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There's not much difference between Russian Intelligence service and the Russian mob....pretty blurred line....given the time they've had to cover this up, I imagine the main evidence is long gone by now.....amazing how fast a billionaire can make stuff go away
 
Denny Crane said:
CIA can hack and make security experts think it was the Russians or Chinese who did the hack.
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and you really think the Russians and Chinese can't do that even better? Russians are masters at this shit
 
riverman said:
and you really think the Russians and Chinese can't do that even better? Russians are masters at this shit
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WikiLeaks latest documents show the CIA are masters at this shit.

Ponder why the CIA might want to make it look like the Russians committed some hacking. And consider why we should believe it was the Russians that hacked the Clinton campaign server.

Tell me more about this circumstantial evidence. That's all I've seen and it's not even compelling.
 
Denny Crane said:
Tell me more about this circumstantial evidence
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neither of us has access...if you read my post...I expect it's long gone....poof....circumstances are pretty veiled at the top these days...I openly admit I'm suspicious of anything Trump avoids addressing or anything he tweets....I've read enough to have caught him in numerous lies already....you trust this administration for some reason Denny.........I have multiple reasons not to. I can dig up 50 articles about Trump's Russian mysteries but there's no point now that anything can be countered with ...."FAKE NEWS"........I trust journalists way more than I trust our administration
 
riverman said:
so you change your password every 30 seconds?
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No. The best you can do is VPN, something like this: https://openvpn.net/

Your cable provider has to be able to tell your modem to only do 50Mbit or 100Mbit (for example), depending on which you pay for. If you call them up, they send your modem a message to up the bandwidth.

That same mechanism allows hackers to get into the modem.

The modems have hard coded backdoor accounts so technicians can remotely diagnose issues with your service. The modems ship with a default password that most people do not know about or bother to change.

The modems have embedded WWW server for the admin pages. Those have vulnerabilities.

The big one is the DOCSIS TFTP one (how providers limit your bandwidth). A man in the middle attack would make it so your modem would download and boot whatever program the hacker chooses.
 
riverman said:
neither of us has access...if you read my post...I expect it's long gone....poof....circumstances are pretty veiled at the top these days...I openly admit I'm suspicious of anything Trump avoids addressing or anything he tweets....I've read enough to have caught him in numerous lies already....you trust this administration for some reason Denny.........I have multiple reasons not to. I can dig up 50 articles about Trump's Russian mysteries but there's no point now that anything can be countered with ...."FAKE NEWS"........I trust journalists way more than I trust our administration
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Long gone, like Clinton's emails?

There's going to be forensic evidence, if there's anything we learned from Clinton's lawbreaking.

I don't trust this administration. I've said from the start that hopefully the republicans would block Trump's godawful agenda items (and pass the good ones). I think Trump is a mixed bag, a blowhard, and a non-politician. The non-politician bit is his best quality, if you believe as I do that government should be run by citizens and not some elite class established through meritocracy.

What I also don't trust is what are obviously absurd claims about some collusion between the Russians and Trump. I don't think Trump's crew are smart enough to pull that off. If there's anything we learned about Trump's administration so far, it's that.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't think Cheeto Face's crew are smart enough to pull that off. If there's anything we learned about Cheeto Face's administration so far, it's that.
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its not rocket surgery. and obviously it is possible.

kgb dude: "we will (whatever) to help you win, and then you will (whatever)".

trump dude: "sounds good!"
 
Denny Crane said:
Long gone, like Clinton's emails?

There's going to be forensic evidence, if there's anything we learned from Clinton's lawbreaking.

I don't trust this administration. I've said from the start that hopefully the republicans would block Trump's godawful agenda items (and pass the good ones). I think Trump is a mixed bag, a blowhard, and a non-politician. The non-politician bit is his best quality, if you believe as I do that government should be run by citizens and not some elite class established through meritocracy.

What I also don't trust is what are obviously absurd claims about some collusion between the Russians and Trump. I don't think Trump's crew are smart enough to pull that off. If there's anything we learned about Trump's administration so far, it's that.
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If Clinton did anything illegal, she should be held accountable .....Trump excused her from prosecution as soon as he took office claiming her over 30 years of service merited discretion. As to the non politician in Trump's playbook....if it were another person, I'd agree, but Trump does not have a best quality period...he's a hack...you wouldn't want me programming your computer for the same reason I don't want Trump flailing around with my country.
 
Denny Crane said:
I don't think Trump's crew are smart enough to pull that off. If there's anything we learned about Trump's administration so far, it's that.
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This is why I suspect they are being played like a Russian violin....Trump is an easy target for the ex chief of the KGB. It's not exactly wild speculation to assume he's being used for political advantage by an adversary
 
riverman said:
This is why I suspect they are being played like a Russian violin....Trump is an easy target for the ex chief of the KGB. It's not exactly wild speculation to assume he's being used for political advantage by an adversary
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How much about Russia and national security do you think McMaster and Mattis know?

If Trump were being used, the sanctions would be lifted long ago.

What else do the Russians want that can be done by Trump with the stroke of his EO pen?
 
riverman said:
If Clinton did anything illegal, she should be held accountable .....Trump excused her from prosecution as soon as he took office claiming her over 30 years of service merited discretion. As to the non politician in Trump's playbook....if it were another person, I'd agree, but Trump does not have a best quality period...he's a hack...you wouldn't want me programming your computer for the same reason I don't want Trump flailing around with my country.
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Trump was told that it would be incredibly bad optics and bad for the nation for the winner to prosecute the loser.

Meanwhile, now that Clinton has nothing to offer in terms of quid pro quo, donations to the Clinton Foundation are down ~40%.
 
Denny Crane said:
if you believe as I do that government should be run by citizens and not some elite class established through meritocracy.
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I believe this is good but Trump falls under the category of elite liar.....I'm sure there are a million better qualified non-politicians that could handle the responsibility...as it stands..the country should be embarrassed at the administration we currently have in place.
 
riverman said:
I believe this is good but Trump falls under the category of elite liar.....I'm sure there are a million better qualified non-politicians that could handle the responsibility...as it stands..the country should be embarrassed at the administration we currently have in place.
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The sad thing is that Trump is better equipped as citizen leader than most.

This guy is a liar, but still, he threw bombs at Trump on his way out:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article136600203.html

WASHINGTON
James Clapper, the longtime director of national intelligence under former President Barack Obama, said unequivocally Sunday that Donald Trump’s home and office were not wiretapped before the presidential election last year.

Clapper, who served as director for more than six years before he departed in January, also said he knew of no evidence that members of Trump’s campaign had colluded with Russia during the election campaign and that no suggestion that they had was made in a January report on the subject.

“We did not include anything in our report … that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians,” he said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “There was no evidence of that included in our report. We had no evidence of such collusion.”
 
Denny Crane said:
What else do the Russians want that can be done by Trump with the stroke of his EO pen?
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An arms race...Syrian puppet govt....control of seaports and pipelines through Turkey...and for us to get rid of our missile bases in Germany and Turkey..Trump was on his way to buddy up with Putin but we were already moving troops to Poland as a counter to Russian aggression. The generals are hawks for the most part....Trump will appease them anyway he can, even if it means backtracking his schpiel.......now they've assured China that Taiwan is not gaining independence......the only thing I liked that Trump did, he backed off on as soon as the secretary of state met with them in Beijing.
 
riverman said:
An arms race...Syrian puppet govt....control of seaports and pipelines through Turkey...and for us to get rid of our missile bases in Germany and Turkey..Trump was on his way to buddy up with Putin but we were already moving troops to Poland as a counter to Russian aggression. The generals are hawks for the most part....Trump will appease them anyway he can, even if it means backtracking his schpiel.......now they've assured China that Taiwan is not gaining independence......the only thing I liked that Trump did, he backed off on as soon as the secretary of state met with them in Beijing.
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The swamp is deep and thick. Draining it will take time.

Trump is stuck trying to run an unwieldy and ham fisted government, full of people who work for it and special interests that profit from it.

I would hope there were some significant concessions from the Chinese in exchange for the change in policy. Like cash investment in the US (jobs, check!). It'd be nice if they stopped stealing our intellectual property and hacking our companies.
 
Denny Crane said:
We had no evidence of such collusion.”
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What else would they say? I have personally torched thousands of teletype msgs from the Nixon administration....it no longer exists...I would expect any evidence that would cost any powerful official is long gone....people like to keep their jobs. I don't trust them to tell us the truth and I wanted to trust them thinking things would settle down and adults would act accordingly...now it's a reality TV show with a president garnering his battles from FOX news articles....
 
riverman said:
What else would they say? I have personally torched thousands of teletype msgs from the Nixon administration....it no longer exists...I would expect any evidence that would cost any powerful official is long gone....people like to keep their jobs. I don't trust them to tell us the truth and I wanted to trust them thinking things would settle down and adults would act accordingly...now it's a reality TV show with a president garnering his battles from FOX news articles....
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They would say nothing, letting the conspiracy theory frenzy feed further.

It'd be really awesome if the congressional committees do follow the Russian influence issue, wherever it leads. Including to Podesta and the Clinton Foundation and the quid pro quo oil deal she did for a Russian donor while she was Secretary of State.
 
MarAzul said:
The question has been answered
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My questions have not been answered and we all lost....my candidate couldn't possibly have won anyway...still, I voted against Trump and Clinton...that you actually trust Trump baffles me but hey......you see it as some victory...I don't..I see it as a massive failure
 
MarAzul said:
azbuka fright
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I have no fears of Slavic people.....azbuka covers most of the Balkans...it's Putin and his henchmen I am aware of...but hey, maybe you want their subs off our eastern seaboard.
 
Denny Crane said:
stealing our intellectual property and hacking our companies
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This is something I think we could use to offset the foreign debt....they owe US companies trillions of dollars for copyright infringements...I saw a Gibson Les Paul for sale on craigslist yesterday for 300 bucks...if you look inside it, it's Chinese made....they've sold millions of products using US brand names. If you don't know instruments, it'd be easy to fool most buyers into thinking they bought an actual Gibson
 
riverman said:
that you actually trust Trump baffles me but hey......you see it as some victory...I don't..I see it as a massive failure
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I see it as the best choice available won. Now it is time to shut the fuck up and let us see what the results will be. That is the system. Supporting this all out sedition or treason is
also the same crime and very detrimental.
 
MarAzul said:
Now it is time to shut the fuck up
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bullshit....the constitution says I can complain about my government and it's not sedition to do so...you like to use this line to sensationalize opposing views but as an American, I believe it's my duty to hold my government accountable. You do not get to accuse me of treason to prop up your agenda.Carry on
 
MarAzul said:
I see it as the best choice available won. Now it is time to shut the fuck up and let us see what the results will be. That is the system. Supporting this all out sedition or treason is
also the same crime and very detrimental.
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Like you were so supportive of Obama? And his healthcare actions?????? By your reasoning you should be swinging by the neck in the breeze.......
 
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