Brigitte Gabriel = Fantastic!!!!

[TradeNurkicNow]

Had she not went on her tin foil rant about "political correctness", I would've agreed with her. I'm so tired of people using that as a crutch for allowing themselves to act, and be ass clowns.

Her point about the peaceful majority being irrelevant in all those situations is poignant. Her claim that approximately 200 million Muslims are "extremists," who are trying to destroy Western civilization is bullshit. If she's going to spout claims like that, she has to qualify what she means by extremist, otherwise it's just nonsense.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

As long as they refuse to confront evil in their own religion, they are not.

President Bush had it right when he said, "You're either with us or against us". If you don't like what is being done in the name of your religion, then stand up against it. For too long, too many Christians tolerated the Ku Klux Klan's actions done in the name of Christ. Eventually, good Christians stood up and marginalized them. Muslims have to confront the evil that is being done in the name of Mohammed and Allah. Only when enough of them do so, will that "peaceful majority" be relevant.

Ugh. For the millionth time: what do you expect them to do?

What concerns me is that I don't think the majority of Muslims across North Africa and the Middle East disagree with either the goals or methods of the jihadists.

Well good thing your concerns have no basis in reality, so sleep tight.

Also: it's incorrect to use "jihadist" here. Unless you mean any Muslim who is on jihad, which if you do, lol.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Mags is a dick!

We already knew that. Nice guys don't score hot blondes!

 

[oldmangrouch]

No this is cute

Talk about double standards.....The TimberTrolls were banned for posting pics of Oden's privates, but nobody cares when Mags posts pussy pics!

 

[magnifier661]

Talk about double standards.....The TimberTrolls were banned for posting pics of Oden's privates, but nobody cares when Mags posts pussy pics!

Hahahahha

 

[oldmangrouch]

Dang Son! You are rather rude for boy that doesn't even understand what bettering the country is. Repealing Obamacare is bettering the country. Every citizen including you should be utterly appalled by ineptitude of this Commander in Chief. Benghazi is not over and I doubt it will be the last example of ineptitude he leaves as his legacy, moving the bar ever lower for the American Presidency.

No offense, but if you believe the death of 3 Americans in Benghazi was some kind of historical event, you have an odd view of the world.

In the grand scheme of things, what happened in Benghazi is no more important than the recent murder of American Journalists. I flatly reject the notion that the life of a state department employee is somehow exponentially more important than the life of a journalist or military man.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The IRA nullifying Christianity on Line One, sir...

That's an interesting analogy. I would offer one caveat: I once heard an interesting quote from a Moslem. The gist of it was that he was a Moslem who just happened to be born in Kuwait...not a Kuwaitii who happened to be Moslem. That doesn't sound like something a member of the IRA would have said. The Irish independence/unification movements were always about more than just religion.

 

[Minstrel]

That's an interesting analogy. I would offer one caveat: I once heard an interesting quote from a Moslem. The gist of it was that he was a Moslem who just happened to be born in Kuwait...not a Kuwaitii who happened to be Moslem. That doesn't sound like something a member of the IRA would have said. The Irish independence/unification movements were always about more than just religion.

In both cases, though, it's a willingness to do violence for one's "nation." The IRA for a unified and independent nation of Ireland and Muslim extremists for a unified nation of Islam. That, at least, is my rough understanding...I don't have any expert knowledge of what Muslim extremists (or "jihadists" want) so I could be way off.

hoojacks could probably speak more to that.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

In both cases, though, it's a willingness to do violence for one's "nation." The IRA for a unified and independent nation of Ireland and Muslim extremists for a unified nation of Islam. That, at least, is my rough understanding...I don't have any expert knowledge of what Muslim extremists (or "jihadists" want) so I could be way off.

hoojacks could probably speak more to that.

my knowledge of the subject is the result of cloistered ivory tower unrealistic grad school for nonacademic millennial diaper babies.

maxiep is the best person to ask about Muslims

 

[magnifier661]

my knowledge of the subject is the result of cloistered ivory tower unrealistic grad school for nonacademic millennial diaper babies.

maxiep is the best person to ask about Muslims

I think the issue is that the Muslim religion orders those in that faith to never support any nation against "The Nation of Islam".

The jihadist are trying to make this a religious war and placing anyone against them to be against Islam. So even the moderate peaceful Muslims are forbid to intervene. Saddam tried to do this, but people knew his intentions, especially when he warred against other Muslim countries.

This ISIS group aren't of this mold. They are just taking the entire Quran literally, even if it means to murder innocent people.

 

[MarAzul]

No offense, but if you believe the death of 3 Americans in Benghazi was some kind of historical event, you have an odd view of the world.

In the grand scheme of things, what happened in Benghazi is no more important than the recent murder of American Journalists. I flatly reject the notion that the life of a state department employee is somehow exponentially more important than the life of a journalist or military man.

You didn't give that much thought did you? Benghazi was caused by ineptitude of the Commander in Chief and a failure on his part to understand what his people are facing.
In the case of the Journalist, the Commander in Chief had no hand in the event. This as nothing to do with the value of different people.

 

[oldmangrouch]

You didn't give that much thought did you? Benghazi was caused by ineptitude of the Commander in Chief and a failure on his part to understand what his people are facing.
In the case of the Journalist, the Commander in Chief had no hand in the event. This as nothing to do with the value of different people.

Speaking of thinking things through....you do understand that the only way to prevent what happened in Libya is to close all our embassies in countries where there is unrest? As long as they keep money in banks, there will be bank robberies. As long as embassies exist, there is a risk they will be targeted by terrorists.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Speaking of thinking things through....you do understand that the only way to prevent what happened in Libya is to close all our embassies in countries where there is unrest? As long as they keep money in banks, there will be bank robberies. As long as embassies exist, there is a risk they will be targeted by terrorists.

Hope you dont mind if I butt in here....

You have a great point.

Take into consideration how many embassies had done just that in Libya. There had been a loty of warnings that trouble was brewing and There had been requests to reinforce the guards.

But none of this fit the rhetoric that oboma was touting..remember "Osama is dead and GM is alive" "We have Al queda on the run"

What I most object to is the bull shit excuses this administration put forth as to being the cause, just to not contradict the party line. Sticking to that video story for weeks even after it was apparent that it was a lie.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I think the issue is that the Muslim religion orders those in that faith to never support any nation against "The Nation of Islam".

I don't think that's the issue, because that's not a real thing.

The jihadist are trying to make this a religious war and placing anyone against them to be against Islam. So even the moderate peaceful Muslims are forbid to intervene. Saddam tried to do this, but people knew his intentions, especially when he warred against other Muslim countries.

What "jihadists" are you talking about?

This ISIS group aren't of this mold. They are just taking the entire Quran literally, even if it means to murder innocent people.

They are most certainly not taking the entire Quran literally.

 

[magnifier661]

I don't think that's the issue, because that's not a real thing.

Are you saying it doesn't say that in the Quran?

What "jihadists" are you talking about?

ISIS is one

They are most certainly not taking the entire Quran literally.

How so?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Are you saying it doesn't say that in the Quran?

Nope, I'm saying that "the Muslim religion" doesn't "order" Muslims to "never support any nation against "The Nation of Islam"." Islam isn't an animate thing that can give orders; it is a religion.

And if you want to give some evidence to your claim, great. Go ahead and bring in the verse that you're referring to and I'd be happy to talk about that.

ISIS is one

I thought you say ISIS wasn't "of the mold" of ... you know what? Nevermind. I probably just misunderstood what you were trying to say.

How so?

I would ask you the same thing since you made the initial claim. How is ISIS following the Quran literally?

 

[magnifier661]

Nope, I'm saying that "the Muslim religion" doesn't "order" Muslims to "never support any nation against "The Nation of Islam"." Islam isn't an animate thing that can give orders; it is a religion.

And if you want to give some evidence to your claim, great. Go ahead and bring in the verse that you're referring to and I'd be happy to talk about that.



I thought you say ISIS wasn't "of the mold" of ... you know what? Nevermind. I probably just misunderstood what you were trying to say.



I would ask you the same thing since you made the initial claim. How is ISIS following the Quran literally?

I'll just sum it up in this link... I'll provide a few verses it mentioned, but there are tons of them.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

From the Hadith

Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

Muslim (20:4645) - "...He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa'id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!"

So you tell me bro...

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

I'll just sum it up in this link... I'll provide a few verses it mentioned, but there are tons of them.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-violence.htm





From the Hadith





So you tell me bro...

Oh, I was unaware "the entire Quran" consists of just two verses.

Sorry, I'm not going to tell you. You have to figure it out for yourself.

 

[magnifier661]

Oh, I was unaware "the entire Quran" consists of just two verses.

Sorry, I'm not going to tell you. You have to figure it out for yourself.

Bro, I gave you the link that has more than a hundred verses. I just picked a few to show.

 

[Further]

I can't wait till the day we (the vast majority) say no to any and all religion. Honestly, believe in god or whatever floats your boat, but almost every religion gets bastardized over time and used by perverse people in perverse ways.

 

[magnifier661]

I can't wait till the day we (the vast majority) say no to any and all religion. Honestly, believe in god or whatever floats your boat, but almost every religion gets bastardized over time and used by perverse people in perverse ways.

That's the pain when people go all in emotionally. That can be applied for anything really. Look how Julius defends the democrats. Or maybe those in love.

Or as most of us.... Blazer fandom!!!

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

Bro, I gave you the link that has more than a hundred verses. I just picked a few to show.

Yes, the Quran does have hundreds of verses, and probably even more than what is on thereligionofpeace.com. We're getting somewhere.

So what's your point?

 

[magnifier661]

Yes, the Quran does have hundreds of verses, and probably even more than what is on thereligionofpeace.com. We're getting somewhere.

So what's your point?

You didn't read my point? Were you just being defensive?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

You didn't read my point? Were you just being defensive?

No, I was just hoping you'd reformulate a better one. I guess we'll go with the original.

So, I fail to see how you've provided evidence that ISIS takes the entire Quran literally.

 

[magnifier661]

No, I was just hoping you'd reformulate a better one. I guess we'll go with the original.

So, I fail to see how you've provided evidence that ISIS takes the entire Quran literally.

This reminds of the scene in zoolander, where Derek was told the details on how models assassinate government leaders. Then he just asked "so why are models assassins!"

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

This reminds of the scene in zoolander, where Derek was told the details on how models assassinate government leaders. Then he just asked "so why are models assassins!"

This reminds me of many threads, where it's difficult to follow your train of thought, much less interact with it.

But Zoolander was hilarious.

 

[Further]

That's the pain when people go all in emotionally. That can be applied for anything really. Look how Julius defends the democrats. Or maybe those in love.

Or as most of us.... Blazer fandom!!!

But most of us are willing to go only so far in the name of democrats or the blazers. Religion for some reason can too easily be used to push people kill for their religion. It's not that people don't kill for other reasons too, we all know there are plenty of reasons from oil to pride and everywhere secular too, but my point is that religion is just too commonly bastardized into a reason to kill. I truly believe this world, especially the 1st world nations, are moving away from strong allegiance to religions. I hope this trend ramps up and spreads everywhere.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Just as an aside:

I may be mistaken, but I was under the impression that the Quran/Koran was not the only Moslem "holy" book, and not the one that is the source of the current lunacy. Something about a later book by a descendant of Mohammed that creatively interprets the Koran to crank up Islamic militancy??

 

[magnifier661]

This reminds me of many threads, where it's difficult to follow your train of thought, much less interact with it.

But Zoolander was hilarious.

It was funny!!! One of my favorite Comedies!

I will make one thing clear. I am not knowledgable about Muslim faith. So those quotes of the Quran are just what I read from other interpretations. So ISIS is taking, "chopping the heads off of infidels" literally. Unless that isn't the translation

 

[magnifier661]

But most of us are willing to go only so far in the name of democrats or the blazers. Religion for some reason can too easily be used to push people kill for their religion. It's not that people don't kill for other reasons too, we all know there are plenty of reasons from oil to pride and everywhere secular too, but my point is that religion is just too commonly bastardized into a reason to kill. I truly believe this world, especially the 1st world nations, are moving away from strong allegiance to religions. I hope this trend ramps up and spreads everywhere.

Well Blazer fans won't kill, but soccer fans have been extremists. In fact, England have a lot of death related fighting of rival fans. I remember in Brazil, there was a ref that was tore from limb from limb, then the head was put on a stick because he stabbed a player.

And politics have killed a ton of people. Look no further than the communist party or nazism.