Politics BREAKING: National security adviser Michael Flynn has resigned.

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barfo said:
Ok, well, the graph I included above shows that he failed to keep that promise. Electric rates increased during the Obama years at about the same rate they increased before Obama.

Maybe he raised your electric costs at the same time he took away all your guns?

Can't quickly find any info on PP&L increases, but feel free to post your actual current (no pun intended) rate. I'll bet it is still well below the national average?

barfo
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The biggest change has be the addition of the Delivery charge. This along with the Basic charge is more than the monthly bill was before the delivery charge was tacked on.
But big rate increases came also.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2010/12/rates_set_to_jump_for_pacific.html
 
Just one little comment from Trump today about Flynn. Treated unfairly, unlawful leaks!
We have not heard the end of this, the guys (I assume in the CIA or some intel agency) that leaked this stuff to the press will no doubt get their just reward.
These types in the government are a bigger threat to the nation than Russia might be. They work to divide the nation and undermine the duly elected current administration.
I look forward to them dancing in public.
 
MarAzul said:
Just one little comment from Trump today about Flynn. Treated unfairly, unlawful leaks!
We have not heard the end of this, the guys (I assume in the CIA or some intel agency) that leaked this stuff to the press will no doubt get their just reward.
These types in the government are a bigger threat to the nation than Russia might be. They work to divide the nation and undermine the duly elected current administration.
I look forward to them dancing in public.
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How was Flynn treated unfairly?
 
Remember when Trump supporters were crowing about how bad Putin was making Obama look when they didn't react to us kicking out the Russian diplomats or the sanctions? Now we know why. There's a reason Obama fire him for insubordination and obviously he didn't learn his lesson the first time.

Also, wire tapping these types of telephone calls is SOP and not illegal. Flynn had to know his calls were being recorded. Yet he felt so comfortable with his status in the Trump administration that he thought he could completely undermine President Obama's authority in the days prior to the inauguration without repercussion.
 
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MarAzul said:
Oh it is absolutely illegal to record the conversations of a US citizen without a court order.
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That is not correct, if the person on the other end of the line is the target of the wiretapping and is a foreigner.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That is not correct, if the person on the other end of the line is the target of the wiretapping and is a foreigner.

barfo
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"Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?

Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.

In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws. "

Perhaps there is another law? One that also allows divulging the information to the media?
 
MarAzul said:
"Who must give permission to record a telephone or in-person conversation?

Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.

In addition to federal law, thirty-eight states and the District of Columbia have adopted "one-party consent" laws and permit individuals to record phone calls and conversations to which they are a party or when one party to the communication consents. See the State Law: Recording section of this legal guide for information on state wiretapping laws. "

Perhaps there is another law? One that also allows divulging the information to the media?
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https://lawfareblog.com/treatment-flynns-phone-calls-complies-fisa-minimization-procedures
 
MarAzul said:
Oh it is absolutely illegal to record the conversations of a US citizen without a court order. It is another violation to release the information to the media.

Yes, I betcha Flynn knew he would be recorded.
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Wrong, the Russian guy is not a US citizen, these kinds of conversations are routinely taped, and Flynn knew it... he just didn't care.
 
MarAzul said:
And before anything happens with this conversation "routinely taped" what is supposes to happen first?

I have no idea what Flynn was thinking, how do you know with certainty?
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Here you go: https://lawfareblog.com/treatment-flynns-phone-calls-complies-fisa-minimization-procedures

The answer is nothing has to happen first and Flynn would know he was being taped - but you're right, I don't know with certainty what Flynn was thinking but I do know he hates Obama. I just assumed when he took the job with the Trump administration he actually wanted it and planned to keep it.
 
MarAzul said:
And before anything happens with this conversation "routinely taped" what is supposes to happen first?

I have no idea what Flynn was thinking, how do you know with certainty?
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As the former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he would have known that the NSA routinely listens in on communications with foreign diplomats.
 
Nikolokolus said:
As the former Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, he would have known that the NSA routinely listens in on communications with foreign diplomats.
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I suspect you are absolutely correct.
 
MarAzul said:
Ok, assume this is accurate, how did it become authorized to release to the media?
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WTF are you talking about - who's claiming anyone authorized it to be released to the media? And what does that have to do with anything I said about the legality of taping the conversation, Kelly Anne?
 
Spud147 said:
who's claiming anyone authorized it to be released to the media? And what does that have to do with anything
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Well we have the conversation recorded as you say all on the up and up withing the rules laid out to NSA. Now how do this info get legally to the media? I think it is only illegally done, don't you?
Probably the only law broken was the leak to the media.
 
MarAzul said:
Ha! it breaking because it was leaked! Who did it is the probably the only preson to break a law.
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Our govt is not hiding in the shadows when it investigates something like this....it's supposed to be transparent and it should be.
 
MarAzul said:
Well we have the conversation recorded as you say all on the up and up withing the rules laid out to NSA. Now how do this info get legally to the media? I think it is only illegally done, don't you?
Probably the only law broken was the leak to the media.
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nah....these guys are being vetted as they take on their new roles....red flags around Flynn aren't new..this is just how it panned out...Trump wasn't paying attention....he might have done damage control if he knew what that meant
 
MarAzul said:
Well we have the conversation recorded as you say all on the up and up withing the rules laid out to NSA. Now how do this info get legally to the media? I think it is only illegally done, don't you?
Probably the only law broken was the leak to the media.
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I don't care how it was leaked, from all appearances Trump's administration is a sieve so it probably came from several sources.

The ironic part is we also found out the AG he fired tried to protect him and the guy who lied to him is someone he feels got a raw deal.
 
riverman said:
Our govt is not hiding in the shadows when it investigates something like this....it's supposed to be transparent and it should be.
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Wtf are you talking about? The inner sanctum of government can listen it on phone calls, decide what they like and don't, then take action, leak to the media and this is all OK?
 
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