BREAKING NEWS: McCain picks Gov. Sarah Palin!!!

[The Return of the Raider]

The hottest state and the coldest state have joined forces. Fire and Ice. Deserts and Glaciers.

 

[GrandKenyon6]

So when McCain dies we're going to be left with someone who has served 20 months as governor of a state with the population of 3 blocks of New York City as president. Great!

 

[ghoti]

38 million people watched a guy who served half a term in the senate and has never governed anything accept the Democratic nomination. There are a lot of factors that make a good candidate. Experience is only one of many at this level of politics.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

So when McCain dies we're going to be left with someone who has served 20 months as governor of a state with the population of 3 blocks of New York City as president. Great!

Let's say she ends up taking the job because McCain dies. I think she is an upgrade over GW Bush, in terms of actual experience. Bush, pre-president seems to just be riding the coattails of his fathers' legacy. Palin actually worked her way up in Politics from the City Council level, on up. Bush seems out of touch with small town people, Palin is actually from small towns. Bush is an elitist, Palin is not. Between the two, I trust Palin over W. Palin is all about ethics and stopping corruption. Bush seems to always be one degree of separation from it at any given time.

 

[Run BJM]

Interesting move by McCain. I thought picking a women would be smart even though this broad's views are different than most Hillary women. Like someone else said, voters are dumb sheep. Especially so with the Hillary cult. I've seen some of them interviewed on CNN, MSNBC, etc. and they basically use no logic and seem like the most selfish people I've ever laid eyes on. They don't care if Obama is virtually the same candidate as Hillary but with black skin and a pair of balls, they don't care that Obama and Biden are "the most pro-feminism ticket in the history of America". Even when reporters grill them about how their takes on the issues align directly with Obama's and McCain's are quite different they still say they don't want to vote for Obama.

IMO this goes further into the major problem with Democrats as well; they don't know how to win. They're not team players. They have no killer instinct (except the Clintons). Picking Biden is the safe pick, its playing not to lose, it seems so typically Democrat. Now a lot of Democrats are getting their panties in a bunch because they want Hillary and if they don't get it they're going to whine and bitch and not vote. Shit, look at the Republicans- all of the right wing neo conservatives hate this McCain's fuggin guts but they're still going to get behind him to win the damn presidency. Now McCain makes a bit of a risky move but it could pay off big time. Hes playing to win IMO. The Republicans are going to cheat, steal, rape, pillage, the whole way through the election and while its annoying as hell its effective. Once again I don't think the Democrats have the grapes to do anything similar which is respectable but they're justm aking it harder on themselves.

I'd like to think Obama will win because it seems like as the election gets closer I'm leaning more and more toward him but to me it just looks like the same old dumbass democrat looking for ways to screw up the election. He could have sent a big time "fuck you guys I'm taking this shit" if he chose Hillary. Granted picking Hillary has potential downside but IMO thats a move that shows you're playing to win and you want to tear the fucking head of this election. If he wanted to avoid having the Clinton's over his shoulder while he was president I can understand that but like Herm Edwards said; "YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME!". Obama is playing not to lose and he just keeps giving McCain chances to keep the election close when it should not be remotely close.

 

[cpawfan]

If Obama picked Hillary as his VP and he won the election, his term would rival that of William Henry Harrison. Hillary would have him taken out.

 

[Jurassic]

I just read that she gave birth to a son this past April, or maybe 2007. Anyway, her son has down syndrome so I assume that will tug at a lot of people's hearts. Not to mention that it could nullify Barrack's passion for health care as an edge in his favor, as evidenced in his speech yesterday.

 

[44Thrilla]

Experience is only one of many at this level of politics.

Well, experience is everything to the McCain campaign. And it seems very odd that the guy who has gone way out of his way to say that Obama is not qualified because he lacks experience to pick somebody with equal/less experience to take over for him should something happen to him in office. To me, McCain ruined all of the good work he did getting voters to listen to his experience message.

 

[cpawfan]

Well, experience is everything to the McCain campaign. And it seems very odd that the guy who has gone way out of his way to say that Obama is not qualified because he lacks experience to pick somebody with equal/less experience to take over for him should something happen to him in office. To me, McCain ruined all of the good work he did getting voters to listen to his experience message.

The talking points for both sides change once the VP's are selected

 

[Jurassic]

Well, experience is everything to the McCain campaign. And it seems very odd that the guy who has gone way out of his way to say that Obama is not qualified because he lacks experience to pick somebody with equal/less experience to take over for him should something happen to him in office. To me, McCain ruined all of the good work he did getting voters to listen to his experience message.

Exactly.

If McCain had chosen Mitt Romney he would have been overshadowed, but I don't understand him picking someone who is younger than the guy who he is attacking for being young and inexperienced.

 

[Jurassic]

The talking points for both sides change once the VP's are selected

Yeah but do they change in relation to mudslinging?

 

[44Thrilla]

The talking points for both sides change once the VP's are selected

I know, but McCain was doing great with the talking points he had, and there are plenty of women he could have picked that would have allowed him to maintain his experience angle.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

The talking points for both sides change once the VP's are selected

While McCain's talking points will change, I'm not so sure Obama's talking points need to change. I see the point that Thrilla is trying to make.

 

[cpawfan]

Obama selected a VP that is the opposite of his change message. McCain picked someone with more executive experience than Obama and who has always worked as a change agent.

It all nets out in the wash

 

[44Thrilla]

Obama selected a VP that is the opposite of his change message. McCain picked someone with more executive experience than Obama and who has always worked as a change agent.

It all nets out in the wash

How does Biden go against the change message? The change he speaks of has nothing to do with experience or being a Washington outsider. Biden's record is pretty consistent with Obama's talking points.

 

[Run BJM]

 

[Real]

I just got back. This is the best pick.

I didn't even know she was really in the running. I bought her name up two months ago here and I don't think anyone who she was then.

Man, easily the best looking VP pick in US History.

 

[44Thrilla]

Word is that McCain and Palin have only met once before today. Really shows how seriously McCain is taking his first important Presidential decision.

 

[Real]

Word is that McCain and Palin have only met once before today. Really shows how seriously McCain is taking his first important Presidential decision.

She is the outsider.

She's going to do well in those debates.

I love this. Obama talks about change, and he picked Joe Biden. Obama accuses McCain of being Bush 44 and McCain picks the real candidate for change.

As KO used to say on ESPN, boo-yah.

 

[porky88]

Really? What do they have in common?

Palin is Pro-life. Hillary is not.

Palin is a lifetime NRA member. Hillary demands gun control.

She's against abortion in extreme cases like of incest and rape which just won't sit well with the Hillary supporters. She's also way conservative. Hillary supporters are anything but that.

With that said it's obviously a high risk/reward pick. I heard her name mentioned back in like June or something and she was called a way long shot. I think this is McCain's way of trying to motivate his base while maybe stealing some women voters from the democrats. I'd be shocked if he actually got a large portion of women voters with this pick.

If this pick helps him anywhere outside of Alaska, it's New Hampshire. Beyond that neither candidate picked a VP with the electoral map in mind.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

Word is that McCain and Palin have only met once before today. Really shows how seriously McCain is taking his first important Presidential decision.

Someone else told him who to pick, obviously.

 

[speeds]

I thought McCain was all about giving Americans experienced leadership?

 

[Real]

LOL I was watching MSNBC and they had the Democratic strategist talking about how "we can't have this woman who is Governor of a state like Alaska be a hearbeat away from the Presidency!"

Where's Biden from again?

 

[ghoti]

If Obama picked Hillary as his VP and he won the election, his term would rival that of William Henry Harrison. Hillary would have him taken out.

I've talked to at least four other people in the last week who independently told me the same thing.

Has anyone ever wanted to be President more than the Clintons?

 

[TheBeef]

Might I point out that Palin has the most experience of any of the 4 when it comes to be the chief executive of a government.....I love the pick....Barry Obamination wasnt going to win anyway....no one is winning with a platform of "Change We Refuse to Define"....

 

[The Return of the Raider]

She's against abortion in extreme cases like of incest and rape which just won't sit well with the Hillary supporters. She's also way conservative. Hillary supporters are anything but that.

With that said it's obviously a high risk/reward pick. I heard her name mentioned back in like June or something and she was called a way long shot. I think this is McCain's way of trying to motivate his base while maybe stealing some women voters from the democrats. I'd be shocked if he actually got a large portion of women voters with this pick.

If this pick helps him anywhere outside of Alaska, it's New Hampshire. Beyond that neither candidate picked a VP with the electoral map in mind.

I really don't see how a VP is going to do so much to swing women anyway. If a women was headlining the ticket, then I could see it. VP is a subordinate role, chosen only by the Presidential candidate. If women were actually voting on who a VP would be, it might very well not be the one that McCain picked.

 

[ghoti]

"Change We Refuse to Define"....

I hear this in Obama-speak.

"ChAnge. We. Re-FUSE. todefine."

 

[cpawfan]

How does Biden go against the change message? The change he speaks of has nothing to do with experience or being a Washington outsider. Biden's record is pretty consistent with Obama's talking points.

For the masses, all Obama has preached is change for the sake of change and for the masses, Biden isn't that.

Now that he no longer has to battle Hillary, Obama will have a chance to put out better talking points about what that change is. You and the others in this forum are not the typical voters. Like the past umpteen Presidential Races, I dislike both candidates so all I look is what the parties do to manipulate the sheep.

 

[cpawfan]

I really don't see how a VP is going to do so much to swing women anyway. If a women was headlining the ticket, then I could see it. VP is a subordinate role, chosen only by the Presidential candidate. If women were actually voting on who a VP would be, it might very well not be the one that McCain picked.

The marketing machines and tabloid journalism of today makes this a much different time than even the 2004 election. Yes, history says VP's don't matter (see Ferraro and Quayle) but a large part of the packaging of Obama so far has been about style over substance ("he is a great orator, so he'll be a great leader," "I stand for change" and Obama's sexiness).

The GOP just put a MILF into the VP slot and I can't wait to see how they package her.

 

[The Return of the Raider]

For the masses, all Obama has preached is change for the sake of change and for the masses, Biden isn't that.

Now that he no longer has to battle Hillary, Obama will have a chance to put out better talking points about what that change is. You and the others in this forum are not the typical voters. Like the past umpteen Presidential Races, I dislike both candidates so all I look is what the parties do to manipulate the sheep.

Guys, the VP mean nothing in this respect. Neither VP does. It's all about the President. The VP is just a tool for them, or an advisor. Like Denny pointed out when he mentioned a McCain/Hillary ticket, the VP can be "frozen out" if the administration chooses to do that. VP's have no real juice, and that's why you hear that women are insulted that Obama would let Hillary ride in the backseat of his Presidency.