Brandon Roy vs Damian lillard

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Biggest difference between the two. You could stop Portland, by taking the ball out of Roy's hands and force the other wings to set up the offense. Roy just wasn't as good with playing without the ball. Lillard, on the other hand, seems like he can iso, play off the ball and run great pick and roll games.

I love Roy, but Lillard will eventually have a much better career.
 
MickZagger said:
Oh, well that I don't agree with. I think if Lillard works on just a couple things and in a couple years he will be better than Roy was.
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This I agree with ... but he's not nearly as efficient as Roy was when B-Roy was in his prime. Brandon played at a near MVP level that one year when he was at his peak.
 
blue9 said:
Agreed. And it might be next season.
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I'm not saying it can't happen, but I think people are forgetting how good Roy was.

For example, in his 3rd season, he posted a PER of 24.0. There are only 7 players better than that this season.

Roy's 3rd season he posted a WS/48 of 0.223. That puts him 4th in the league this year.

If we assume advanced stats are a reasonable proxy for league ranking, Lillard would have to be a top 7-8 player next year to have a better season than Roy ever had.
 
magnifier661 said:
Biggest difference between the two. You could stop Portland, by taking the ball out of Roy's hands and force the other wings to set up the offense. Roy just wasn't as good with playing without the ball. Lillard, on the other hand, seems like he can iso, play off the ball and run great pick and roll games.

I love Roy, but Lillard will eventually have a much better career.
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That's tough to say with Nate's offense, though. Had Batum played 3, 4 years ago like he has this year, getting 5 assists per game, it'd make playing off the ball easier for Roy. When Steve Blake is controlling it when you're off the ball, of course he won't be as good.
 
Here's the thing; we will never know how good Roy could have been because of his injuries and because of Nate McMillan. He had a terrible offensive coach for his career, and I wonder how good Roy would have been in our current system.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Here's the thing; we will never know how good Roy could have been because of his injuries and because of Nate McMillan. He had a terrible offensive coach for his career, and I wonder how good Roy would have been in our current system.
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He had a coach ideal for him, it would seem, just nobody else.
 
RR7 said:
He had a coach ideal for him, it would seem, just nobody else.
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I don't agree. I think Nate built his offense around Roy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was ideal. Roy was perfectly capable of playing off the ball, he just didn't want to and McMillan never challenged him to play outside his comfort zone. I never thought that the Roy iso was that great. Teams knew it was coming and the good teams could defend it rather easily.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't agree. I think Nate built his offense around Roy, but that doesn't necessarily mean it was ideal. Roy was perfectly capable of playing off the ball, he just didn't want to and McMillan never challenged him to play outside his comfort zone. I never thought that the Roy iso was that great. Teams knew it was coming and the good teams could defend it rather easily.
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What was playing off the ball and taking the ball out of his hands going to do to benefit him, though? Less shots/scoring opportunities?
 
Roy had the advantage that the coach and team acknowledged that he was the best player on the team.

If Lillard get this sort of treatment I suspect he can be as good or better than Roy. Buttttttttttttt, he will
have to show that he can end games like Roy and get superstar calls (which took Roy several years to get).

Right now the coach/team/fans pay lip service to LeMarcus. Hopefully LMA will be able to acknowledge that
Lillard is the team leader/best player. If he can't do that by the middle of next year, he'll need to be traded.
 
Let's see lillard crack .450 and a 20 per before we crown his ass
 
Why pick one over the other? They both were/are pretty special players at a time when this team could use one.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why pick one over the other? They both were/are pretty special players at a time when this team could use one.
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Wasn't trying to pick one over the other........ just thought that graphic put what Dame is doing into perspective.
 
HCP said:
Wasn't trying to pick one over the other........ just thought that graphic put what Dame is doing into perspective.
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Did I say you? Don't piss me off, fat boy. I know where you work!

(Actually I enjoyed your graphic. Very interesting and it does show just how special Lillard's first NBA season has been.)
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Did I say you? Don't piss me off, fat boy. I know where you work!

(Actually I enjoyed your graphic. Very interesting and it does show just how special Lillard's first NBA season has been.)
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I told you before that I have big bones!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why pick one over the other? They both were/are pretty special players at a time when this team could use one.
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If fans didn't enjoy hypothetical discussions, you'd be out of a job, internet forum moderator.
 
3RA1N1AC said:
Let's see lillard crack .450 and a 20 per before we crown his ass
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Cool, but let's see wait until LeMarcus consistently takes over in the 4th quarter before we crown HIS ass. Too late, he doesn't but he's been crowned already.

I'm not actually putting the guy down, he's simply not a first option. Lillard will probably keep improving and will become just that.
 
HCP said:
Interesting read

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...tter-inaugural-season-than-kyrie-irvings-2012
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Irving vs. Lillard is interesting. They are two different types of players. Bleacherreport likes Irving a bit better, which is reasonable. I have nothing bad to say about Irving - Jordanesque, but with class.

However.... Irving's out for 3 weeks, and they may shut him down for the season. If they do, he'll have played 51 games in year 1, and 49 games in year 2. Lillard has already played 62 games this season (and still going) while averaging a ridiculous 38.5 mpg.

Maybe we should be comparing Irving to Roy :)
 
@Dame_Lillard's scoring average is now up to a clean 19.0 ppg (with 6.4 apg & 3.2 rpg). He's the only Blazer to play in all 63 games.
 
B-Roy said:
Woah woah woah. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. Roy in 08-09 was a consensus top 10 player in the league. Lillard is good but he has a long way to go.
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How you feel now about it? Bump
 
Kind of think if Roy didn't have health issues he would have eventually become an MVP. Lillard may as well at some point?
 
kjironman1 said:
Kind of think if Roy didn't have health issues he would have eventually become an MVP. Lillard may as well at some point?
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What would have been interesting is if Roy was able to stay healthy, we could of had a Lillard/ Roy backcourt.
 
CupWizier said:
What would have been interesting is if Roy was able to stay healthy, we could of had a Lillard/ Roy backcourt.
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Not necessarily, because we wouldn't've had a high enough pick. A closer alternate reality is the one where we have a Chris Paul/Brandon Roy backcourt.
 
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