Breaking Bad.....The End

[Run BJM]

He basically told them, but he didn't come right out and say anything concrete. Also the boxes of evidence at Hanks house are not concrete either or Hank would have just arrested him. I'm sure the Feds know he did some bad shit but weather or not they can pin it on him and make him a wanted man by the season finale is another story.

Seems like all of the evidence plus Walt's phone call and if Skyler starts talking should be enough no? And Jesse made a confession tape with Walt and Gomie, does Marie know about it? Even if they're not sure they can convict I think they know enough to label him a highly dangerous suspect and put a manhunt out for him.

 

[crowTrobot]

Before last episode I would have agreed with you. However with Hank getting killed and Walt telling Jessie about Jane, I don't see that relationship being mended at all ever.

I wasn't saying the relationship will be mended. I think it's likely Walt will in some way sacrifice himself for Jesse, just as he did for Skylar with the phone call. I think there will be some sort of parallel there.

Also I disagree that the gang was just handling business in Walt's eyes. Once they ignored his order to stand down, ignored his order not to kill Hank, and took 6/7 his money they are obviously the #1 targets now.

Your scenario feels like to much of a happy ending that most people hope for in movies

Not at all, but I think all the guilt Jesse has been punishing himself with indicates he will live, and I think being saved somehow by Walt is the most likely scenario. I think Skylar, Flynn, and Marie are all more likely to die than Jesse.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Seems like all of the evidence plus Walt's phone call and if Skyler starts talking should be enough no? And Jesse made a confession tape with Walt and Gomie, does Marie know about it? Even if they're not sure they can convict I think they know enough to label him a highly dangerous suspect and put a manhunt out for him.

Why would Skylar start talking and what would she talk about? She doesn't know anything, remember?

 

[donkiez]

Seems like all of the evidence plus Walt's phone call and if Skyler starts talking should be enough no? And Jesse made a confession tape with Walt and Gomie, does Marie know about it? Even if they're not sure they can convict I think they know enough to label him a highly dangerous suspect and put a manhunt out for him.

Ok you convinced me. I'm going with full on man hunt now. We shall see tomorrow though!

 

[donkiez]

I wasn't saying the relationship will be mended. I think it's likely Walt will in some way sacrifice himself for Jesse, just as he did for Skylar with the phone call. I think there will be some sort of parallel there.

Also I disagree that the gang was just handling business in Walt's eyes. Once they ignored his order to stand down, ignored his order not to kill Hank, and took 6/7 his money they are obviously the #1 targets now.

Put that way I could see those both happening that way. I still don't expect that but I'll add it to my mental list of possibilities.

 

[Run BJM]

Why would Skylar start talking and what would she talk about? She doesn't know anything, remember?

She's seen the money, she's been laundering it too. Of course she has no idea where it is now. Dunno if she can prove that Walt killed Gus but he essentially told her he did. Walt also may have told her that they put a hit on Jesse, since she was pushing for it, and Marie knows Jesse was with Hank at their home in the days leading to both of their disappearances. Why would she? Well it seemed she finally turned on Walt with the knife struggle, and although she seemed grateful during his phone call with the police listening, I would think they still require her cooperation if she wants to get off. Walt's phone call framed the situation like she had a pretty good idea of what was going on, even if she didn't know all of the details.

Oh by the way, there's also Marie who's likely talking to the police now. She knows that Walt is Heisenberg via Hank, and she knows Skylar and Walt made the tape to discredit her and Hank. She was there for the taping of Jesse's confession right?

That said, Walt has never explicitly stated that he killed Gus or Hank, just alluded to it. Not sure if they're lacking hard evidence to convict WW but like I said I would think there's plenty to justify the authorities trying to take Walt into custody at least.

 

[THE HCP]

Just watched tonight's! Not much action, but definitely setting up the finale. I liked how they tied up some loose ends on the whole Mr. Lambert situation. Can't wait for next Sunday!


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[speeds]

Todd has become the most fascinating character. He is spectacular. So many facets.

-- doe-eyed, smiling, polite, sentimental, boyish, impressionable?, shows fleeting hints of remorse, impersonal/not vindictive
-- ice cold, pragmatic, unwavering, a Keyser Soze level of discipline
-- won't stop cooking even with Walt's millions in hand--is he an agent of chaos? is he a psychopath? what's his goal?
-- comes off as simple but tends to make good, brutal decisions without hesitation, knows how to stay on track
-- looks for validation and friendship in difficult or impossible situations
-- future crime lord or just a leaf in the wind?

 

[magnifier661]

Todd has become the most fascinating character. He is spectacular. So many facets.

-- doe-eyed, smiling, polite, sentimental, boyish, impressionable?, shows fleeting hints of remorse, impersonal/not vindictive
-- ice cold, pragmatic, unwavering, a Keyser Soze level of discipline
-- won't stop cooking even with Walt's millions in hand--is he an agent of chaos? is he a psychopath? what's his goal?
-- comes off as simple but tends to make good, brutal decisions without hesitation, knows how to stay on track
-- looks for validation and friendship in difficult or impossible situations
-- future crime lord or just a leaf in the wind?

Yeah he has turned out to be a very interesting character. He has a lot of Heisnenberg in him. The only difference is he is more "cold blooded" the true super villain!

 

[magnifier661]

This episode was a little meh in terms of action, but I can see how everything is unfolding now. Walt's old partner; saying those things about Walt playing a small part in the form of the company brings a new light on the possible receiver of the poison. I think Walt's pride will get the better of him and he's going to take that person out.

 

[speeds]

I hope that isn't the case. Too out of the blue. I think it's just the motivation he needed after being smashed by Flynn. He was ready to quit and that interview got him up off his ass and on his way to the Nazi camp for revenge.

 

[magnifier661]

I hope that isn't the case. Too out of the blue. I think it's just the motivation he needed after being smashed by Flynn. He was ready to quit and that interview got him up off his ass and on his way to the Nazi camp for revenge.

Don't know man. The way Walt reacts to anyone fucking with his pride; I wouldn't be surprised if we have some sort of "Godfather" ending; where a bunch of people die simultaneously.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The most important thing for Walt from that interview was finding out that Heisenberg quality blue meth was still being sold.

 

[magnifier661]

The most important thing for Walt from that interview was finding out that Heisenberg quality blue meth was still being sold.

Good eye!!!!!! Oh shit, I totally missed that man! He knows that Jesse is still alive!

 

[PapaG]

I hope that isn't the case. Too out of the blue. I think it's just the motivation he needed after being smashed by Flynn. He was ready to quit and that interview got him up off his ass and on his way to the Nazi camp for revenge.

I think what set Heisenberg on fire was when he heard that the 'blue' meth was back on the streets. He knows there is only one way for that to happen ... Pinkman is still alive.

 

[PapaG]

The most important thing for Walt from that interview was finding out that Heisenberg quality blue meth was still being sold.

Didn't see your post first, but I caught that, too, and thought that was why he didn't give himself up.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Good eye!!!!!! Oh shit, I totally missed that man! He knows that Jesse is still alive!

What is he going to do when he finds him?!?! That might be what I'm looking forward to most right now.. until I think of something else.

 

[magnifier661]

What is he going to do when he finds him?!?! That might be what I'm looking forward to most right now.. until I think of something else.

He lost his family. I think he kills the white supremacist gang and rescues Jesse. They leave and become one. I think Jesse always wanted a dad and Walt will be one for him.

 

[Nate4Prez]

He lost his family. I think he kills the white supremacist gang and rescues Jesse. They leave and become one. I think Jesse always wanted a dad and Walt will be one for him.

No way Jesse and Walt reconcile their differences.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

He lost his family. I think he kills the white supremacist gang and rescues Jesse. They leave and become one. I think Jesse always wanted a dad and Walt will be one for him.

No way Jesse and Walt reconcile their differences.

Yeah I don't see how Walt could forgive Jesse since Walt obviously blames him for all of this shit going down. I can't imagine it, but I hope Vince Gilligan could somehow..

 

[speeds]

Walt telling Jesse about Jane was the end of their relationship. He blames Jesse for Hank's death as much as he does Jack, it seems. Jesse has no love left for him either, obviously. Could finish on a standoff between those two.

Regarding the blue meth and Grey Matter--hubris is the motivator bringing Walt back to Albuquerque (or Heisenberg, rather). That and the fact he's dying and wants to go out like Scarface, a film the series not so subtly referenced earlier.

Also saw an interesting theory online that you may or may not want to read regarding the ricin and who it might be for:

Lydia, who could have it put in her tea in place of the stevia she uses (the show's pointed this out to us at least twice)

 

[Da Bears Oregon]

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[Run BJM]

Regarding the blue meth and Grey Matter--hubris is the motivator bringing Walt back to Albuquerque (or Heisenberg, rather). That and the fact he's dying and wants to go out like Scarface, a film the series not so subtly referenced earlier.

The interview with the Schwartz's is genius. There's a huge parallel with whats happening to Walt's empire and what happened to him with Gray Matter. He never got any credit or money out of Gray Matter, and hes seeing the same thing happening with his meth empire. We know that the interview got him paying attention, but we don't know what hes going after now. Vengeance on the Schwartz's? Seems sort of far fetched, but I wouldn't be that surprised. Revenge on the Nazis seems obvious and he suggested that he'll go after them when he spoke with Saul in the last episode. He doesn't know where their base is though right? I think hes smart enough to figure out that Jesse is alive, but is he motivated to find him and is it to save him or kill him?

Walt knows hes done for. He has nothing left besides his pride. He wants to go get some vengeance and at least show the world that Walter White didn't go down without a fight. But wouldn't Skylar benefit from Walt turning himself in? She's taking it up the ass from the feds because she can't give them Walt. If Walt shows up and takes the heat she should have a decent shot at getting off, or at least it would make life easier for her and the kids. Walt's journey has been feueled by his own selfishness since he cracked the ~$700k and change he initially wanted to leave for his family. It looked like he was about to finally give up and turn himself in, but the interview changed his mind. Can't wait to see what he does.

How fucking badass was the theme song in that last scene though? And the whiskey glass half full...

 

[PapaG]

The interview with the Schwartz's is genius. There's a huge parallel with whats happening to Walt's empire and what happened to him with Gray Matter. He never got any credit or money out of Gray Matter, and hes seeing the same thing happening with his meth empire. We know that the interview got him paying attention, but we don't know what hes going after now. Vengeance on the Schwartz's? Seems sort of far fetched, but I wouldn't be that surprised. Revenge on the Nazis seems obvious and he suggested that he'll go after them when he spoke with Saul in the last episode. He doesn't know where their base is though right? I think hes smart enough to figure out that Jesse is alive, but is he motivated to find him and is it to save him or kill him?

Walt knows hes done for. He has nothing left besides his pride. He wants to go get some vengeance and at least show the world that Walter White didn't go down without a fight. But wouldn't Skylar benefit from Walt turning himself in? She's taking it up the ass from the feds because she can't give them Walt. If Walt shows up and takes the heat she should have a decent shot at getting off, or at least it would make life easier for her and the kids. Walt's journey has been feueled by his own selfishness since he cracked the ~$700k and change he initially wanted to leave for his family. It looked like he was about to finally give up and turn himself in, but the interview changed his mind. Can't wait to see what he does.

How fucking badass was the theme song in that last scene though? And the whiskey glass half full...

That's a repped take that I hadn't considered. I thought Walt got pissed because he figured out that Pinkman was making blue meth. I didn't think that Pinkman doesn't really matter at this point, and that it's more about credit that he deserves. He basically built Gray Matter, just as he perfected the blue meth using an ingredient that didn't contain over the counter pills.

 

[Run BJM]

That's a repped take that I hadn't considered. I thought Walt got pissed because he figured out that Pinkman was making blue meth. I didn't think that Pinkman doesn't really matter at this point, and that it's more about credit that he deserves. He basically built Gray Matter, just as he perfected the blue meth using an ingredient that didn't contain over the counter pills.

Admittedly, I got it from reddit, but at least give me credit for this post not too long ago:

Also I think one of the most overlooked aspect of Walter White is his basically being screwed out of all the money his college friends made from his work. I don't think he's inherently evil. In this most recent ep we see him sell Jesse up the river like we never would have imagined, yet at the same time he tries to exchange his entire fortune for Hank's life, he finally takes the blame while the police listen to absolve his wife of wrongdoing, he realizes he needs to give Holly back. This season we see Marie thinking up ways to kill Walter, Skylar lobbying to kill Jesse, and Hank perfectly fine with sending Jesse to his death during the planned meeting with Walt. But Walt continues to try like hell to save Hank and Jesse, ultimately only ok'ing the Jesse hit after Jesse goes off the deep end and threatens his family. My point being, I don't think Walt does what he does because he was born evil. He views his empire as the culmination of his hard work and genius. Hes finally successful at 50 years old and all of the resentment hes been telling himself hes letting go of over the years being a high school chemistry teacher is surfaces as a result of finally being successful.It matters less now because he lost his empire AND his family, but I think this was much more of a driving force in his decision making than simply being an evil piece of shiet. And this past episode really reminded me that he actually does still draw the line morally over certain things. Its just gotten to the point where hes lost all control of whats going on.[/COLOR]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think Saul is going to get killed, that's why his new show is going to be a prequel and not a sequel.

I want credit for this post, while Saul isn't dead being a manager at a Cinnabon is almost as bad.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

That's a repped take that I hadn't considered. I thought Walt got pissed because he figured out that Pinkman was making blue meth. I didn't think that Pinkman doesn't really matter at this point, and that it's more about credit that he deserves. He basically built Gray Matter, just as he perfected the blue meth using an ingredient that didn't contain over the counter pills.

But when they were talking about the blue meth, they were talking about Walter White possibly still being out there making it. So he kind of was getting the credit. I don't know, I just don't see that parallel much.

 

[MARIS61]

Never seen it.

Sounds like a real downer.

 

[THE HCP]

Never seen it.

Sounds like a real downer.

Never seen what? Breaking Bad?

Wow, I envy you. I would love to have 5 seasons ahead of me to watch. Absolute classic television show, brilliant, one of the bests.

 

[THE HCP]

As far as that Charlie Rose scene. I think what triggered Walt was hearing the Blue was still on the street. So he knows Jessie was still alive cooking. I think the Grey Matter people claiming he did nothing but help create the name really pissed him off.

He has always felt like a father figure to Jessie......so he is heading back to help break him out. The M-60 is for the Nazis, the Ricen is for Lydia's tea. My guess is he frees Jessie and Jessie turns around and kills Walt in the last scene.

At one point I thought the Ricen was for Walt himself..... but who knows.