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Hmm...

Reading a Yahoo! article, it definitely seems that it was an attempted attack. The plates don't match up and are from the junk yard, so it will be tough to know whether this was an attempted foreign or domestic terror attack.
 
Seems to amateurish to be the work of Al Queda to me. I would guess it's an attack from within.
 
tlongII said:
Seems to amateurish to be the work of Al Queda to me. I would guess it's an attack from within.
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Yes because people who live in caves in Pakistan and use women and children as suicide bombers would never use something as low tech as a car to put a bomb in?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Yes because people who live in caves in Pakistan and use women and children as suicide bombers would never use something as low tech as a car to put a bomb in?
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Perhaps, he may have been referring to the bomb's contents - gasoline and propane. Al Queda's bombs have generally been a bit more advanced than that.
 
ABM said:
Perhaps, he may have been referring to the bomb's contents - gasoline and propane. Al Queda's bombs have generally been a bit more advanced than that.
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What are you talking about? You're confusing the terrorists in 24 and the movies with real life. There are no "sophistication" rules for what a terrorist uses to cause terror.

"Dear Mr Abdul,

It has come to out attention that you recently used gasoline and propane in a car bomb in New York City. You are in clear violation of rule 27.4 in the Al Queda rules of terrorism manual. Using such low tech combustibles for your bomb makes us look not only bad but also amateurish. Also because we are actually sending you this letter means that you also violated rule 44.7 and did not blow up yourself along with the bomb. Because of these violations we are terminating your membership in Al Queda. In the next couple of weeks you will receive a letter from accounting reimbursing you the prorated balance of this year's membership fee. "
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What are you talking about? You're confusing the terrorists in 24 and the movies with real life. There are no "sophistication" rules for what a terrorist uses to cause terror.
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I'm not speaking of "rules" so much as I'm speaking of history. That said, it certainly doesn't mean Al Queda "wasn't" responsible.
 
ABM said:
Perhaps, he may have been referring to the bomb's contents - gasoline and propane. Al Queda's bombs have generally been a bit more advanced than that.
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That's exactly what I'm referring to. Al Queda generally uses high explosives.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
What are you talking about? You're confusing the terrorists in 24 and the movies with real life. There are no "sophistication" rules for what a terrorist uses to cause terror.

"Dear Mr Abdul,

It has come to out attention that you recently used gasoline and propane in a car bomb in New York City. You are in clear violation of rule 27.4 in the Al Queda rules of terrorism manual. Using such low tech combustibles for your bomb makes us look not only bad but also amateurish. Also because we are actually sending you this letter means that you also violated rule 44.7 and did not blow up yourself along with the bomb. Because of these violations we are terminating your membership in Al Queda. In the next couple of weeks you will receive a letter from accounting reimbursing you the prorated balance of this year's membership fee. "
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What are YOU talking about? Would you care to give the supposedly numerous examples of Al Queda using gasoline cans as their explosive ordinance in car bombs?
 
And I'm not saying Al Queda didn't do it either. It just doesn't look like their M.O. to me.
 
ABM said:
I'm not speaking of "rules" so much as I'm speaking of history. That said, it certainly doesn't mean Al Queda "wasn't" responsible.
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Huh? In the history of people acting in the name of Al Queda there has never been gasoline used in a car bomb? I didn't know that Al Queda only used electric cars for car bombs.

All I'm saying is that why not leave the professionals determine who did this bomb, it could have very well come from a domestic source but to try and rule out what terrorism group did or didn't do this by what kind of terrorist device used seems very dumb to me.

We're going to see lots of groups claim responsibility for this, seems like the Taliban are now. http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/local_news/nyc/pakistani-taliban-claims-responsibility-20100502-ac
 
tlongII said:
That's exactly what I'm referring to. Al Queda generally uses high explosives.
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And all of the governments work on making it harder for terrorists to smuggle such items in to the USA or to buy or steal them in the USA might not be working? Al Queda doesn't have a high tech standard for how they cause terrorism.
 
ABM said:
Not that I've heard of. Hard to say, though. I'm simply saying that, if it were Al Queda, I would imagine they'd put something together that would potentially cause much more damage/harm/death.

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/08/21/terror.tape.main/index.html
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"Detectives are also understood to be investigating striking similarities between the New York bomb and two car bombs planted by Islamic terrorists outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in London in 2007.

In both cases, the devices comprised cylinders of propane gas and cans full of petrol intended to be ignited by electronic detonators. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-bomb-police-investigate-South-Park-link.html
 
SlyPokerDog said:
"Detectives are also understood to be investigating striking similarities between the New York bomb and two car bombs planted by Islamic terrorists outside the Tiger Tiger nightclub in London in 2007.

In both cases, the devices comprised cylinders of propane gas and cans full of petrol intended to be ignited by electronic detonators. "

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-bomb-police-investigate-South-Park-link.html
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Are all Islamic terrorists necessarily members of Al Queda? Just wondering.
 
ABM said:
Are all Islamic terrorists necessarily members of Al Queda? Just wondering.
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No ABM, my point all along has been and only will be is that you can not rule out Al Queda because the bomb was not as sophisticated as you think an Al Queda bomb should be.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
No ABM, my point all along has been and only will be is that you can not rule out Al Queda because the bomb was not as sophisticated as you think an Al Queda bomb should be.
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I don't think you're hearing what tlong related, and I'm agreeing with. That is, we're certainly not ruling out Al Queda. It just doesn't appear to their MO. These are all opinions only.
 
ABM said:
I don't think you're hearing what tlong related, and I'm agreeing with. That is, we're certainly not ruling out Al Queda. It just doesn't appear to their MO. These are all opinions only.
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Exactly.

Kelly said during a press conference Sunday that the NYPD is analyzing a surveillance video showing a unidentified white male in his 40's fleeing the scene. Kelly said the man is seen in the footage shedding a dark-colored shirt in an alley and putting it in a bag, revealing a red one underneath.
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ABM said:
I don't think you're hearing what tlong related, and I'm agreeing with. That is, we're certainly not ruling out Al Queda. It just doesn't appear to their MO. These are all opinions only.
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Their MO is to promote a political and religious agenda through the use of terrorism. They have shown a determined willingness to carry this terrorism by any means possible and available to them.

I'm not stupid ABM, I understood that these are just opinions. I just thought that tlongs statement of "Seems to amateurish to be the work of Al Queda to me. I would guess it's an attack from within" as an assumption based on faulty evidence and logic. At this point I am not ruling out any terrorist organization based on the items that were used in making the bomb. I think that is a huge mistake, one that I hope the people who are investigating this in NY are not making. (Which it sounds like they're not.)
 
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tlongII said:
Exactly.
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Exactly what? You said, "Seems to amateurish to be the work of Al Queda to me. I would guess it's an attack from within." I disagree with your conclusion, ruling out a terrorist organization based on the lack of sophistication of the terror causing device used makes no sense to me.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Exactly what? You said, "Seems to amateurish to be the work of Al Queda to me. I would guess it's an attack from within." I disagree with your conclusion, ruling out a terrorist organization based on the lack of sophistication of the terror causing device used makes no sense to me.
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Did you miss the part where I said "I would guess it's an attack from within." Does that sound like I'm ruling anything out? It's a guess. Probably a good guess at that.
 
tlongII said:
Did you miss the part where I said "I would guess it's an attack from within." Does that sound like I'm ruling anything out? It's a guess. Probably a good guess at that.
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LOL! And I said I disagree with your guess because in my opinion your guess is based on faulty assumptions. And yes, your defense of your guess seems, in my opinion, that you are attempting to rule out one particular terrorist organization.

This is fun!
 
SlyPokerDog said:
LOL! And I said I disagree with your guess because in my opinion your guess is based on faulty assumptions. And yes, your defense of your guess seems, in my opinion, that you are attempting to rule out one particular terrorist organization.

This is fun!
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Hardly. Al Queda has been known to use petrol as an accelerant in its bombs, but not as the primary explosive as far as I'm aware. Hopefully we will find out who orchestrated this act. Then we will know how accurate my guess was.
 
tlongII said:
Hardly. Al Queda has been known to use petrol as an accelerant in its bombs, but not as the primary explosive as far as I'm aware. Hopefully we will find out who orchestrated this act. Then we will know how accurate my guess was.
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From the very same article YOU quoted from that said the police are looking for a white male, "At about 2 p.m. Sunday, NYPD breached a 55 by 32 inch gun locker inside the car and found it contained eight bags of an unknown, fertilizer-like substance and an inverted pot with a "bird's nest" of wires. There were three propane tanks next to the gun locker, two five-gallon jerry cans of gasoline, and a timing device, police officials said. There was no high-grade explosive, and the timing device was clocks attached to wires. Attached to the propane tanks were M88 fireworks, some of which went off."

No where in any article has said that gas was the primary explosive. It was found in the car with as we learn more, lots of other shit. Your guess might be correct but it doesn't mean that your guess wasn't based on incorrect assumptions. Again, all I'm trying to say is that making assumptions on who did this based on how you think the bomb was made doesn't make a lot of sense.

Now that the bomb appears to be more complex than you first thought it was does that mean your guess is any more or is less accurate if the person they catch has no ties to Al Queda?
 
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Al Qaeda used jet fuel as an explosive.

It's one thing to make a land mine (car bomb) out of RPG parts and other leftover and buried munitions. It's another to try and put together these things within our borders and under the noses of our homeland security and police type forces.

Seems like Al Qaeda is quite weakened as well.

All things considered, Al Qaeda obviously improvises with what they have at their disposal.
 
Okay, is there an update on this? I didn't really read your argument so I might of missed something.
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...126360756.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEADNewsCollection

On Sunday, a Pakistani Taliban group took credit for the attempted attack in a short video. The video, purportedly from the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan group, offered "congratulations to the Muslim ummah (community) on the jaw-breaking blow to Satan's USA." The video, which made no mention of the plot's failure, said the attack was a response to recent killings of top Pakistani Taliban figures, including Baitullah Mehsud.

Mr. Kelly said there is no evidence of a Taliban link to the attempted bombing and noted that the group had falsely claimed responsibility for other incidents in which it had no involvement.
 
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-bomb-police-investigate-South-Park-link.html

Times Square car bomb: police investigate South Park link

Police in New York are investigating whether a car bomb in Times Square was targeted at the makers of South Park over a controversial depiction of the Prophet Mohammed.

The device, which failed to detonate, was left near the offices of Viacom, which owns the irreverent cartoon series.

Last month postings on an Islamic website warned the creators of South Park - Matt Stone and Trey Parker - that they could face violent reprisals after an episode of the show featured Mohammed in a bear suit.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...-bomb-police-investigate-South-Park-link.html

Times Square car bomb: police investigate South Park link

Police in New York are investigating whether a car bomb in Times Square was targeted at the makers of South Park over a controversial depiction of the Prophet Mohammed.

The device, which failed to detonate, was left near the offices of Viacom, which owns the irreverent cartoon series.

Last month postings on an Islamic website warned the creators of South Park - Matt Stone and Trey Parker - that they could face violent reprisals after an episode of the show featured Mohammed in a bear suit.
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Good God, these extremists need to get some real problems. Bat shit crazy mother fuckers.
 
al-Qaida. Say it with me guys. al-Qaida.

Also: LOL at the Pakistani Taliban claiming responsibility.

Looks to me like we don't know what this is yet.
 
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