Bosh available?

[BrianFromWA]

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Bosh/O'Neal for Gasol/Odom
Rizzle, (or anyone else, for that matter), who says no to this? LA gets something for Odom, and a younger, cheaper, more reliable banger than Gasol. They also now have a 20M expiring for next year.

Colangelo gets closer to building the European Union team in Toronto. Gasol/Bargnani/Moon/Parker/Calderon.

I don't know enough about the Raptors to know, but Bosh/K*be/Bynum (when he gets back) could be a bit more dangerous than Gasol with them would.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

that's debatable given that bosh isn't playing with joel/oden, and that over the last 2 years aldridge has more offensive rebounds in less minutes.



i have. bosh isn't that much better than zach overall and their games are certainly comparable. because he was so hated here it's easy to forget that zach is a pretty damn good 1/1 offensive player and rebounder.

Is Bosh a black hole? Is he a player Roy would ask the team to trade? Doubtful. Randolph doesn't even try on defense, at least Bosh does. Zach is a great low post threat, but he's a #'s guy, is he ever going to be a main guy on a winning playoff team? No, Bosh has.

 

[crowTrobot]

Is Bosh a black hole?

to a lesser extent, yes, and he and zach's assist numbers are comparable.

Randolph doesn't even try on defense, at least Bosh does.

bosh is better but neither is about to make any all-defensive teams.

Zach is a great low post threat, but he's a #'s guy, is he ever going to be a main guy on a winning playoff team? No, Bosh has.

that's largely situational. bosh isn't exactly carrying toronto to the playoffs right now.

 

[B-Roy]

to a lesser extent, yes, and he and zach's assist numbers are comparable.

Bosh is the only option on that team, and PFs aren't supposed to get assists anyways.

He's also averaging 2.4 assists, which is .5 more than Aldridge, so Aldridge must be a black hole too. Yay!

bosh is better but neither is about to make any all-defensive teams.

You don't have to make all-D team to be a good defender. Or a defender who gives effort.

that's largely situational. bosh isn't exactly carrying toronto to the playoffs right now.

He's trying. That team is Bosh/Cald/Injured O'Neal. You can say what you want, but at least Bosh led that garbage team to the playoffs twice already.

 

[crowTrobot]

Bosh is the only option on that team, and PFs aren't supposed to get assists anyways.

He's also averaging 2.4 assists, which is .5 more than Aldridge, so Aldridge must be a black hole too. Yay!

either that or zach isn't really as bad as perceived by most blazer fans.

 

[speeds]

Take him.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

First of all, I really doubt Bosh gets moved. I mean, Steven A. Smith?

But second, if he does, here are two options that the Raptors should be offered and should consider:

1. Amare Stoudamire. He's worn out his welcome in Phoenix, but he did win that (undeserved) first team all-NBA not so long ago. Thing is, Colangelo would know him well - would that make a trade more or less likely?

2. Elton Brand. Philly screwed up in signing him. He doesn't fit their style. But he is signed long-term and thus couldn't flee Canada soon. But are his problems only because of Philly's style, or have his injuries made him a shadow of his former self?

I think Bosh would have to be happy in either of those places, or at least, either would be happy to take the risk that he would stay happy. Phoenix could throw in Barbosa, but I'm not sure what Philly could throw in.

By the way, JFizzleRaider: you still haven't said exactly what's so good about Bosh. And he's listed as an inch shorter than LaMarcus, but you're forgetting that Bosh has a giraffe's neck (he's the anti-Brand). He also weighs less than LaMarcus. LaMarcus can play C if need be. Bosh is closer to a SF than a C. I can't see him doing to Kevin Garnett what Aldridge did last time the Blazers played the Cs.

Now none of this would matter if he was going to be our all-everything (like he is in Toronto) because his sole role would be to score (as it is in Toronto). But if he comes here, his scoring role will diminish considerably, so he better be versatile. Aldridge is certainly that.

 

[rocketeer]

By the way, JFizzleRaider: you still haven't said exactly what's so good about Bosh. And he's listed as an inch shorter than LaMarcus, but you're forgetting that Bosh has a giraffe's neck (he's the anti-Brand). He also weighs less than LaMarcus. LaMarcus can play C if need be. Bosh is closer to a SF than a C. I can't see him doing to Kevin Garnett what Aldridge did last time the Blazers played the Cs.

bosh plays a lot of center for toronto.

and people have multiple times said what's so good about bosh. offensively, he's better than aldridge at everything and bosh also has the ability to be a good defensive player. in toronto, he doesn't really put his defensive skills to use because he's required to carry the offense. this summer in the olympics, since his offense wasn't needed he turned himself into a defensive specialist. he's a definite upgrade over aldridge and if all it took was aldridge/raef to get bosh, portland would be dumb to turn that trade down. if more pieces have to be added in, then it becomes a lot more questionable.

 

[oldmangrouch]

either that or zach isn't really as bad as perceived by most blazer fans.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

bosh plays a lot of center for toronto.

And (the real) Bo Outlaw used to play C for the Clippers, who were also crap.

PLAYING C doesn't mean you SHOULD or are good at it.

Better at everything, eh? I will concede he has very good offensive numbers (shooting %s other than 3% all very good, especially considering how bad his teammates are). But of course, that can also be said of Zach. In the only defensive stats that are really measured (steals and blocks), he's worse than Aldridge. Presumably you would say that's because he conserves energy on defense in Toronto. Maybe. Maybe LaMarcus could put up better numbers if he wasn't getting out of the way of Brandon and Greg. Hard to tell. But I can't believe that Bosh is the equal of LaMarcus at defending either solid (e.g. Boozer) or tall (e.g. Gasol) PFs. And that's a major strike against him.

 

[rocketeer]

And (the real) Bo Outlaw used to play C for the Clippers, who were also crap.

PLAYING C doesn't mean you SHOULD or are good at it.

right, but you were asking if he could play center like aldridge. i was just letting you know that he does.

Better at everything, eh? I will concede he has very good offensive numbers (shooting %s other than 3% all very good, especially considering how bad his teammates are). But of course, that can also be said of Zach.

you can't really say that about zach. bosh's per is 22.41. randolph is 19.45. aldridge is 18.83. zach has a higher usage rate than bosh, but has less assists and more turnovers and is significantly worse shooting the ball.

really, trying to compare bosh to randolph at all is a joke. aldridge is better than randolph. just because bosh has better numbers than aldridge doesn't mean that they are meaningless numbers.

In the only defensive stats that are really measured (steals and blocks), he's worse than Aldridge. Presumably you would say that's because he conserves energy on defense in Toronto. Maybe. Maybe LaMarcus could put up better numbers if he wasn't getting out of the way of Brandon and Greg. Hard to tell. But I can't believe that Bosh is the equal of LaMarcus at defending either solid (e.g. Boozer) or tall (e.g. Gasol) PFs. And that's a major strike against him

bosh would be a better defender in portland than he is in toronto. definitely. it's more questionable whether or not aldridge would be a better offensive player without the guys around him in portland. bosh has shown that even with greater attention from defenses on him that he can score more efficiently than aldridge and more often than aldridge.

 

[Da_O]

According to this: http://sports.theglobeandmail.com/s...ptraps0202/GSStory/GlobeSportsBasketball/home

Bosh didn't say anything. Stephen A. is an idiot.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

While we're playing this game, here's a question: how does Bosh get his points? He's not a back-to-the-basket type, is he? From what I've seen he isolates and faces up and uses his speed to get by his defender. Is that what we want our PF to do? Is it the way to take advantage of our other assets?

 

[rocketeer]

While we're playing this game, here's a question: how does Bosh get his points? He's not a back-to-the-basket type, is he? From what I've seen he isolates and faces up and uses his speed to get by his defender. Is that what we want our PF to do? Is it the way to take advantage of our other assets?

of course, you run into that same problem a lot with aldridge.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

of course, you run into that same problem a lot with aldridge.

A bit, but Aldridge mostly posts up with his back to the basket or takes a long jumper off a pass out.

(And here's another thing that I believe [because I heard Mike Rice say it, I think] Aldridge might be better than Bosh at: offensive rebounding. I think I heard that he's like top 3 in PFs in that. Of course, that might (a) be bullshit, (b) be a result of teams concentrating on Oden, so would be a benefit Bosh would have too, or (c) Bosh might be top 2 or 1, but I'm too lazy to check.)

 

[Natebishop3]

Don't you dare insult the integrity of how I support KG, I'm one of the biggest T-Wolves fan/supporter as well as KG being my favorite player...

Granted I did make the poor assumtion of thinking he meant a Center in regards to "Dominant Big man" in which the Celtic have Perkins, which is far from dominant. In that respect I was wrong.

Please never again assume to think I don't think KG is dominant...as bad as it was to constantly see 'Sota get bumped out of the first round...KG was always one of the top Forwards...he's competitive and a sure-fire Hall of Famer!! Is and will be my favorite!

But no hard feeligns none the less

Hurrikane answered you for me, but ya Garnett was who I was thinking.

 

[rocketeer]

A bit, but Aldridge mostly posts up with his back to the basket or takes a long jumper off a pass out.

(And here's another thing that I believe [because I heard Mike Rice say it, I think] Aldridge might be better than Bosh at: offensive rebounding. I think I heard that he's like top 3 in PFs in that. Of course, that might (a) be bullshit, (b) be a result of teams concentrating on Oden, so would be a benefit Bosh would have too, or (c) Bosh might be top 2 or 1, but I'm too lazy to check.)

aldridge has a very slight advantage over bosh there(0.1 more offensive rebounds in 2 less minutes and with the blazers slower pace). of course bosh is much better on the defensive glass.

 

[RayDavies]

Bosh (with his current contract situation) is not worth Aldridge + ?...
Bosh signed to a big deal for 5 years is worth Aldridge +...

So, this is not a good deal at the current time, unless it is some kind of lowball type situation, which I can't imagine Toronto would accept.

 

[Masbee]

A bit, but Aldridge mostly posts up with his back to the basket or takes a long jumper off a pass out.

(And here's another thing that I believe [because I heard Mike Rice say it, I think] Aldridge might be better than Bosh at: offensive rebounding. I think I heard that he's like top 3 in PFs in that. Of course, that might (a) be bullshit, (b) be a result of teams concentrating on Oden, so would be a benefit Bosh would have too, or (c) Bosh might be top 2 or 1, but I'm too lazy to check.)

Aldridge is a better Offensive Rebounder than Bosh. It is true.

 

[Chutney]

While we're playing this game, here's a question: how does Bosh get his points? He's not a back-to-the-basket type, is he? From what I've seen he isolates and faces up and uses his speed to get by his defender. Is that what we want our PF to do? Is it the way to take advantage of our other assets?

It depends. He's probably better than any other big man at doing that. But right now, a major flaw in his game has arisen in the fact that he takes too long to make a decision when he gets the ball. It stalls the offense and allows defenders to prepare for the inevitable drive to the bucket. The best thing for Bosh's career would involve having a coach that scaled back the number of isolation plays the team ran for him and forced him to adjust to playing more within the flow of a team offense. He developed his game under Sam Mitchell, who absolutely milked the iso off the pick-and-roll, and I believe it prevented him from truly diversifying/developing his offensive skillset, and improving his B-ball IQ.

That said, I don't think there was any credibility to this rumour in the first place. There's certainly a possibility that Bosh isn't with Toronto in the foreseeable future, but I don't see it happening before this season ends.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Personally I wouldn't be in favor of adding Bosh. People undervalue Aldridge's defense. Lamarcus has improved upon this part of his game each season. He's quickly becoming one of the better all-around defensive big men. Plus, his toughness (yep, I said it, he's no softie!) is exactly what our team needs.

His offensive game isn't nearly what Bosh's is, but LA is a year younger and still developing, so he's also not nearly as close to his ceiling as Bosh is.

And Lamarcus fits great chemistry-wise with this team.

This team probably needs to make a move to be more successful this season or next, but this isn't the move they'd need to make.