Bosh will not be back in Toronto. He'll shop a sign and trade.

[Sug]

As a Raptor fan i would love either one of these trades (Bynum is the other, MUCH better than Aldrige+whatever). However the problem is that since this is a sign and trade, Bosh also needs to agree. I dont think he would really want to go to GS and i don't know if there would be enough balls to go around in LA with Bosh there.

Bynum is better than LMA? Hmmm

 

[BigVolcano]

Bynum is better than LMA? Hmmm

Yes? Imagine a a front line of LMA and Il Mago (the player). Would love the defense, rebounding, and post scoring. Bynum would be a perfect compliment to make up for all that Bargnani lacks, the kind of center we should have gotten to play with Bosh. LMA, I admit that i haven't seen him play that much but judging by the way you guys talk about him, he looks like a worse Bosh.

 

[Denny Crane]

Basing your off-season scenario on a rumour that's clearly not going to happen, since it makes zero sense for Cleveland, isn't exactly sound.



Just like Cleveland would be better off letting James walk or dealing him to another team (with cap space) for nothing but draft picks, rather than chaining themselves to the Deng contract, Atlanta would be doubly better off letting Johnson walk (or trading him to a team with cap space for a TPE/draft picks) rather than taking on Hinrich. As disappointing as Hinrich was the couple of seasons before this one, he got even worse this year.

I understand the desire to deal only your "garbage" (relatively speaking; I think Deng is decent, but compared to LeBron James...) for quality, but it never works that way.

http://sportstwo.com/threads/159375...Bulls-thread?p=2336461&viewfull=1#post2336461

 

[Minstrel]

http://sportstwo.com/threads/159375...Bulls-thread?p=2336461&viewfull=1#post2336461

The only part of that relevant to your "off-season plan" was this:

Or, he could agree to a sign-and-trade deal, with Cleveland technically re-signing him -- for six years and $125.5 million, as the Cavaliers can add another year to the deal, with annual increases of 10.5 percent instead of eight percent -- and then trading him to Chicago for players and draft picks. Under this scenario, Cleveland could send James and, say, Delonte West, to Chicago for forward Luol Deng, guard Kirk Hinrich and the rights to the Bulls' first-round pick.

Which is a fine job of doing the salary math but misses one slightly important point: Cleveland has zero motivation to do this. They'd be better off trading him to another team he's okay with, that has cap space, for just draft picks. Deng is a decent player, Hinrich has devolved into crap...the money paid to them makes them net negatives to a Cleveland team that would have to completely rebuild once they lost James.

 

[Denny Crane]

The only part of that relevant to your "off-season plan" was this:



Which is a fine job of doing the salary math but misses one slightly important point: Cleveland has zero motivation to do this. They'd be better off trading him to another team he's okay with, that has cap space, for just draft picks. Deng is a decent player, Hinrich has devolved into crap...the money paid to them makes them net negatives to a Cleveland team that would have to completely rebuild once they lost James.

Cleveland has a choice, assuming LeBron wants to go to Chicago. They can let him walk and get nothing (but cap space) in return, or they can facilitate a S&T so LeBron can have the biggest contract possible while getting something in return.

LeBron holds all the cards - he can only be part of a S&T deal if he chooses to allow it. He's free to sign with the Bulls, leaving Cleveland nothing.

Cleveland has no choice in where LeBron goes, other than to make the case to LeBron to stay.

Deng is no slouch. According to Yahoo's sortable stats, Deng is #7 in the league in scoring among players who played F:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=GF,SF,PF,F&conference=NBA&year=postseason_2009
26th in rebounding

He just turned 25.

Let's put your theory to a little test. Assuming they let LeBron walk for nothing, exactly who are they going to get with the (not enough to sign a max contract) cap space who's as good or better than Deng?

 

[Minstrel]

Cleveland has a choice, assuming LeBron wants to go to Chicago. They can let him walk and get nothing (but cap space) in return, or they can facilitate a S&T so LeBron can have the biggest contract possible while getting something in return.

LeBron holds all the cards - he can only be part of a S&T deal if he chooses to allow it. He's free to sign with the Bulls, leaving Cleveland nothing.

He has complete control over where he goes if he wants it, but he doesn't hold all the cards. If he wants the maximum he can earn, he has to work with Cleveland to some extent. If he walks and signs somewhere on his own, he costs himself millions. I already allowed for the fact that Cleveland would have to trade him somewhere he's willing to go...but as of now, there are various places that he'd probably be amenable to.

Let's put your theory to a little test. Assuming they let LeBron walk for nothing, exactly who are they going to get with the (not enough to sign a max contract) cap space who's as good or better than Deng?

No one immediately. The point is, the worst situation for a rebuilding team is to be loaded up with contracts for players who make you mediocre. You're not bad enough to get high draft picks, you're not good enough to contend and you have no financial flexibility. Adding two very overpaid players isn't a good thing for a team that's going to entering a rebuilding phase. I already said Deng is "no slouch"...he's just very overpaid as it appears the potential he showed in 2006-07 is not going to flourish into stardom. An 18 PER player at age 21 is exciting. A 16 PER player at 25 is slightly better than Rudy Fernandez.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Of the teams that have been thrown around offering trades for Bosh, I really like Houston's chances. They have Jordan Hill that is still on a rookie contract, Luis Scola available via S&T, picks from NY, and the ending contracts of JJ and Battier. He is from Texas, would have a nice supporting cast, and could share the spotlight with Ming.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Of the teams that have been thrown around offering trades for Bosh, I really like Houston's chances. They have Jordan Hill that is still on a rookie contract, Luis Scola available via S&T, picks from NY, and the ending contracts of JJ and Battier. He is from Texas, would have a nice supporting cast, and could share the spotlight with Ming.

Another thing is that he would make more in Texas because there is no state tax. He could really push for a trade somewhere like that.

 

[RR7]

Of the teams that have been thrown around offering trades for Bosh, I really like Houston's chances. They have Jordan Hill that is still on a rookie contract, Luis Scola available via S&T, picks from NY, and the ending contracts of JJ and Battier. He is from Texas, would have a nice supporting cast, and could share the spotlight with Ming.

For the same reason LMA doesn't, that one makes no sense, in my opinion. Bargs is more of a PF. So they trade their PF, to be able to move Bargs to PF for...2 PFs in Scola and Hill? I don't get it. I think the rumor of us and Houston looking at 3 or 4 is because they told us they want Cousins to play C alongside Bargs.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

For the same reason LMA doesn't, that one makes no sense, in my opinion. Bargs is more of a PF. So they trade their PF, to be able to move Bargs to PF for...2 PFs in Scola and Hill? I don't get it. I think the rumor of us and Houston looking at 3 or 4 is because they told us they want Cousins to play C alongside Bargs.

I was just speaking in terms of tradable assets. It would be easier for the Rockets to find a third team to give Toronto what they want and the reasons I think Bosh would like Houston.

Think the #3 or 4 is too high of a price to pay for a S&T Bosh though. There are other options available in Boozer and Amare along with true franchise players Lebron and Wade.

 

[STOMP]

Cleveland has zero motivation to do this. They'd be better off trading him to another team he's okay with, that has cap space, for just draft picks. Deng is a decent player, Hinrich has devolved into crap...the money paid to them makes them net negatives to a Cleveland team that would have to completely rebuild once they delivered James...

...to their division rival (addition in bold).

I'd think Cleveland would rather James end up just about anywhere else

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