Brandon Roy

[maxiep]

So Kobe is clearly a talent that helps teams win a lot.

Plenty of players are "talent that helps teams win a lot". However, there are a select few that can lead you to a championship. David Robinson was the former; Tim Duncan was the latter. Kobe hasn't shown he's the latter.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Isn't that like a boorish New Yorker to call All-Star Brandon Roy "That Guy", like he was Chris Duhon on something.

Learn his name Knicks fan - That Guy is going to crush your team for years.

Only twice a year, unless they get 3 miracles and get to the Finals.

But it would be sweet to Crush the Knicks a few times for a champrionship.

 

[rocketeer]

Nope. Kobe helped, but time has proven that Kobe needed Shaq and Shaq didn't need Kobe.

so if the lakers win the title this year would that be time proving that kobe didn't need shaq?

 

[crandc]

Isn't that like a boorish New Yorker to call All-Star Brandon Roy "That Guy", like he was Chris Duhon on something.

Learn his name Knicks fan - That Guy is going to crush your team for years.

Is that maybe the same as "That one"?

 

[Da_O]

Kobe is better now than he was in the Lakers first championship year. He's about the same as the Kobe of the next two years. Kobe isn't at his peak right now, either. By PER, there's not a lot of difference and I'd say there's not a lot of difference defensively, either.

Statistics, Law of averages, and my eyes would say otherwise.

 

[maxiep]

so if the lakers win the title this year would that be time proving that kobe didn't need shaq?

What if Phoenix wins the title?

 

[RR7]

Can we shift the Laker discussion over to another topic, or does it have to fill up all of the threads on our board?

 

[Minstrel]

Plenty of players are "talent that helps teams win a lot". However, there are a select few that can lead you to a championship. David Robinson was the former; Tim Duncan was the latter. Kobe hasn't shown he's the latter.

Too simple a statement to have much meaning, since the quality of teammates around one and the quality of competition for the championship are massive and unaccounted-for variables. Garnett was claimed to be "the former." Then he lands with a team that has actual talent around him and now he's considered "the latter."

Shaq has shown he can't win without an elite perimeter teammate. Kobe led the Lakers to the Finals last year without a superstar teammate and he's leading the title favourite this year, again without a superstar teammate.

 

[rocketeer]

What if Phoenix wins the title?

good job answering my question.

 

[Stevenson]

My favorite things about Brandon:

1. His poise. I even heard a story today that in a recent game where we were losing, McMillan was getting upset and frustrated. Then he heard Brandon at the end of the bench telling the guys "we're OK, we're just missing some shots. No problem." Nate said that he then relaxed too, stating "if Brandon says we're OK, then we are OK." Roy even calms down the coach!


2. His ability to get to the rack at will, anytime, whenever he wants. I've never seen a player do it so easily and consistently.

He reminds me of Jerry West.

 

[Shooter]

2. His ability to get to the rack at will, anytime, whenever he wants. I've never seen a player do it so easily and consistently.

He sure demonstrated that tonight in the fourth quarter. The guy is simply unstoppable.

 

[KingSpeed]

anyone who actually watched the lakers from 00 to 02 knows that they wouldn't have won without kobe

 

[MrJayremmie]

But Kobe also shot the Lakers out of a 4th title vs the Pistons w/ that great team around him. He REALLY wanted to be the man, and the first option, and wouldn't settle for anything less.

He is much different now I believe. Even though he isn't at his peak of bball skill (05-06 imo) he is still in his prime, but his mentality is different and much better, which I think makes hima better overall bball player.

 

[andalusian]

anyone who actually watched the lakers from 00 to 02 knows that they wouldn't have won without kobe

I really disagree. The Lakers had a wrecking ball in Shaq in his prime and Jackson is a smart enough coach to have found a way to win with him and another good SG in the line-up. Was Kobe good as a 2nd Banana next to Shaq in his prime? No doubt - they won these championships after all - but Kobe was not the reason and substituting him for someone like Ray Allen would not have changed the outcome. Shaq was a force that no one had an answer to, period.