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I think NJ will make the playoffs....


Bold move by Utah, there is a reason they are a better run franchise that disfunction junction, Portland OR....
 
Mediocre Man said:
What? You mean not every team let's there expiring contracts just leave for nothing?
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Blaze01 said:
they were PROACTIVE...a concept that is foreign to the pathetic POR front office...
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Yes a, Raef LaFrentz expiring is on par with a Deron Williams expiring. Also didn't we end up getting Miller with the freed space from LaFrentz expiring?

Anyone who thinks we could have got Williams is delusional. A) Utah isn't going to enrich their division rival. B) Williams wanted to go to NY, Brooklyn is "close"... Nets have a chance at convincing Williams that they're the next best thing to NYK. PDX would have zero chance and Williams would have been gone after next season.
 
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Pinwheel1 said:
Trust me on this as someone who lived in Utah for a decade. The JAZZ would never trade Deron Willimam to the Blazers in a MILLION fucking years. Not an option!

On anothr note......Holy Shit if that is true about him going to NJ. Major panick move by Utah.
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This - especially since our last two "F Utah" FA signings.
 
Blaze01 said:
I think NJ will make the playoffs....

Bold move by Utah, there is a reason they are a better run franchise that disfunction junction, Portland OR....
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Why? There's only 25 games left on the schedule and they are 8 games out. It's possible, but extremely unlikely.
 
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/02/indications_are_that_trail_bla.html

One agent with a client on the Blazers said it appears the Blazers are engaged in a philosophical struggle in the front office.

Cho has been active in trying to shake up the Blazers, searching for ways to make them younger while also acquiring future assets by way of draft picks. The most widely publicized deals involving the Blazers have included veterans Andre Miller, Marcus Camby and Joel Przybilla.

However, it appears Allen, the longtime owner, is not ready to give up on the short-term prospects of a team that has won six in a row and sits in sixth place in the Western Conference.
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Pinwheel1 said:
Trust me on this as someone who lived in Utah for a decade. The JAZZ would never trade Deron Willimam to the Blazers in a MILLION fucking years. Not an option!

On anothr note......Holy Shit if that is true about him going to NJ. Major panick move by Utah.
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I was talking about the Blazers trying to make a move to get one of Utah's PFs after the Williams deal goes down. I don't see that as very likely for the reasons I posted.
 
e_blazer said:
I was talking about the Blazers trying to make a move to get one of Utah's PFs after the Williams deal goes down. I don't see that as very likely for the reasons I posted.
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I know. I was agreeing with you.
 
B-Roy said:
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/02/indications_are_that_trail_bla.html
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One agent with a client on the Blazers said it appears the Blazers are engaged in a philosophical struggle in the front office.

Cho has been active in trying to shake up the Blazers, searching for ways to make them younger while also acquiring future assets by way of draft picks. The most widely publicized deals involving the Blazers have included veterans Andre Miller, Marcus Camby and Joel Przybilla.

However, it appears Allen, the longtime owner, is not ready to give up on the short-term prospects of a team that has won six in a row and sits in sixth place in the Western Conference.
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These types of anectdotes are nothing new; we've been hearing for awhile that the Allen is a bit of micro-manager and meddler. Maybe it's always been this way?

But I think Paul Allen is treading dangerously close to Al Davis territory here. I can understand trying maintain a winning mentality, but with a team this thin and broken, letting your strategic decision making about the team get swayed by a 6 game winning streak, against a pretty weak slate of opponents, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence regarding this team's future prospects. It's going to be hard enough with guys fleeing left and right to the big market teams for this team to remain competitive (so maybe it doesn't make any difference what moves are or are not made) but "letting it ride?" Ugh.
 
Klinky said:
Yes a, Raef LaFrentz expiring is on par with a Deron Williams expiring. Also didn't we end up getting Miller with the freed space from LaFrentz expiring?

Anyone who thinks we could have got Williams is delusional. A) Utah isn't going to enrich their division rival. B) Williams wanted to go to NY, Brooklyn is "close"... Nets have a chance at convincing Williams that they're the next best thing to NYK. PDX would have zero chance and Williams would have been gone after next season.
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This isn't about Deron fucking Williams...I agree, POR was NEVER going to get him....it is about a front office that seems incapable of getting out of thier own damm way...too many talking heads, too many "buddies" of Allen whispering in his ear and wanting to play fantasy GM...and worst of all an owner who cannot just let the EXPERTS do there fucking job...

Here you have a chance to trade aging players for young players\picks and build for the future...AND STILL make the playoffs! It is a win\win..

but no no no, let's keep all of our aging assets...to maybe end up a spot better in the playoffs? (at #5...or likely in the same damm spot regardless of trades or not)....and then get nothing for those assets....

It is called VISON...and Allen and his dipshit buddies don't have an inkling of it...Probably why almost everything he touches turns to shit....
 
The Utah situation is interesting.

The franchise was clearly not satisfied with the status quo. Sloan is a better coach than Nate - he was pushed out. Williams is a better player than any current Blazer - he was traded. Could it blow up in their collective face? Sure. OTOH, they might be positioning themselves for a brighter future. In any event, it is a *very* different mindset from Portland.
 
Blaze01 said:
Here you have a chance to trade aging players for young players\picks and build for the future...AND STILL make the playoffs! It is a win\win...
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Which aging players would we have traded, yet still would have allowed us to make the playoffs? Our "aging", but only healthy "real" center(does Marks really count?)? Our other center who is better & also injured, but will help take some load off of our all-star caliber PF when he comes back? Our aging PG who is pretty much the glue & maestro of the offense? Trading any of our older vets right now would have unknown consequence, the only person who probably could have gone would have been Joel, but then we definitely would have needed to keep Camby to have any hope of a productive Center. Joel is the weakest trade bait we have, we'd have to package him with young talent to get any sort of decent pick, which would make the whole exercise moot.

It's far from a "win/win". People need to stop wanting a trade for tradesake. You don't know what was going on in the war room, there really may not have been any worthwhile deals. People need to get the notion out of their heads that every year there is some deal that the Blazers FO ALWAYS misses out on because they're so "incompetent". That's just BS.
 
Klinky said:
That's just BS.
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That about sums up your post...

Do we HAVE to trade them all? There is no middle ground here I take it? Personally I would take the risk, b\c making the playoffs to get bounced in the 1st round or missing them altogether are not much of a big difference IMO...

I am not under the delusion that this team is going anywhere even if they did make the playoffs...but by all means, keep hope alive...

The team won what 6? games in a row with Camby down...they could miss him for the rest of the season and do just fine, haven't they already?...and Roy is coming back is he not? And by all means make sure that you don't account AT ALL in your nice doomsday scenario there for what prodcution POR might get back from players that POR received back for these aging players....or from improved play from other players currently on the roster.....I mean its not like Aldridge or Matthews or Rudy improved thier play when Roy went down....I mean this kind of stuff...USUALLY happens (other players step up and fill the production)...

Look, I understand why you don't account for any of that, b\c doing so wouldn't make your doomsday scenario as dire\realistic as you guess it to be......

So yeah I call bs.....
 
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Blaze01 said:
I think NJ will make the playoffs....


Bold move by Utah, there is a reason they are a better run franchise that disfunction junction, Portland OR....
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I sure hope that was a joke. Or you are really bad at math.
 
maybe both...

even better deal for Utah it appears....
 
Blaze01 said:
That about sums up your post...

Do we HAVE to trade them all? There is no middle ground here I take it? Personally I would take the risk, b\c making the playoffs to get bounced in the 1st round or missing them altogether are not much of a big difference IMO...
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A) My original post wasn't suggesting you were saying we should have gone after Deron Williams. Reading failure #1.
B) My last post doesn't say anything about us having to trade all three, trade any one, two or all of them that you like. Reading failure #2.

Miller & Camby are going to be very useful for any sort of playoff push, especially if it might come down to obtaining home court advantage.

I am not under the delusion that this team is going anywhere even if they did make the playoffs...but by all means, keep hope alive...
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I am not under the delusion that there was a magic tradestalk out there that Cho could have pulled out of his butt. Or that a pick or two in the teens is going to be a game-changer championship maker for this team.

The team won what 6? games in a row with Camby down...they could miss him for the rest of the season and do just find...
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What was the quality of those opponents, many of them weren't that great. How many minutes did LaMarcus have to log? How many minutes was Cunningham playing Center?

Roy is coming back is he not?
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How effective is Roy going to be? Are his knees going to give out again in a month or so?

And by all means make sure that you don't account at all for what production POR might get back from players that were dealt for these aging players....or from improved play from other players currently on the roster.....I mean its not like Aldridge or Matthews or Rudy improved thier play when Roy went down....I mean this kind of stuff...USUALLY happens (other players step up and fill the production).
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Who do you have in mind that would have been an obvious upgrade & that would have meshed with the system/chemistry we have going right now?

There is the Gerald Wallace rumor out there right now & if we could get him for Przy + Williams/Babbit/Mills then I'd do that. However, I'd think Wallace would probably want to start and that might throw a wrench in our chemistry.
 
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could someone please remind me of all the interdivisional trades made where an All NBA player was swapped for spare parts? I know there must be many examples of this because of how outraged some of our smartest posters are at management for not capitalizing on DWill's availability, but for some reason those examples are escaping my mind. Thanks

STOMP
 
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So, I guess that wasn't Cho I saw at Jiggles today. I wondered why he looked so shocked when I yelled at him to stop sticking singles in G-strings and get back to work...
 
maxiep said:
So, I guess that wasn't Cho I saw at Jiggles today. I wondered why he looked so shocked when I yelled at him to stop sticking singles in G-strings and get back to work...
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No, he was shocked because he was stuffing singles into your g-string when you said it.
 
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