketball with you? And now you're going to be condescending? You've complained about me arguing with people and now that's all you're trying to do. And I'm not buying into it. I'm not going to.

@riverman would complain about me if I ever made a post like this.

But why don't I want to argue basketball with you? What qualifications do you have that make you more knowledgeable than anyone here?

 

[BonesJones]

I want him to look objectively also but objectively is looking at the good AND the bad. Not just the bad.

I've said that Stotts is good at empowering players into growing into a bigger role than their accustomed to and I've credited him with player development. Is that not being objectively positive? I don't like anything he does scheme-wise, so I'm not going to say anything positive about his schemes and the type of ball we play. Why should I have to lie to make you happy? Better yet.. Why do you care so much that I don't like his schemes? I'm not sitting here trolling and trashing something that I don't know about or that I won't study... I'm not sitting here ignoring context just to trash someone... So what's the problem mate?

 

[kjironman1]

I've said that Stotts is good at empowering players into growing into a bigger role than their accustomed to and I've credited him with player development. Is that not being objectively positive? I don't like anything he does scheme-wise, so I'm not going to say anything positive about his schemes and the type of ball we play. Why should I have to lie to make you happy? Better yet.. Why do you care so much that I don't like his schemes? I'm not sitting here trolling and trashing something that I don't know about or that I won't study... I'm not sitting here ignoring context just to trash someone... So what's the problem mate?

No problem.
You are an awesome Blazer fan and i sincerely believe you honestly just want to see the team win. You contribute greatly to this site and you have for a long time. Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine or anyone else's for that matter. Carry on and keep up the good work. Glad you are so very willing to put out the effort to study to get a valid opinion. And absolutely never lie about something to make anyone happy let alone me.

 

[H.C.]

I don't really have an issue with @BonesJones because he doesn't pretend to be innocent.
It's the posters who pretend to be innocent that I don't have time for.

I don't follow a lot of the drama that goes around on here.
(Shit half the people which alerts show they quote me, I don't even read. Why would I follow others drama?)
But more than a few times I was reading game threads this year.
Only to find posters purposely attempting to bait Torey into an argument. Only to play the victim them self... That was just over the top.

 

[BonesJones]

No problem.
You are an awesome Blazer fan and i sincerely believe you honestly just want to see the team win. You contribute greatly to this site and you have for a long time. Your opinion is every bit as valid as mine or anyone else's for that matter. Carry on and keep up the good work. Glad you are so very willing to put out the effort to study to get a valid opinion. And absolutely never lie about something to make anyone happy let alone me.

Of course I want the team to win, why's that even a question? I dont understand that. You came at me in this thread (and others) at the wrong angle and youve been condescending while trying to discredit me just for sharing an opinion that's different than yours.. I get a ton of heat (and deservedly so) if I ever approach someone like that, so I'd appreciate it if you didn't act like so towards me... Thank you.

 

[BonesJones]

Only to find posters purposely attempting to bait Torey into an argument. Only to play the victim them self... That was just over the top.

Hell, I just had someone trying to bait me in this thread even... "Invalid" statements, "You don't wanna argue basketball with me. It would be a mistake son."... dudes making up false intentions for multiple threads...

I cant take the bait though. I buy into it too much and get too frustrated with it. I'm done biting haha.

 

[kjironman1]

Hell, I just had someone trying to bait me in this thread even... "Invalid" statements, "You don't wanna argue basketball with me. It would be a mistake son."... dudes making up false intentions for multiple threads...

I cant take the bait though. I buy into it too much and get too frustrated with it. I'm done biting haha.

Nobody "BAITED" your ass. I came at you right up fucking front.
Now that shit is sideways bullshit. Call me out straight up or walk.
You obviously are very young son. Grow up.

 

[BonesJones]

Nobody "BAITED" your ass. I came at you right up fucking front.
Now that shit is sideways bullshit. Call me out straight up or walk.
You obviously are very young son. Grow up.

Case. In. Point.

 

[kjironman1]

Case. In. Point.

Play it straight.
I said what i said straight to you.
I not only said what i felt was the problems but i did it courteously.
Now you go all "Someone tried to bait me"?
Nobody anywher tried to bait you.
Nobody anywhere "LIED"about your stances that are well known and recurring in every one of your threads that i brought up.
Now you are trying to play this victim card like someone has done you wrong.
Sad really.

 

[BonesJones]

Play it straight.
I said what i said straight to you.
I not only said what i felt was the problems but i did it courteously.
Now you go all "Someone tried to bait me"?
Nobody anywher tried to bait you.
Nobody anywhere "LIED"about your stances that are well known and recurring in every one of your threads that i brought up.
Now you are trying to play this victim card like someone has done you wrong.
Sad really.

What have I done in this thread that is so egregious? Please state so. I'll state what you've done:

- You came in here just to complain about me once again.
- You've called what I have to say invalid, a broken record, full blanket generalizations, etc.
- You've tried to pass off threads based on trades as being based on me wanting Stotts gone (lie)...
- You got condescending and said that I should avoid arguing basketball with you (when you're coming into this thread to argue) and that it would be a mistake for me. Even added "son" to it.
- Stated you want me to look at the good and the bad, not just the bad, even though I've complimented Stotts on what I find to be positive traits of his coaching...
- Now you've started cussing me out, calling out my youth, and told me to grow up.

And then you want to say you've been courteous and I'm playing the victim card?

 

[dviss1]

Personally @kjironman1, I think it's more than a little fucked up and BUSH LEAGUE to hijack someone's appreciation thread. If you don't appreciate them, stay the FUCK outta the thread.

 

[kjironman1]

What have I done in this thread that is so egregious? Please state so. I'll state what you've done:

- You came in here just to complain about me once again.
- You've called what I have to say invalid, a broken record, full blanket generalizations, etc.
- You've tried to pass off threads based on trades as me wanting Stotts gone (lie)
- You got condescending and said that I should avoid arguing basketball with you (when you're coming into this thread to argue) and that it would be a mistake for me. Even added "son" to it.
- Stated you want me to look at the good and the bad, not just the bad, even though I've complimented Stotts on what I find to be positive traits of his coaching...
- Now you've started cussing me out, calling out my youth, and told me to grow up.

And then you want to say you've been courteous and I'm playing the victim card?

I'm sorry Bones. I'll reach out the olive branch my friend. Maybe i came out a little to forward. I take on things a bit harsh at times.
Like i said above. I have no doubt you are a true Blazer fan that just wants better for the team.
I will try in the future to be a little more gentle in the way i approach your stances.
Again I apologize if you feel i came at you in the wrong way. was not intended to be anything other than pointing out what i felt was very obvious.

 

[kjironman1]

Personally @kjironman1, I think it's more than a little fucked up and BUSH LEAGUE to hijack someone's appreciation thread. If you don't appreciate them, stay the FUCK outta the thread.

Yep. I was wrong in the first place. Should never have even started in on it.

 

[BonesJones]

I'm sorry Bones. I'll reach out the olive branch my friend. Maybe i came out a little to forward. I take on things a bit harsh at times.
Like i said above. I have no doubt you are a true Blazer fan that just wants better for the team.
I will try in the future to be a little more gentle in the way i approach your stances.
Again I apologize if you feel i came at you in the wrong way. was not intended to be anything other than pointing out what i felt was very obvious.

I don't need you to be gentle, just try to listen to what I have to say instead of blowing it off as invalid, generalizations, etc. You've even admitted you can tell when I put a lot of thought into what I post, so I don't understand why it automatically gets passed off as such. I've worked on trying to show a level of respect towards everybody, it just seems like lately I've been getting blasted for fair, thought-out opinions on the state of the team, and I don't get why. I'd be glad to have a basketball discussion, and at worst, agree to disagree. I feel like you've made my dislike for Stotts' coaching into something personal, and I don't understand it. We're getting all wrapped up into what my intentions were for starting threads, instead of discussing basketball. I've even said I'd be glad to discuss how the team could improve their style of play instead of focusing on Stotts, and making it into a more positive discussion...

I'm literally trying to post in such a way that keeps everyone happy, while trying to be more respectful of differences of opinion, and that makes it frustrating when it seems like someone can't respect mine.

Thanks for your apology, and apology accepted. Let's try to keep the discussion fair and respectful and focused on basketball, since we both know what we're talking about and we both have a lot to bring to the table. Sound good?

 

[jlprk]

Hey mods, I have an idea for a thread to while away the empty summer months. One combined appreciation thread for Bones, HCP, and The Ironman. It would be a reeeaaallll barrel of monkeys. Chaos.

Imagine. Poster A praises Bones. So B criticizes A. C says he likes Ironman, and Bones somewhat, but he hates B. So D says he likes HCP and B but not Iron. So Bones gets on and says fuck all of you. Now it's on. They all gang up on Bones, but Z comes in and defends him. So M says the HCP is the best and Z sucks. Get the picture? All summer long. Let's make this board great again and HCP funny again.

 

[kjironman1]

I don't need you to be gentle, just try to listen to what I have to say instead of blowing it off as invalid, generalizations, etc. You've even admitted you can tell when I put a lot of thought into what I post, so I don't understand why it automatically gets passed off as such. I've worked on trying to show a level of respect towards everybody, it just seems like lately I've been getting blasted for fair, thought-out opinions on the state of the team, and I don't get why. I'd be glad to have a basketball discussion, and at worst, agree to disagree. I feel like you've made my dislike for Stotts' coaching into something personal, and I don't understand it. We're getting all wrapped up into what my intentions were for starting threads, instead of discussing basketball. I've even said I'd be glad to discuss how the team could improve their style of play instead of focusing on Stotts, and making it into a more positive discussion...

I'm literally trying to post in such a way that keeps everyone happy, while trying to be more respectful of differences of opinion, and that makes it frustrating when it seems like someone can't respect mine.

Thanks for your apology, and apology accepted. Let's try to keep the discussion fair and respectful and focused on basketball, since we both know what we're talking about and we both have a lot to bring to the table. Sound good?

I get it. I really do.
And yes do keep posting and keep posting what you feel.
Yes that sounds very good.
Smooch????
Aw fuck i just had to do that.....
Take care.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Another total spin but it's entertaining at the very least.

Been fixing my driveway ALL day. How am I spinning something of which I said I'm not sure what you mean?

 

[BonesJones]

Hey mods, I have an idea for a thread to while away the empty summer months. One combined appreciation thread for Bones, HCP, and The Ironman. It would be a reeeaaallll barrel of monkeys. Chaos.

Imagine. Poster A praises Bones. So B criticizes A. C says he likes Ironman, and Bones somewhat, but he hates B. So D says he likes HCP and B but not Iron. So Bones gets on and says fuck all of you. Now it's on. They all gang up on Bones, but Z comes in and defends him. So M says the HCP is the best and Z sucks. Get the picture? All summer long. Let's make this board great again and HCP funny again.

Where is the part where HCP says something kind to me? That would be the most shocking post in the history of the forum.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Personally @kjironman1, I think it's more than a little fucked up and BUSH LEAGUE to hijack someone's appreciation thread. If you don't appreciate them, stay the FUCK outta the thread.

I was gonna say that when it started but I didn't wanna hijack the thread.